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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Introduction (Buddy Windham)
2. 04:37 AM - Questions regarding the 680FL (ProgSearch@aol.com)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Fran Myers)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: Introduction (Bow)
5. 07:03 AM - Re: Introduction (Barry Collman)
6. 10:09 AM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Introduction (Howard Windham)
8. 03:28 PM - Re: Introduction (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
9. 03:37 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
10. 03:43 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
11. 06:09 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (CloudCraft@aol.com)
12. 10:29 PM - Hi, my name is Barry.... (Barry Hancock)
13. 10:30 PM - Re: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Barry Hancock)
14. 11:04 PM - New, NEW List Digest Format... (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Buddy Windham <bw_cycon@yahoo.com>
Hey there you old grey haired fart,
Jim can you advise what true airspeeds, power setting,
fuel flow your f model achieves. If you have a gps in
the ship then the ground speed at altitude would be
nice. I'm looking for more speed than my e model.
Please advise plus's and minus's of your f model.
Thanks a lot. See you in Ohio next year.
--- Jim Crunkleton <crunk12@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Jim Crunkleton
> <crunk12@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hi All,
> My name is Jim Crunkleton.
> I'm the guy that owns two Aero Commanders. A 520
> with Cliff Atkins and a
> 560F with Joe Shepherd, and I am currently finishing
> a RV-8. ( It will
> fly on Thursday....I just don't know which one)
> Most of my time is in multi-engine jets, but I
> started life as a "Flap".
> (Thats a 'Flipping Light Airplane Pilot, as opposed
> to a "Pimp", which
> is a "Pompous, Incompetent, Military Pilot". :-) I
> spent 25 years at
> Eastern Airlines, and the last 7 at ValuJet/AirTran
> Airlines. (Only 2
> years six monthes to go!)
> After 40 years as a professional pilot ( 37 1/2
> years as a part 121
> pilot) I've amassed between 20 and 30 thousand hours
> in all types of
> aircraft. I don't really know the exact figure, but
> then again, I don't
> really care. I could list all of the different
> aircraft types I've
> flown, but Joe Shepherd and Cliff Atkins would just
> show me up, as
> between the two of them, they've probably flown
> every model aircraft
> (civilian) thats ever been built!
> I live in an airplane hangar in Senoia, GA. with my
> beautiful bride, Ms.
> Donna, We are current members, in good standing, of
> the 'Locust Wing" of
> the TCFG. (Check with Milt, Chris S., Joe, and Cliff
> for the details.)
> I flew my first Commander at the tender age of 18 (
> a 520 serial # 147)
> and have been enamored with them ever since.
> Thanks to Chris Schuermann, I.ve been able to meet
> and talk with other
> Commander enthusiasts, most recently at the latest
> Commander gathering
> at Columbia. (Thank you Jim Bob for a great
> occasion.)
> Crunk (The old gray-haired fart)
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=====
Buddy Windham
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: ProgSearch@aol.com
Hi Listers,
Was hoping to draw upon your vast knowledge of Commanders. Anyone have any
idea how much it cost to operate a 680FL per hour. I have been told that the
maint. cost on a 680FL is about three times what it is on a 500B. I have been
told that the supercharged 540 is just a problem waiting to happen. I have
been told to plan on working three hours for every hour it is flown. As you
can see the gentleman was not kind to the airplane or its engine. Any 680FL
owners care to elaborate?
I was told by one freight operator that they replaced more cylinders on a two
680FL's in a year than they replaced on 30 500B's. Anyone had similar
experiences?
I was also told about a freight 680FL that took off from Wichita with no
freight and half fuel. He lost an engine just after rotating and managed to
get the engine feathered. However, he was only able to get about 100 fpm
after cleaning the aircraft up. He landed without incident. The pilot stated
that had he been at gross weight he didn't believe he would have gained any
altitude. I thought there was a design performance criteria that required
this bird to get at least 130 fpm single engine at gross weight at 5000 ft
PSA?
I am asking because I am considering the purchase of a few 680FL's to use in
a 135 operation. I welcome all your advice, opinions, and experiences.
Kevin Coons
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| Subject: | Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Fran Myers" <fmyers@attbi.com>
I don't know about the rest, but the regs say 50' per minute climb at
5000'
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> Jim can you advise what true airspeeds, power setting,
> fuel flow your f model achieves. If you have a gps in
> the ship then the ground speed at altitude would be
> nice. I'm looking for more speed than my e model.
> Please advise plus's and minus's of your f model.
> Thanks a lot. See you in Ohio next year.
I smell a good deal coming on a "cream puff" 560E in Michigan.
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
If he sells the 560E, I bet he buys it back at auction!!!!!!!!!!
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Introduction
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
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| > Jim can you advise what true airspeeds, power setting,
| > fuel flow your f model achieves. If you have a gps in
| > the ship then the ground speed at altitude would be
| > nice. I'm looking for more speed than my e model.
| > Please advise plus's and minus's of your f model.
| > Thanks a lot. See you in Ohio next year.
|
|
| I smell a good deal coming on a "cream puff" 560E in Michigan.
|
| bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/01/02 04:38:00 Pacific Standard Time,
ProgSearch@aol.com writes:
> I thought there was a design performance criteria that required
> this bird to get at least 130 fpm single engine at gross weight at 5000 ft
> PSA?
>
> I am asking because I am considering the purchase of a few 680FL's to use
> in
> a 135 operation. I welcome all your advice, opinions, and experiences.
>
Kevin,
Lots to say on this topic, little of it conclusive. First off, there's a few
FARs getting scrambled here. The 130'/nm alludes to second segment climb
gradient required of FAR 25 (transport category) aircraft.
You need to study FAR 23.66, 23.67, 23.68 for all the mind-numbing
requirements. I'll distill it down: a recip twin over 6000 lbs needs a
"positive rate of climb" at 5000' standard altitude. 50' per minute is a
pubic hair more than level flight and thus "positive"...
The fact that one Freighter claimed they replaced cylinders at a frequent
interval and one of those pilots claimed substandard performance under One
Engine Inoperative conditions suggests that beast had cylinders burning fuel
but not making power.
Cost of operation? I have no clue as I haven't operated an -FL for longer
than the statute of limitations for most crimes, but here is the down side:
IN MY OPINION you are locked into one engine shop because they have the
knowledge, parts for gear boxes and the only all-mighty test bench for the
Simmonds fuel injection system.
Fuel flow at 65% (+/-) power is going to be 45 gph, way more than an AC500B.
But ...
Short of a turbine powered airplane, I don't think you're going to find the
cabin volume and lift ability in any other plane, except perhaps an even more
rare Beech QueenAir 80, but that uses a Simmonds fuel unit and does not have
Commander systems -- or a Cessna 404. (And the wings are in the wrong place
on both of those products)
Airframe maintenance should not be more than any other model Commander.
Engine maintenance will have the gear box and the Simmonds as additional
costs.
Fuel flow on the IGSO-540 is a worthy topic. I (used to) teach lean-of-peak
operation, per Lycoming's own graphs. I know that Suburban Airlines came to
the conclusion that this engine was built for a much higher lead content fuel
than we have today and went to 150 degrees rich of peak for valve guide
lubrication to compensate for low lead fuel.
They were the fleet operator and I have to salute their experience.
We have several members of this email net who operate the IGSO-540 so I hope
they'll pitch in with their current experience.
Moe? Capn' Sprayberry? Ricardo?
Is your FAR 135 use of the 680FL for freight or pax?
Wing Commander Gordon
PS: This is the current version of FAR 23. I don't have the 1960s version
handy, which would apply to the 680FL's type certificate.
=A7 23.67 Climb: One engine inoperative.
. (b) For normal, utility, and acrobatic category reciprocating
engine-powered airplanes of more than 6,000 pounds maximum weight, and
turbine engine-powered airplanes in the normal, utility, and acrobatic
category --
(1) The steady gradient of climb at an altitude of 400 feet above the takeoff
must be measurably positive with the --
(i) Critical engine inoperative and its propeller in the minimum drag
position;
(ii) Remaining engine(s) at takeoff power;
(iii) Landing gear retracted;
(iv) Wing flaps in the takeoff position(s); and
(v) Climb speed equal to that achieved at 50 feet in the demonstration of=20=A7
23.53.
(2) The steady gradient of climb must not be less than 0.75 percent at an
altitude of 1,500 feet above the takeoff surface, or landing surface, as
appropriate, with the --
(i) Critical engine inoperative and its propeller in the minimum drag
position;
(ii) Remaining engine(s) at not more than maximum continuous power;
(iii) Landing gear retracted;
(iv) Wing flaps retracted; and
(v) Climb speed not less than 1.2 VS1.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" <bw_cycon@yahoo.com>
Now, now lets not jump the gun yet, a cream puff absolutely, a good deal
is another question.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Introduction
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> Jim can you advise what true airspeeds, power setting,
> fuel flow your f model achieves. If you have a gps in
> the ship then the ground speed at altitude would be
> nice. I'm looking for more speed than my e model.
> Please advise plus's and minus's of your f model.
> Thanks a lot. See you in Ohio next year.
I smell a good deal coming on a "cream puff" 560E in Michigan.
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
----- Original Message ----- I am currently a 747 first officer with Japan
Airlines.
Hi Jay,
Do you know John Deakin..?? He recentl;y retired from Japan Airlines. I
have flown as 1st officer with him numerous times in a Martin 404 (to
several airshows in California and to Oshkosh & back)...really had a blast.
Enjoyed flying with John alot, and learned even more about how to fly "big
airplanes".
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Hello Kevin,
I have owned a 680F now for almost 4 years. I have it maintained by Morris
Kernick (Yoda). Engines were almost "0" time at purchase. Except for some
pesky oil leaks from the top of the engines (through the case halves), the
supercharged 540's have been trouble free for the past 500 hours. (knock on
wood...) I am VERY careful about power settings, shock cooling, and RPM
(don't want to have the props driving the engines...tears up the gears)
Compression has been good at each annual, oil is clean, and Morris says the
engines are in excellent condition.
Good luck.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <ProgSearch@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: ProgSearch@aol.com
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> Was hoping to draw upon your vast knowledge of Commanders. Anyone have any
> idea how much it cost to operate a 680FL per hour. I have been told that
the
> maint. cost on a 680FL is about three times what it is on a 500B. I have
been
> told that the supercharged 540 is just a problem waiting to happen. I have
> been told to plan on working three hours for every hour it is flown. As
you
> can see the gentleman was not kind to the airplane or its engine. Any
680FL
> owners care to elaborate?
>
> I was told by one freight operator that they replaced more cylinders on a
two
> 680FL's in a year than they replaced on 30 500B's. Anyone had similar
> experiences?
>
> I was also told about a freight 680FL that took off from Wichita with no
> freight and half fuel. He lost an engine just after rotating and managed
to
> get the engine feathered. However, he was only able to get about 100 fpm
> after cleaning the aircraft up. He landed without incident. The pilot
stated
> that had he been at gross weight he didn't believe he would have gained
any
> altitude. I thought there was a design performance criteria that required
> this bird to get at least 130 fpm single engine at gross weight at 5000 ft
> PSA?
>
> I am asking because I am considering the purchase of a few 680FL's to use
in
> a 135 operation. I welcome all your advice, opinions, and experiences.
>
> Kevin Coons
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
----- Original Message -----
> idea how much it cost to operate a 680FL per hour. I have been told that
the
Almost forget the most important part...how much does it cost..?? Fuel
consumption at 75% power runs between 50 and 60 gals per hour, depending on
leg length, climb, etc. My annuals have averaged about $3500 to $4000, and
misc maintenance during the year runs about $1,000. Insurance has been
about $3800 per year for me, with about 2,000 hours total time, 500 hrs
multi, instrument, commercial, and CFI.
Hope that helps.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/01/02 15:35:23 Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer@charter.net writes:
> I have owned a 680F now for almost 4 years
I KNEW there was another IGSO-540 guy on the list! How could I forget Randy
Dettmer and his beautiful 680F?
Thanks for posting, Randy.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Hi, my name is Barry.... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
...and I'm a Commanderholic.
Let's see....I was born in Orange, CA in 1968. Yes, that makes me 34
and admittedly still wet behind the ears, especially in this group.
Growing up I lived in about as good a place as possible for a kid to get
hooked on aviation, particularly the military side. Our house was
located just outside the "Browning Corridor" for the Tustin USMC Helo
base. CH-46's and -53's flew over my house every day. We were also
under one of the departure routes of USMCAS El Toro. My dad took me to
an airshow there when I was 7 and that was that. By age 11 I could tell
the difference between a -53 and a -53 Echo based on the sound
signature, and could also tell an F-4 from an A-4 the same way. The F-4
was my favorite military aircraft until El Toro got the second active
duty F/A-18 squadron. I used to drive my car down to the base as a
teenager and park myself at the departure end of the runway and wait for
the jets to come and go.
I was offered a chance to get my PPL by my father when I graduated high
school, but turned it down in favor of a kick butt stereo system. May
seem crazy, but I was pursuing a professional tennis career at the time
and knew I would not be able to maintain my currency. Speaking of
tennis, funny how life is. I was hit by a tennis ball at age 11 and
sustained a torn retina. I was told many times subsequently that the
injury meant I would be unqualified for military flight training,
otherwise I might just be flying Hornets today because, as it turns out,
my injury would not have disqualified me in 1994 when I ended my tennis
career. I did not find that out until two years ago. Oh well.
Growing up I got to ride right seat in the company Cessna 441 and then
Piper Chyenne II. I'll never forget the low-level we did up the coast
of southeast Alaska when I was 18. 50 feet off the water at 200+ knots
was quite an adrenaline rush at the time. Of course I had no
comprehension of fuel burn in those days, so it was just WAAAAY cool! I
always knew I'd get my ticket someday, though. That chance came about
in 1998.
Summer of 1998 I returned to SoCal from Salt Lake City after a 6 year
stint in sports broadcasting to become the marketing director for an
upstart medical device company called Hancock Jaffe Labs. It was a
chance to continue on my dad's legacy (he invented the first biological
artificial heart valve in...1968, a big year for him!) and change to a
more secure profession. As soon as I got settled I visited the local
flight schools and chose Sunrise Aviation out of John Wayne airport
(SNA). Three days before I took my private checkride, I took possession
of a Nanchang CJ-6A that was still in the crate from China. I did not
get into aviation to drive bug smashers, I got into it to fly
warbirds...at the time it was my goal to fly a P-51. After looking at
T-6's and T-34's, I settled on the CJ because, well, it is a better
performing airplane in all ways and costs pennies on the dollar to both
acquire and operate compared to those two.
Three days later, at 43 hours TT, I passed my PPL checkride, and had my
aerobatic and tailwheel endorsement at 60 hours. At 70 hours TT my CJ
was looking like it was going to take years (not months) to restore, so
I bought a very basic flying CJ to keep me entertained while the
"project" was coming together. It was a great move as I have over 300
hours in that thing and my project is still not finished....although we
paint this week and the DAR comes out at the end of next week, so if you
know of anybody looking for a really nice CJ, let me know! .....I
digress.
OK, Barry, enough of this military wannabe stuff, what about
Commanders? Right. Almost 3 years ago now, I met Deborah. We are now
newly weds of just over a year and expecting our first child any day
now. When I first met Deborah it was quite apparent she was the one.
She also has a 7 year old so flitting about the country in a CJ-6A was
not in the cards, unless we hung Alec on the wing and I thought that
might put a strain on our relationship. :) So, I started looking for
a....bug smasher! After a little bit of research, I decided that a
light twin with reasonable SE performance was the ticket. Enter
Commanders. Enter 680E.
I had always loved the look of Commanders, and through Chris' web site
and the commander chat list, I just became more enamored with the old
gals. I took 50% ownership of 680E in May of 2001 and 100% ownership in
June of this year (which is another story for another time because this
is supposed to be an uplifting tale, right?). Ironically as it is, I
just determined that somewhere over the Nevada desert with WCG in my
right seat I recently surpassed 100 hours in Commanders. I love these
airplanes and am not comfortable about carting my family around in
anything else in it's class. Right now 680E is for sale as I don't
anticipate much flying in the next year, but if it sells I next see
myself in a nice 500B. If all works out well with the business, I'd
like to upgrade to a turbo prop - a Turbo Commander, of course!
My flying career in a nutshell is:
SEL, MEL, Instrument 650TT, 350ish in CJ's (100 of that in formation,
50+ acro), 120 ME, 15 in Decathlons, and the rest in <gulp> 172's. I'm
currently working on my Commercial and CFI ratings. Highlights include
a 3-ship *low* pass at the Leeward Ranch Warbird Flyout in front of my
compatriots (little did they know my throttle/prop quadrant froze on
climb out and I had to land at another airport using the mag switch for
power adjustments!), being part of the largest ever Yak/CJ formation at
Sun 'n Fun (24 ships) that same year, and passing my Instrument check
ride!
My aviation dreams:
To fly a Dash-10 Commander for business, a Hawker Sea Fury for pleasure,
and an Su-26 to make my eyeballs pop out of my head. When I retire I
want to fly an Albatross around the world with my family.
My beliefs:
I believe in God the Father, in his son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy
Ghost.
I believe that you cannot properly take care of business outside of the
home unless you first take care of business inside the home.
I believe in conservative ideals and that liberal ideology will ruin
this country, as it has so many others. Liberal ideals are not to be
kept in check, they are to be defeated.
I believe aviation is to be protected as passionately as my conservative
ideals.
I believe that mean people suck. Terrorists suck even more.
I believe that self righteous people are dangerous, especially in
aviation.
I believe that there are good people in aviation, and bad people that
will really get you P.O.'d.
I believe that it's possible to have a good time without having fun, and
vice versa. I try to keep a balance. :)
I believe that it is not possible for me to be the person I am without
my loving wife at my side.
Chuck Yeager is my aviation hero.
Restoring airplanes isn't all it's cracked up to be.
The F-20 was the best plane never built.
The Su-31 is unbeatable in ACM.
Clevelands are better than Goodyears.
Real men fly geared motors.
Grey davis is a communist.
There are those that have and those that will.
I believe that I went to Game 7 of the World Series. Though I still
can't believe the Angels won!
And, I believe that without people like the ones on this list, flying
wouldn't be nearly as much fun.
Well, that's about all I have. Have a nice Holiday season and fly
safely!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| Subject: | Re: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Good on ya, Tom. Hopefully more people will take advantage of this easy
to use feature!
Barry
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| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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