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1. 12:52 AM - Re: Archives Now Available! (Nico van Niekerk)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: Hi, my name is Barry.... (n414c)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Archives Now Available! (Bow)
4. 06:21 AM - Intro (n414c)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: Intro (Bow)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: Intro (Barry Hancock)
7. 07:40 AM - Re: Archives Now Available! (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 07:45 AM - Re: Hi, my name is Barry.... (Barry Hancock)
9. 10:40 AM - Re: Oil Filters (Chris Wall)
10. 10:49 AM - Re: Goodyear Brakes (Chris Wall)
11. 12:08 PM - Re: Goodyear Brakes (MarcioK@aol.com)
12. 12:25 PM - Re: Goodyear Brakes (Chris Wall)
13. 04:08 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (CapnSpray@aol.com)
14. 04:47 PM - Re: 560E vs 500B (CapnSpray@aol.com)
15. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Apendix horse (CapnSpray@aol.com)
16. 05:20 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (n414c)
17. 05:23 PM - Re: 560E vs 500B (n414c)
18. 05:33 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Chris Schuermann)
19. 05:45 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (CloudCraft@aol.com)
20. 06:07 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
21. 06:09 PM - COTM CHALLENGE (Bow)
22. 06:23 PM - Re: COTM CHALLENGE (n414c)
23. 06:27 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Tom Fisher)
24. 06:29 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Tom Fisher)
25. 06:29 PM - Re: 560E vs 500B (CloudCraft@aol.com)
26. 06:31 PM - Re: COTM CHALLENGE (Tom Fisher)
27. 06:35 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Chris Schuermann)
28. 06:37 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (CloudCraft@aol.com)
29. 06:46 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Chris Schuermann)
30. 06:49 PM - Re: COTM CHALLENGE (Bow)
31. 06:49 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Bow)
32. 07:06 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (n414c)
33. 07:09 PM - Re: Questions regarding the 680FL (Tom Fisher)
34. 09:07 PM - Re: 560E vs 500B (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
35. 09:18 PM - Re: 560E vs 500B (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Archives Now Available! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Folks,
If you have ever doubted the search ability of this new list, then type
something in there. Just remember to pick 'commander' from the drop down
box. It's easy, just type in your browser's address area "matronics.com" and
remember to type in:"/searh" after that. I tried it just to check it out.
So, I typed in Seneca and I got all the yakking that we had that had Seneca
in it from back in May 2001 when H. James McConnell wrote about his Pilots
for Christ, till my last cackling about the Seneca's brakes.
I typed in "simmonds" and had all the info ever posted from back in June
2001 when WC Gordon posted an article about the simmonds fuel injection
units till Randy responded to Chris's article on the Simmonds FI only
yesterday.
Thanks, Matt. It's a great resource now. I will try to get the pics up
tomorrow.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Archives Now Available!
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Hello Commander Listers,
>
> Nico was kind enough to upload the Commander List archives all the way
back
> to April of 2001. I wrote some code today to convert them to the format
my
> system uses, stripped out a whole wad of advertisements and other stuff,
> and just finished putting them on line for Searching, Browsing, and
> Downloading!
>
> The two main pages of interest include the Searching Page and the Archive
> page. The URLs for these are respectively:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/search (be sure to select the Commander
archive!)
>
> and
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
> These two links and a number of others can always be found in the List
> Email Trailer below.
>
> Thank you, Nico, for taking the time to save all those messages and for
> getting them to me! Don't forget to email the all the List photos
> to pictures@matronics.com and I'll see that all of them get up on the
> Photoshare page as well!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admin.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, my name is Barry.... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
FAR MORE THAN WE EVER CARED TO KNOW ABOUT BARRY (aka Berry) Hancock
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Hi, my name is Barry....
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> ...and I'm a Commanderholic.
>
> Let's see....I was born in Orange, CA in 1968. Yes, that makes me 34
> and admittedly still wet behind the ears, especially in this group.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Archives Now Available! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
DON'T PUT IN "SUMP"
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Archives Now Available!
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Folks,
> If you have ever doubted the search ability of this new list, then type
> something in there. Just remember to pick 'commander' from the drop down
> box. It's easy, just type in your browser's address area "matronics.com"
and
> remember to type in:"/searh" after that. I tried it just to check it out.
> So, I typed in Seneca and I got all the yakking that we had that had
Seneca
> in it from back in May 2001 when H. James McConnell wrote about his Pilots
> for Christ, till my last cackling about the Seneca's brakes.
> I typed in "simmonds" and had all the info ever posted from back in June
> 2001 when WC Gordon posted an article about the simmonds fuel injection
> units till Randy responded to Chris's article on the Simmonds FI only
> yesterday.
>
> Thanks, Matt. It's a great resource now. I will try to get the pics up
> tomorrow.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Archives Now Available!
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> >
> > Hello Commander Listers,
> >
> > Nico was kind enough to upload the Commander List archives all the way
> back
> > to April of 2001. I wrote some code today to convert them to the format
> my
> > system uses, stripped out a whole wad of advertisements and other stuff,
> > and just finished putting them on line for Searching, Browsing, and
> > Downloading!
> >
> > The two main pages of interest include the Searching Page and the
Archive
> > page. The URLs for these are respectively:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/search (be sure to select the Commander
> archive!)
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> >
> > These two links and a number of others can always be found in the List
> > Email Trailer below.
> >
> > Thank you, Nico, for taking the time to save all those messages and for
> > getting them to me! Don't forget to email the all the List photos
> > to pictures@matronics.com and I'll see that all of them get up on the
> > Photoshare page as well!
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > List Admin.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
This is my version of the "Hi I,I'm Barry posting".
Barry,
That was me flying overhead in those CH 46 Seaknights and years later in C-130s
when you were lying in you crib in a messy diaper.
Hi,
My name is Milt.
Through this list I have gained some lifelong best friends (Chris Schuerman, Crunk
and Crunk, Jet Paul, Big AL, Gary Tillman, Jimbob, Bow, Barry and Barry, Wing
Commander, and too many others to name.)
I started flying about 35 years ago and was an airline pilot wannabe (like Crunk
and Jet Paul)
Most of my time is in Apaches, C310s, C421s, and Twin Commanders.
I have owned a straight 560 (now owned by Leon Stoval N295V) and now fly N414C
a 685 owned by my wife Gail ( she won't let me buy anything). You can see my handsome
face on Chris' website.
After an eternity in the Marine Corps I spent several years as a CFI and freight
dog while going to school. As I looked right and left at the flight instructors
I was working with and saw they were number 6 billion on the airline recall
list I figured a career in the airlines was unlikely. So I became a Cardiologist
instead.
You will find on the list that I am almost as obnoxious as Barry Hancock who is
almost as obnoxious as Big Al.
Do not bad mouth geared engines or blowers or my friends and you will do OK.
Piss me off and I'll send you a butt load of crude pictures of SQUAKS.
I'm also known as the Shirt. A title most of you will aspire too but will never
achieve. As of now only Barry Collman and Wing Commander belong to the Order
of the Shirt with me.
I'm Irish and proud of it and I still like Sir Barry even though his ancestors
f#%ked with my ancestors unmercifully.
I live in Mississippi (no I did not marry my sister) and if you mess with the South
you mess with a bunch of us.
So next year come to Dayton and drink some "no name" with me and my friends.
Milt
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> After an eternity in the Marine Corps I spent several years as a CFI and
freight dog while going to school. As I looked right and left at the flight
instructors I was working with and saw they were number 6 billion on the
airline recall list I figured a career in the airlines was unlikely. So I
became a Cardiologist instead.
===============
If my parents could have afforded Golf lessons, I too, could have been a
doctor. ;>)
bilbo
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 06:20 AM, n414c wrote:
> You will find on the list that I am almost as obnoxious as Barry
> Hancock who is almost as obnoxious as Big Al.
Geez, now being to the point, tackling issues head on, and
tongue-in-cheek humor is obnoxious. I know you better than to call you
a liberal, but c'mon Milt, where's the love here? <sigh> I guess you
did list me as one of your lifelong best friends, so it can't be all
bad... :)
Barry
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| Subject: | Re: Archives Now Available! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/04/02 00:53:23 Pacific Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
> Thanks, Matt. It's a great resource now. I will try to get the pics up
> tomorrow.
>
Thanks, Nico!
I remembered you volunteered to archive all the email chat, but didn't know
you were actually doing it. (Maybe I'd have been more careful if I thought
someone was watching ...)
You're a saint!
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, my name is Barry.... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Well, Milt, it's like when I was in the broadcast media. They teams
would give us a media guide with gobs of information, but it was up to
us to sift through it and pick what we wanted to use. I'm prolific,
what can I say. When I publish my first book, it'll be much more than
you want to know too....next time I'll just write a kids story with 10
words so that you can understand it. I'll even mail you a box of
crayons....oh, wait, that was obnoxious. Damn!
Barry
PS for those of you who don't know, the above was definitely
TONGUE-IN-CHEEK.... :)
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 05:53 AM, n414c wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
>
> FAR MORE THAN WE EVER CARED TO KNOW ABOUT BARRY (aka Berry) Hancock
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Hi, my name is Barry....
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock
>> <radialpower@cox.net>
>>
>> ...and I'm a Commanderholic.
>>
>> Let's see....I was born in Orange, CA in 1968. Yes, that makes me 34
>> and admittedly still wet behind the ears, especially in this group.
>>
>
>
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" <cwall@worldflight2000.com>
Just ordered the Airwolf filters. Getting a field approval from the Houston FSDO
is miserable.
I asked John, in tech about the problem of removing the filters which came up several
times in everybodys response about which filter to chose. What he said
is that it is a problem with how the filters are installed. First always use
silcone grease on the rubber seal, don't get lazy and use oil(I knew that but
have been lazy myself at times) Second the torque spec that champion puts on
the side of the filter is a dry torque spec, but when the filter is installed
it is greased and therefore is really being over torqued. Airwolf has asked champion
to change this, but have not been succesful in their request. John's
advice was to tighten the filter a half turn after the rubber first touched the
mating surface. If this advice is followed it should make removal much easier.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: MOEMILLS@aol.com
>--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
>
>Chris,
>
>On my 680F(p) we installed the Airwolf filters in the rear sections of the
>nacelles (outboard of the wheels when they are retracted) and got a one time
>field approval as there was no STC. You might consider the "other brand," as
>the top of the
>Airwolf filter housing is round, and removing a filter which has 'stuck' at
>the gasket can be a bit tricky as there is no way to get a wrench on the top,
>and it will twist the mounting surface (firewall or whatever it is bolted to).
>
>Moe Mills
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Goodyear Brakes |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" <cwall@worldflight2000.com>
I have three sets of Goodyear brakes and wheels and dics and brake pads(think that
12 of them might be decent the rest are almost junk) sitting in my garage,
one off of dreamcatcher, one off Jimbob's airplane that was in a little better
shape than the ones on dreamcatcher so we switched them out before we got smart
and went with clevelands. The third set is off my latest 560A project and
are in decent shape, but went to clevelands. I am moving soon and don't want
to be hauling them around the country with me. If anybody is interested in the
parts I will send them to you if you want to pay for the shipping. If you feel
like you got a good deal and they really helped you out, then all I ask is
that you send a little donation to the TCFG to help Jimbob help us all.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Goodyear Brakes |
--> Commander-List message posted by: MarcioK@aol.com
Hi, Chris
I need the brakes. Please send them when you can, I'll pay for shipping and
handling as well.
And I'll increase my contribution to TCFG, anyway...
Thanks a lot
Take care
Marcio
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| Subject: | Re: Goodyear Brakes |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" <cwall@worldflight2000.com>
Marcio,
I have already had several request. Please explain your need, (in particular which
parts you need and how pressing the need is)and I will do my best to help
you out.
Chris
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: MarcioK@aol.com
>--> Commander-List message posted by: MarcioK@aol.com
>
>Hi, Chris
>
>I need the brakes. Please send them when you can, I'll pay for shipping and
>handling as well.
>
>And I'll increase my contribution to TCFG, anyway...
>
>Thanks a lot
>
>Take care
>
>Marcio
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CapnSpray@aol.com
WING COMMANDER GORDON AND ALL: I am certainly not an expert on the IGSO 540
B1A engines, However I have made some notes about the fuel consumption's at
various power settings.
For example; Cruise power, 2600 RPM Fuel Flow 120 LBS/Side.
Mixture, 50' Rich, IAS 175 MPH.
2600 RPM Fuel Flow 85
LBS/Side.
Mixture, 50' Lean, IAS 160 MPH.
So what does that tell us? I was really? From all I have read and heard
about this subject I have decided to run at 50' rich and my experience with
exhaust fingerprints on the top of the cowling is what you would like to see,
a soft white and not black. If I could only see the exhaust stacks and I saw
the sweet Blue White Flame coming out, I know its rite. I have had three
compression checks since I've owned my 680 F(P) and all are above 74 except
one #5 cyl. that is 70#. Remember that the # 5&6 Cyl's get the weather if
your aircraft is left outside in the rain tied down, close your cowl flaps
and put some Styrofoam cups over your exhaust pipes.
We are all in this together, and you know what options are like, rite, and
this is what I have come up with. Thanks Commander Gordon for Inviting me to
participate in the discussion.
capnspray, AKA Jerry R. Sprayberry
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| Subject: | Re: 560E vs 500B |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CapnSpray@aol.com
In a message dated 12/2/02 8:09:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
baruch@intelligentflight.com writes:
> What's wrong with geared engines? Mine are smooth and reliable, relatively
> inexpensive to operate, and don't have a crank AD
My IGSO 540 B1A's are operating perfect, But you cannot put a pilot in there
that cannot stay ahead of the Airplane.
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| Subject: | Re: Apendix horse |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CapnSpray@aol.com
HI Barry: N198 JW Now has winglets, and Hi lights on the wing tips, I am at
Commander Aero now and Gary Kromer has made everything up to date on N198JW.
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
In order for smooth operation I have to run my Continental 520Ks at a TIT
temp about 100 rich of peak. This gives the white chalky residue Spray
mentioned. At that temp @ 32" and 2750 rpm ~65% pwr
each engine burns ~138pph
As I exceed 100deg rich of peak power output drops at and lean of peak the
engines get rough and downright cranky.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: <CapnSpray@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CapnSpray@aol.com
>
> WING COMMANDER GORDON AND ALL: I am certainly not an expert on the IGSO
540
> B1A engines, However I have made some notes about the fuel consumption's
at
> various power settings.
>
> For example; Cruise power, 2600 RPM Fuel Flow 120 LBS/Side.
> Mixture, 50' Rich, IAS 175 MPH.
> 2600 RPM Fuel Flow 85
> LBS/Side.
> Mixture, 50' Lean, IAS 160 MPH.
>
> So what does that tell us? I was really? From all I have read and heard
> about this subject I have decided to run at 50' rich and my experience
with
> exhaust fingerprints on the top of the cowling is what you would like to
see,
> a soft white and not black. If I could only see the exhaust stacks and I
saw
> the sweet Blue White Flame coming out, I know its rite. I have had three
> compression checks since I've owned my 680 F(P) and all are above 74
except
> one #5 cyl. that is 70#. Remember that the # 5&6 Cyl's get the weather if
> your aircraft is left outside in the rain tied down, close your cowl flaps
> and put some Styrofoam cups over your exhaust pipes.
>
> We are all in this together, and you know what options are like, rite, and
> this is what I have come up with. Thanks Commander Gordon for Inviting me
to
> participate in the discussion.
>
> capnspray, AKA Jerry R. Sprayberry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 560E vs 500B |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
Captain Kirk
The original Star Trek
Budweiser Beer
Geared engines
Captain Picard
The New Star trek
Bud Lite
Direct Drive
Like I said Squishy
I rest my case
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: <CapnSpray@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E vs 500B
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CapnSpray@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/2/02 8:09:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> baruch@intelligentflight.com writes:
>
>
> > What's wrong with geared engines? Mine are smooth and reliable,
relatively
> > inexpensive to operate, and don't have a crank AD
>
> My IGSO 540 B1A's are operating perfect, But you cannot put a pilot in
there
> that cannot stay ahead of the Airplane.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
n414c wrote:
> Continental 520Ks at a TIT temp about 100 rich of peak.
>>--> Commander-List message posted by: CapnSpray@aol.com
Mixture, 50' Rich,
Just as an interesting side note, the boys down a Gami have determined
that 50 ROP gives the highest chance of detonation based upon their test
cell measurements. Prior to their studies, I'd been under the
assumption that PEAK egt made detonation most likely. Interesting
reading anyway. I'm still holding judgement until more folks make TBO
runs LOP (not that the discussion is even relevant to geared engines...)
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/04/02 16:08:37 Pacific Standard Time, CapnSpray@aol.com
writes:
> if
> your aircraft is left outside in the rain tied down, close your cowl flaps
> and put some Styrofoam cups over your exhaust pipes.
>
That is such good advice! That goes for ALL the flat nacelle models, by the
way.
Nice work, Capn' Spray.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
I have found that "soup cans" work perfectly over the exhaust pipes. In
fact, I have included "remove soup cans" on my pre-flight check list. And,
they last longer than styrofoam cups...especially when the pipes are hot.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/04/02 16:08:37 Pacific Standard Time,
CapnSpray@aol.com
> writes:
>
>
> > if
> > your aircraft is left outside in the rain tied down, close your cowl
flaps
> > and put some Styrofoam cups over your exhaust pipes.
> >
>
> That is such good advice! That goes for ALL the flat nacelle models, by
the
> way.
>
> Nice work, Capn' Spray.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
I thought the COTM (Commander Of The Month) program was kind of a neat way
to get to know people and their airplanes. Why haven't we (as a group)
perpetuated(a big word for a freight pilot) this. That is as polite of a way
I could come up with to say "get off your ass and do something". Please..
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: COTM CHALLENGE |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
If I remember correctly Chris all but begged for commander photos and
received none.
I went back to the COTM archives and note you have gained a bit of weight
since that picture was taken.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Subject: Commander-List: COTM CHALLENGE
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
>
> I thought the COTM (Commander Of The Month) program was kind of a neat way
> to get to know people and their airplanes. Why haven't we (as a group)
> perpetuated(a big word for a freight pilot) this. That is as polite of a
way
> I could come up with to say "get off your ass and do something". Please..
>
> bilbo
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
It's winter, put on your covers.
Santa's Canadian transport.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/04/02 16:08:37 Pacific Standard Time,
CapnSpray@aol.com
> writes:
>
>
> > if
> > your aircraft is left outside in the rain tied down, close your cowl
flaps
> > and put some Styrofoam cups over your exhaust pipes.
> >
>
> That is such good advice! That goes for ALL the flat nacelle models, by
the
> way.
>
> Nice work, Capn' Spray.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
How about the transport truck type of hinged flap, nothing to remove.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
<rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
> I have found that "soup cans" work perfectly over the exhaust pipes. In
> fact, I have included "remove soup cans" on my pre-flight check list.
And,
> they last longer than styrofoam cups...especially when the pipes are hot.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 12/04/02 16:08:37 Pacific Standard Time,
> CapnSpray@aol.com
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > if
> > > your aircraft is left outside in the rain tied down, close your cowl
> flaps
> > > and put some Styrofoam cups over your exhaust pipes.
> > >
> >
> > That is such good advice! That goes for ALL the flat nacelle models, by
> the
> > way.
> >
> > Nice work, Capn' Spray.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 560E vs 500B |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/04/02 17:24:12 Pacific Standard Time,
n414c@direcway.com writes:
> Captain Kirk
> The original Star Trek
> Budweiser Beer
> Geared engines
>
> Captain Picard
> The New Star trek
> Bud Lite
> Direct Drive
>
> Like I said Squishy
>
> I rest my case
Well, I would tend to agree with you, Shirt, but it's just not that simple.
Look at who you travel with ...
Geared: Spock, Dr. McCoy
Direct Drive: Data, Dr. Beverly Crusher, Dianna Troy, and a bunch of other
(up) stacked powerplants.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: COTM CHALLENGE |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I feel proud to have graced the COTM page for so long but it is time someone
volunteered their story, maybe your waiting until I get my 680FLP.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Subject: Commander-List: COTM CHALLENGE
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
>
> I thought the COTM (Commander Of The Month) program was kind of a neat way
> to get to know people and their airplanes. Why haven't we (as a group)
> perpetuated(a big word for a freight pilot) this. That is as polite of a
way
> I could come up with to say "get off your ass and do something". Please..
>
> bilbo
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Tom Fisher wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> How about the transport truck type of hinged flap, nothing to remove.
Heh! That's a hoot. And they make that great little "dinggy-dinggy"
noise at idle! I offer to remove one from my Moline tractor for the
first person who'll STC it on a Commander!
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/04/02 18:29:51 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> How about the transport truck type of hinged flap, nothing to remove.
>
Morris Kernick and I tossed that idea around a long time ago. We came to the
conclusion that the FAA just wouldn't go for it.
I wish they would.
The soup can idea is great, Randy, but it has to be Progresso Hearty Lentil
to fit properly and I'm not sure the guys on this list will eat enough cans
of it to cover their airplanes.
Now, those Big Gulp styrofoam cups ought to be popular with this crowd and
they'll blow off with the turn of the first blade if you forget them.
Unless, of course, one installs them while the stacks are still hot. That's
why I suggest sticking your tongue on the exhaust stack to test them, and, to
clean them a bit after each flight. You know, like your cat would, if you'd
take it flying with you.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
>That's
> why I suggest sticking your tongue on the exhaust stack to test them, and, to
> clean them a bit after each flight. You know, like your cat would, if you'd
> take it flying with you.
Keith, don't ever leave - please!
chris
PS: don't ever, under any circumstances, take a cat flying. Contrary to
popular belief, they do not land on their feet - they land on your lap!
One flight with a cat and you won't need to schedule that vasectomy...
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| Subject: | Re: COTM CHALLENGE |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
I quit smoking. Maybe 30 pounds, Thank You.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: COTM CHALLENGE
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
>
> If I remember correctly Chris all but begged for commander photos and
> received none.
> I went back to the COTM archives and note you have gained a bit of weight
> since that picture was taken.
>
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: COTM CHALLENGE
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> >
> > I thought the COTM (Commander Of The Month) program was kind of a neat
way
> > to get to know people and their airplanes. Why haven't we (as a group)
> > perpetuated(a big word for a freight pilot) this. That is as polite of a
> way
> > I could come up with to say "get off your ass and do something".
Please..
> >
> > bilbo
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
BREAKER ONE NINE, HOW 'BOUT THAT GREEN DIESEL DOW N YONDER??
Yea sign me up for that STC. Will it be a necessity that they be chromed?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
>
>
> Tom Fisher wrote:
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > How about the transport truck type of hinged flap, nothing to remove.
>
> Heh! That's a hoot. And they make that great little "dinggy-dinggy"
> noise at idle! I offer to remove one from my Moline tractor for the
> first person who'll STC it on a Commander!
>
> Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
And just how do we know this?
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
>
>
> CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> >That's
> > why I suggest sticking your tongue on the exhaust stack to test them,
and, to
> > clean them a bit after each flight. You know, like your cat would, if
you'd
> > take it flying with you.
>
> Keith, don't ever leave - please!
> chris
>
> PS: don't ever, under any circumstances, take a cat flying. Contrary to
> popular belief, they do not land on their feet - they land on your lap!
> One flight with a cat and you won't need to schedule that vasectomy...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Questions regarding the 680FL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I took my cat up in a Jet Ranger (helicopter), the cat by the way was stone
deaf from birth.
The cat stood on the knee of my wife of that era and watch the ground slip
away as I did a vertical climb out.
Funny to watch.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Questions regarding the 680FL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
>
>
> CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> >That's
> > why I suggest sticking your tongue on the exhaust stack to test them,
and, to
> > clean them a bit after each flight. You know, like your cat would, if
you'd
> > take it flying with you.
>
> Keith, don't ever leave - please!
> chris
>
> PS: don't ever, under any circumstances, take a cat flying. Contrary to
> popular belief, they do not land on their feet - they land on your lap!
> One flight with a cat and you won't need to schedule that vasectomy...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 560E vs 500B |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/02 5:24:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com writes:
> Calm down my friend...the world isn't coming to an end - truely...
And furthermore, Even Chris Schuremann's Gas powered ice-cream maker is, you
guessed it, GEARED!! ;-)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/4/02 5:24:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
n414c@direcway.com writes:
> Captain Picard
> The New Star trek
"Beam me up Scot.....er I mean Milt"
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