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| Subject:  | butane/propane fuel cylinders | 
      
      --> Cessna-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
      
      <<Been to OSH many times in 172 as high as 10K MSL w/o any problems carrying
      full
      16 oz bottles of propane.  They do have an over pressure relief but overall
      these
      tanks are low pressure.  Unlike scuba tanks which start at sea level with
      4K psi so you want them empty when your depart.>>
      
      The difference in atomospheric pressure going from sea level to 10,000 feet
      is only about 5psi.  Butane exists at fairly low pressure and propane is at
      maybe 100 psi at about 100 degrees F.  In either case the tanks are
      certainly designed with far higher burst pressure margin than 5 psi.  In
      fact, the pressure in the tanks will vary dramatically with temperature and
      going to altitude will expose the tank to much lower pressures than leaving
      it out in the sun, which it is designed to tolerate.  I wouldn't worry about
      it at all, but I would use normal precautions in carrying fuel in the
      passenger compartment.
      
      The comment about scuba tanks is puzzling as they typically are pressurized
      to a few thousand psi and the tanks are certified to several times that.  An
      extra 5 psi out of 5,000 is only 0.1% extra pressure.  That same change in
      pressure can be obtained by increasing the temperature of the tank only 0.5
      degrees F!  I wouldn't even think about taking the air out of a scuba tank
      except if you were worried about breaking off the valve in a crash or when
      flailing about in turbulence, creating missile.  If the relief valve popped
      (no more likely than when strapped to your back) it would make a lot of
      noise.  I think airlines like them empty just because (the same reason they
      don't like you using your GPS in flight).
      
      Gary Casey
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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