---------------------------------------------------------- Cessna-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/23/02: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:53 AM - Service Bulletins VS AD's (John Myers) 2. 07:19 AM - Re: Service Bulletins VS AD's (Ron Bell) 3. 03:32 PM - Re: Service Bulletins VS AD's (TVConrad@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:39 AM PST US From: John Myers Subject: Cessna-List: Service Bulletins VS AD's --> Cessna-List message posted by: John Myers Help! Are any of you Cessna guys operating under part 91 having trouble with A&P's or IA's insisting that Service Bulletins are mandatory for an Annual inspection. I was always under the impression that SEB's were only mandatory by FAA if they are referenced by an AD unless operating under part 135. Lately Cessna has been placing a statement in the SEB's stating it is a revision to the maintenance manual and therefore mandatory for airworthiness. I suppose that would make it mandatory if the annual inspection is done IAW Service manuals but if done IAW AC43.13 then it shouldn't be a legal requirement. I always thought that the Service manuals were not FAA "Approved" documents but used as reference for a maintenance and repair guide. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to get out of making my aircraft safe and plan on performing any SEB that appears to be necessary and not just a way of selling parts. The service bulletin that I am concerned about is the SEB95-3R1A that affects all Cessna Single engine Flap systems. I think the Cardinal and Cantilever wing 210 are exempt from the SEB but almost all other SE Cessna's are subject. I have already added the SEB referenced wear washers but don't like the idea of removing both flaps again and doing a die penetrant test on the rails that had practically no wear when I added the wear washers. Thanks to all that weigh in on this. If anyone has specific answers from FAA, I would appreciate a response either on list of off. Thanks. John M ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:48 AM PST US From: "Ron Bell" Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Service Bulletins VS AD's --> Cessna-List message posted by: "Ron Bell" John, Service bulletins are not mandatory, regardless of what Cessna says. Period. If you IA has a problem with that, have him show you the documentation. There is a write-up on this very subject on the CPA web site. Ron Bell, PP-ASEL-IA C-172 N62530 based at KOFP ________________ \ [__] / \(o)/ {}/ \{} ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Myers" Subject: Cessna-List: Service Bulletins VS AD's > --> Cessna-List message posted by: John Myers > > Help! > Are any of you Cessna guys operating under part 91 having trouble with > A&P's or IA's insisting that Service Bulletins are mandatory for an Annual > inspection. I was always under the impression that SEB's were only > mandatory by FAA if they are referenced by an AD unless operating under > part 135. Lately Cessna has been placing a statement in the SEB's stating > it is a revision to the maintenance manual and therefore mandatory for > airworthiness. I suppose that would make it mandatory if the annual > inspection is done IAW Service manuals but if done IAW AC43.13 then it > shouldn't be a legal requirement. > I always thought that the Service manuals were not FAA "Approved" documents > but used as reference for a maintenance and repair guide. > Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to get out of making my aircraft safe > and plan on performing any SEB that appears to be necessary and not just a > way of selling parts. > The service bulletin that I am concerned about is the SEB95-3R1A that > affects all Cessna Single engine Flap systems. I think the Cardinal and > Cantilever wing 210 are exempt from the SEB but almost all other SE > Cessna's are subject. > I have already added the SEB referenced wear washers but don't like the > idea of removing both flaps again and doing a die penetrant test on the > rails that had practically no wear when I added the wear washers. > Thanks to all that weigh in on this. If anyone has specific answers from > FAA, I would appreciate a response either on list of off. Thanks. > > John M > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:54 PM PST US From: TVConrad@aol.com Subject: Re: Cessna-List: Service Bulletins VS AD's --> Cessna-List message posted by: TVConrad@aol.com John, Your IA doesn't know what he is doing. Invite him to the local FSDO for a meeting to discuss SB's with a maintenance inspector and watch him do the back stroke. Cessna's manuals have never been approved data. They are a guide line for doing the maintenance. As an IA, I find it alittle amusing that cessna is threating their owners with SB's to protect themselves from law suits. If your aircraft is over 18 years old, they can't be sued. Do yourself a favor, find a mechanic / IA that has some balls and knows the regs.