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Mon 11/12/07


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     1. 06:18 AM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG)
     2. 06:50 AM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (BobsV35B@aol.com)
     3. 09:40 AM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (flyv35b)
     4. 11:40 AM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (BobsV35B@aol.com)
     5. 01:44 PM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (village pizza)
     6. 01:57 PM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (flyv35b)
     7. 02:42 PM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (BobsV35B@aol.com)
     8. 04:25 PM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (flyv35b)
     9. 07:55 PM - Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:18:47 AM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    A friend of mine, restoring a B model Bonanza, split his nose bowl horizontally at the bottom of the Air inlets. He then fabricated a strong system that reattaches it. This way he could get the engine in and out easier. Having said that he is about the best mechanic I know. He has the engineering data worked up and has been told that approval should be no problem. It added a small amout of weight. Blue Skies, Steve 1948 Straight 35 San Antonio ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Vandegrift <citabriapilot@comcast.net> Subject: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement > <citabriapilot@comcast.net> > > > Anyone have any experience or information on changing the nose > bowl > on a J35. Any one have a J 35 nose bowl for sale. > Thanks Bob > > > >


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    Time: 06:50:07 AM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    Good Morning Steve, It appears that your friend is reinventing the wheel! Beech splits the nose bowl cowl on their factory turbocharged airplanes for the same reason. They do it about in the middle of the bug eyes. I would tend to duplicate what Beech has done if I wanted to split mine. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/12/2007 8:19:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil writes: --> Beech-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> A friend of mine, restoring a B model Bonanza, split his nose bowl horizontally at the bottom of the Air inlets. He then fabricated a strong system that reattaches it. This way he could get the engine in and out easier. Having said that he is about the best mechanic I know. He has the engineering data worked up and has been told that approval should be no problem. It added a small amount of weight. Blue Skies, Steve 1948 Straight 35 San Antonio


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    Time: 09:40:27 AM PST US
    From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    The nosebowl on my V35B has a center section that is riveted to the remaind er using doubler plates. I think this is probably the same on all models w ith the IO-520 engine. It would be quite easy to drill out the rivets, whi ch would allow lifting the engine almost straight upwards instead of the ex treme tilting that is now required. The rivets could be replaced with nutp lates and screws which would allow for future removal of the top nosebowl p iece. This is how the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken. Of cour se this would require a field approval and 337 form as this probably goes b eyond what constitutes a minor modification. I'm really surprised that som eone has not obtained a multiple STC for this modification. Cliff Hanson A&P/IA ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com To: beech-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement Good Morning Steve, It appears that your friend is reinventing the wheel! Beech splits the nose bowl cowl on their factory turbocharged airplanes f or the same reason. They do it about in the middle of the bug eyes. I would tend to duplicate what Beech has done if I wanted to split mine. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/12/2007 8:19:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, steven. d.dortch@us.army.mil writes: d.dortch@us.army.mil> A friend of mine, restoring a B model Bonanza, split his nose bowl hori zontally at the bottom of the Air inlets. He then fabricated a strong syste m that reattaches it. This way he could get the engine in and out easier. Having said that he is about the best mechanic I know. He has the engin eering data worked up and has been told that approval should be no problem. It added a small amount of weight. Blue Skies, Steve 1948 Straight 35 San Antonio --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- =5F-============================================================ =5F-= =5F-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- =5F-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gif ts!) =5F-= =5F-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on =5F-= the Cont ribution link below to find out more about =5F-= this year's Terrific Free In centive Gifts! =5F-= =5F-= List Contribution Web Site: =5F-= =5F-= --> http://www.m atronics.com/contribution =5F-= =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F-= =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F-= =5F-======================================= ===================== =5F-= - The Beech-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matron ics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as L ist Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ , =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator=3FBeech-List =5F-======================================================== ==== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-==================== ======================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 07 9:21 AM --


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    Time: 11:40:07 AM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    Good Afternoon Cliff, Sounds like you have one of the old style nose bowls that were modified at the factory to accommodate the canted engine starting with the S35. Once they ran out of the old ones, that upper section was no longer used and the nose bowl was once again a one piece item with the exception I mentioned earlier. In those factory turbocharged airplanes, they split the nose bowl on each side about half way from the top to the bottom of the air inlets. The flange was riveted to one half and screwed to the other to provide easy removal for engine changes.. Once again, why reinvent the wheel? Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:41:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, flyv35b@m inetfiber.com writes: The nose bowl on my V35B has a center section that is riveted to the remainder using doubler plates. I think this is probably the same on all models with the IO-520 engine. It would be quite easy to drill out the rivets, which would allow lifting the engine almost straight upwards instead of the extreme tilting that is now required. The rivets could be replaced with nutplates and screws which would allow for future removal of the top nosebowl piece. This is how the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken. Of course this would require a field approval and 337 form as this probably goes beyond what constitutes a minor modification. I'm really surprised that someone has not obtained a multiple STC for this modification. Cliff Hanson A&P/IA


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    Time: 01:44:21 PM PST US
    From: village pizza <village_pizza@vermontel.net>
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    Old Bob, Your Mail is coming in from Matronics, and it looks like html, We are using beech-owners@beechcraft.org, Now I am all confused!!! :-( , Kostas BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > Good Afternoon Cliff, > Sounds like you have one of the old style nose bowls that were > modified at the factory to accommodate the canted engine starting with > the S35. > Once they ran out of the old ones, that upper section was no longer > used and the nose bowl was once again a one piece item with the > exception I mentioned earlier. In those factory turbocharged > airplanes, they split the nose bowl on each side about half way from > the top to the bottom of the air inlets. The flange was riveted to one > half and screwed to the other to provide easy removal for engine > changes.. > Once again, why reinvent the wheel? > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8503 > In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:41:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, > flyv35b@minetfiber.com writes: > > *The nose bowl on my V35B has a center section that is riveted to > the remainder using doubler plates. I think this is probably the > same on all models with the IO-520 engine. It would be quite easy > to drill out the rivets, which would allow lifting the engine > almost straight upwards instead of the extreme tilting that is now > required. The rivets could be replaced with nutplates and screws > which would allow for future removal of the top nosebowl piece. > This is how the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken. Of > course this would require a field approval and 337 form as this > probably goes beyond what constitutes a minor modification. I'm > really surprised that someone has not obtained a multiple STC for > this modification.* > ** > *Cliff Hanson A&P/IA* > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > > > * -- -?-FLY-?- Kostas V35A N44CM Springfield VT.


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    Time: 01:57:15 PM PST US
    From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    Hi Bob, What is your opinion then of modifying the nose bowl to use nut-plates for easy removal like the factory=3F Couldn't that be a minor modification=3F Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com To: beech-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement Good Afternoon Cliff, Sounds like you have one of the old style nose bowls that were modified a t the factory to accommodate the canted engine starting with the S35. Once they ran out of the old ones, that upper section was no longer used and the nose bowl was once again a one piece item with the exception I ment ioned earlier. In those factory turbocharged airplanes, they split the nose bowl on each side about half way from the top to the bottom of the air inl ets. The flange was riveted to one half and screwed to the other to provide easy removal for engine changes.. Once again, why reinvent the wheel=3F Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:41:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, flyv35 b@minetfiber.com writes: The nose bowl on my V35B has a center section that is riveted to the re mainder using doubler plates. I think this is probably the same on all mod els with the IO-520 engine. It would be quite easy to drill out the rivets , which would allow lifting the engine almost straight upwards instead of t he extreme tilting that is now required. The rivets could be replaced with nutplates and screws which would allow for future removal of the top noseb owl piece. This is how the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken. Of course this would require a field approval and 337 form as this probably g oes beyond what constitutes a minor modification. I'm really surprised tha t someone has not obtained a multiple STC for this modification. Cliff Hanson A&P/IA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- =5F-=========================================================== =5F- =5F-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- =5F-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) =5F- =5F-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on =5F-= the Contribution link below to find out more about =5F-= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! =5F- =5F-= List Contribution Web Site: =5F- =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F- =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F- =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Beech-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FBeech-List =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 007 12:56 PM --


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    Time: 02:42:18 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    Hi Cliff, I think I would consider doing it as a minor alteration on my own airplane, but I am not so sure I would want to send one out of the shop that way. There are some fights I don't mind fighting and others where I would sooner not compete! Gotta think on that one some more. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/12/2007 3:58:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, flyv35b@minetfiber.com writes: Hi Bob, What is your opinion then of modifying the nose bowl to use nut-plates for easy removal like the factory? Couldn't that be a minor modification? Cliff


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    Time: 04:25:42 PM PST US
    From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    That's pretty much the way I feel about it. I just thought that if the fac tory did that very thing on essentially the same model plane and part (with the IO-520 engine), you could reason (and argue if need be) that it was a minor mod. Thanks for your input. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com To: beech-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement Hi Cliff, I think I would consider doing it as a minor alteration on my own airplan e, but I am not so sure I would want to send one out of the shop that way. There are some fights I don't mind fighting and others where I would soon er not compete! Gotta think on that one some more. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 11/12/2007 3:58:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, flyv35b @minetfiber.com writes: Hi Bob, What is your opinion then of modifying the nose bowl to use nut-plates for easy removal like the factory=3F Couldn't that be a minor modification=3F Cliff --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's new a =5F-=========================================================== =5F- =5F-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- =5F-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) =5F- =5F-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on =5F-= the Contribution link below to find out more about =5F-= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! =5F- =5F-= List Contribution Web Site: =5F- =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F- =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F- =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Beech-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FBeech-List =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 007 12:56 PM --


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    Time: 07:55:11 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
    OK, OK When I called my buddy up he told me that he modeled his mod on the later model. Said it sure made it easier putting the engine in. I thot this list was dead. Take a little trip to the middle east and a lot of things change. Where else are Bonanza discussions going on? I just moved mine to Boerne Stage Airport NW of San Antonio. Waiting on a hanger. Blue Skeis, Steve D 48 Straight 35 ----- Original Message ----- From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement > That's pretty much the way I feel about it. I just thought that > if the factory did that very thing on essentially the same model > plane and part (with the IO-520 engine), you could reason (and > argue if need be) that it was a minor mod. > > Thanks for your input. > > Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BobsV35B@aol.com > To: beech-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement > > > Hi Cliff, > > I think I would consider doing it as a minor alteration on my > own airplane, but I am not so sure I would want to send one out of > the shop that way. > > There are some fights I don't mind fighting and others where I > would sooner not compete! > > Gotta think on that one some more. > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8503 > > In a message dated 11/12/2007 3:58:17 P.M. Central Standard > Time, flyv35b@minetfiber.com writes: > Hi Bob, > > What is your opinion then of modifying the nose bowl to use > nut-plates for easy removal like the factory? Couldn't that be a > minor modification? > > Cliff > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > See what's new a > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > 007 12:56 PM > > > -- >




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