Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:26 AM - Re: Model 520 (Derek Monk)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: December 7 - A Day That Will Live in Infiney (Nico van Niekerk)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: December 7 - A Day That Will Live in Infiney (Bow)
4. 10:28 AM - Santa (not for young children) (Tom Fisher)
5. 10:32 AM - Re: Santa (not for young children) (Tom Fisher)
6. 10:42 AM - Re: Santa (not for young children) (Bow)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: Santa (not for young children) (Victor C. Rupert)
8. 11:03 AM - Re: Santa (not for young children) (Tom Fisher)
9. 06:11 PM - (Jim Addington)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Derek Monk <britmonk@adelphia.net>
I guess that all this about cg limits and datum's is obvious to most
people by now. So I'll just add one or two comments for interest:
The original fuselage datum 0.0 was based on L3805 nose datum and was
used for fuselage stations for ever more. This was logical since the
stations quoted in your manuals are the fuselage datum's for major
components such as frames, bulkheads etc. and Aero Commander used much
of the same tooling and parts for the whole production run of Twin
Commanders. Since various fuselage plug inserts were used to lengthen
the fuselage, the station dimensions changed occasionally but a look at
the various model station diagrams will show the common sections (the
frame spacing is the best clue).
The early Commanders, (520, 560, 560A, 680) used essentially the same
wing configuration so the 21.2 sq. ft. flap area and 20.52 aileron area
should be constant among these models (by the 695B the aileron area was
still the same and the flap area almost so - 20.80). The fuselage
station for the wing L/E was 102.0 and the forward and aft c.g. limits
were around STA 116 to 125. The different models would vary by an inch
or two, probably due to fuselage length changes. Of course the later
models also used the same wing configuration, but with a center section
insert to increase the span.
As mentioned, he cg datum's were chosen far forward, but not always
forward of the nose, so adding radar could be a negative balance, for
example.
YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 12/7/02 12:23:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
>
>>Also, the C.G. range, to my untrained eye, is both pretty narrow (+168.6 to
>>+175.1) and quite a bit further back than looks right.
>>
>
>HI BARRY....That sounds correct. The CG rang for my 680E is 166.1 - 175.12.
>Considering the added fuselage length, I think the expanded ranges seems
>correct. Also, My Datum is also 152 inch forward of the LE of the wing. The
>MFG can establish a "datum" anyplace they chose and by extending it out in
>front of the nose, if simplifies W & B calculations as all the numbers are
>positive. Thanks for the updates, I had 3 new members from the last
>mailing!! jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: December 7 - A Day That Will Live in Infiney |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Isn't a Mercedes Benz a Chrysler now?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: December 7 - A Day That Will Live in Infiney
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/7/02 2:28:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
srglenn1@msn.com
> writes:
>
> > Well, lets us all remember those who gave life and limb for the freedom
we
> > have today.
> >
>
> AND DON'T BUY JAPANESE CARS!! Like Mitsubishi (made the zero), Kawasaki
> (made a dive bomber) I drive a Cadillac jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: December 7 - A Day That Will Live in Infiney |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
It depends on the class, C, E or S. My S cars were MB. The CLK I just sold
was a "rattle trap". I never had a Chrysler.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: December 7 - A Day That Will Live in Infiney
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Isn't a Mercedes Benz a Chrysler now?
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: December 7 - A Day That Will Live in Infiney
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 12/7/02 2:28:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> srglenn1@msn.com
> > writes:
> >
> > > Well, lets us all remember those who gave life and limb for the
freedom
> we
> > > have today.
> > >
> >
> > AND DON'T BUY JAPANESE CARS!! Like Mitsubishi (made the zero),
Kawasaki
> > (made a dive bomber) I drive a Cadillac jb
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Santa (not for young children) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Be careful out there!
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| Subject: | Re: Santa (not for young children) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I tried to embed an image in the Email but it did not work.
Any suggestions?
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Be careful out there!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Santa (not for young children) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Drop back 10 and kick!!
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> I tried to embed an image in the Email but it did not work.
> Any suggestions?
> Tom...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > Be careful out there!
> >
> >
>
>
Message 7
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| Subject: | Re: Santa (not for young children) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Victor C. Rupert" <V-Man7@attbi.com>
Look at the botton of your email and go to the photo share link and post
your photo...
V-Man
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
>
> Drop back 10 and kick!!
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > I tried to embed an image in the Email but it did not work.
> > Any suggestions?
> > Tom...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > >
> > > Be careful out there!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Santa (not for young children) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I managed to read that method in the FAQ and did send the image to the
gallery.
I believe this means that members might trip over a time sensitive image
that I sent to our group.
Maybe when I want members to see a time sensitive image I will first send it
to the gallery, wait for it to be scanned and posted then I will send an
Email to the group to go and view the image.
Am I correct in this requirement & order of the steps?
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor C. Rupert" <V-Man7@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Victor C. Rupert"
<V-Man7@attbi.com>
>
> Look at the botton of your email and go to the photo share link and post
> your photo...
>
> V-Man
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> >
> > Drop back 10 and kick!!
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > >
> > > I tried to embed an image in the Email but it did not work.
> > > Any suggestions?
> > > Tom...
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Santa (not for young children)
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > >
> > > > Be careful out there!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: December 7th
> > Check out this page and read some of the survivor stories. Makes the
> > movie seem flat.
> > > http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/personal.html
Jim A
N444BD
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