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1. 09:35 AM - Keeping the Faith (Barry Hancock)
2. 01:19 PM - Re: Keeping the Faith (Nico van Niekerk)
3. 02:52 PM - Re: Keeping the Faith (Sneed, Glen)
4. 03:06 PM - Re: Keeping the Faith (Jim Addington)
5. 08:10 PM - ITS FIXED (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 08:19 PM - Re: ITS FIXED (Jim Addington)
7. 08:25 PM - Re: ITS FIXED (Barry Hancock)
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9. 08:52 PM - Re: ITS FIXED (Bow)
10. 09:05 PM - Re: ITS FIXED (Jim Addington)
11. 09:05 PM - Re: ITS FIXED (Barry Hancock)
12. 11:42 PM - Re: ITS FIXED (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Keeping the Faith |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
By Frank Schaeffer
Tuesday, November 26, 2002; Page A29
Washington Post
Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was
defending
me. Now when I read of the war on terrorism or the coming conflict in
Iraq,
it cuts to my heart. When I see a picture of a member of our military who
has been killed, I read his or her name very carefully. Sometimes I cry.
In 1999, when the barrel-chested Marine recruiter showed up in dress
blues
and bedazzled my son John, I did not stand in the way. John was
headstrong,
and he seemed to understand these stern, clean men with straight backs
and
flawless uniforms. I did not. I live on the Volvo-driving, higher
education-worshiping North Shore of Boston. I write novels for a
living. I
have never served in the military.
It had been hard enough sending my two older children off to Georgetown
and
New York University. John's enlisting was unexpected, so deeply
unsettling.
I did not relish the prospect of answering the question "So where is John
going to college?" from the parents who were itching to tell me all about
how their son or daughter was going to Harvard. At the private high
school
John attended, no other students were going into the military.
"But aren't the Marines terribly Southern?" asked one perplexed mother
while
standing next to me at the brunch following graduation. "What a waste, he
was such a good student," said another parent. One parent (a professor
at a
nearby and rather famous university) spoke up at a school meeting and
suggested that the school should "carefully evaluate what went wrong."
When John graduated from three months of boot camp on Parris Island,
3,000
parents and friends were on the parade deck stands. We parents and our
Marines not only were of many races but also were representative of many
economic classes. Many were poor. Some arrived crammed in the backs of
pickups, others by bus. John told me that a lot of parents could not
afford
the trip.
We in the audience were white and Native American. We were Hispanic, Arab
and African American and Asian. We were former Marines wearing the scars
of
battle, or at least baseball caps emblazoned with battles' names. We were
Southern whites from Nashville and skinheads from New Jersey, black kids
from Cleveland wearing ghetto rags and white ex-cons with ham-hock
forearms
defaced by jailhouse tattoos. We would not have been mistaken for the
educated and well-heeled parents gathered on the lawns of John's private
school a half-year before.
After graduation one new Marine told John, "Before I was a Marine, if I
had
ever seen you on my block I would've probably killed you just because you
were standing there." This was a serious statement from one of John's
good
friends, an African American ex-gang member from Detroit who, as John
said,
"would die for me now, just like I'd die for him."
My son has connected me to my country in a way that I was too selfish and
insular to experience before. I feel closer to the waitress at our local
diner than to some of my oldest friends. She has two sons in the Corps.
They
are facing the same dangers as my boy. When the guy who fixes my car
asks me
how John is doing, I know he means it. His younger brother is in the
Navy.
Why were I and the other parents at my son's private school so surprised
by
his choice? During World War II, the sons and daughters of the most
powerful
and educated families did their bit. If the immorality of the Vietnam War
was the only reason those lucky enough to go to college dodged the draft,
why did we not encourage our children to volunteer for military service
once
that war was done?
Have we wealthy and educated Americans all become pacifists? Is the
world a
safe place? Or have we just gotten used to having somebody else defend
us?
What is the future of our democracy when the sons and daughters of the
janitors at our elite universities are far more likely to be put in
harm's
way than are any of the students whose dorms their parents clean?
I feel shame because it took my son's joining the Marine Corps to make me
take notice of who is defending me. I feel hope because perhaps my son is
part of a future "greatest generation." As the storm clouds of war
gather,
at least I know that I can look the men and women in uniform in the eye.
My
son is one of them. He is the best I have to offer. He is my heart.
Frank Schaeffer is a writer. His latest book, co-written with his son,
Marine Cpl. John Schaeffer, is "Keeping Faith: A Father-Son Story About
Love
and the United States Marine Corps."
2002 The Washington Post Company
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping the Faith |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Barry,
Thanks for relaying this message to us.
Frank has touched on an ill in our society that has caused more harm to this
country than any other visible force could ever do. And that is lethargy.
It is a very moving story and I appreciated it.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Keeping the Faith
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
> By Frank Schaeffer
> Tuesday, November 26, 2002; Page A29
> Washington Post
>
>
> Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was
> defending
> me. Now when I read of the war on terrorism or the coming conflict in
> Iraq,
> it cuts to my heart. When I see a picture of a member of our military who
> has been killed, I read his or her name very carefully. Sometimes I cry.
>
> In 1999, when the barrel-chested Marine recruiter showed up in dress
> blues
> and bedazzled my son John, I did not stand in the way. John was
> headstrong,
> and he seemed to understand these stern, clean men with straight backs
> and
> flawless uniforms. I did not. I live on the Volvo-driving, higher
> education-worshiping North Shore of Boston. I write novels for a
> living. I
> have never served in the military.
>
> It had been hard enough sending my two older children off to Georgetown
> and
> New York University. John's enlisting was unexpected, so deeply
> unsettling.
> I did not relish the prospect of answering the question "So where is John
> going to college?" from the parents who were itching to tell me all about
> how their son or daughter was going to Harvard. At the private high
> school
> John attended, no other students were going into the military.
>
> "But aren't the Marines terribly Southern?" asked one perplexed mother
> while
> standing next to me at the brunch following graduation. "What a waste, he
> was such a good student," said another parent. One parent (a professor
> at a
> nearby and rather famous university) spoke up at a school meeting and
> suggested that the school should "carefully evaluate what went wrong."
>
> When John graduated from three months of boot camp on Parris Island,
> 3,000
> parents and friends were on the parade deck stands. We parents and our
> Marines not only were of many races but also were representative of many
> economic classes. Many were poor. Some arrived crammed in the backs of
> pickups, others by bus. John told me that a lot of parents could not
> afford
> the trip.
>
> We in the audience were white and Native American. We were Hispanic, Arab
> and African American and Asian. We were former Marines wearing the scars
> of
> battle, or at least baseball caps emblazoned with battles' names. We were
> Southern whites from Nashville and skinheads from New Jersey, black kids
> from Cleveland wearing ghetto rags and white ex-cons with ham-hock
> forearms
> defaced by jailhouse tattoos. We would not have been mistaken for the
> educated and well-heeled parents gathered on the lawns of John's private
> school a half-year before.
>
> After graduation one new Marine told John, "Before I was a Marine, if I
> had
> ever seen you on my block I would've probably killed you just because you
> were standing there." This was a serious statement from one of John's
> good
> friends, an African American ex-gang member from Detroit who, as John
> said,
> "would die for me now, just like I'd die for him."
>
> My son has connected me to my country in a way that I was too selfish and
> insular to experience before. I feel closer to the waitress at our local
> diner than to some of my oldest friends. She has two sons in the Corps.
> They
> are facing the same dangers as my boy. When the guy who fixes my car
> asks me
> how John is doing, I know he means it. His younger brother is in the
> Navy.
>
> Why were I and the other parents at my son's private school so surprised
> by
> his choice? During World War II, the sons and daughters of the most
> powerful
> and educated families did their bit. If the immorality of the Vietnam War
> was the only reason those lucky enough to go to college dodged the draft,
> why did we not encourage our children to volunteer for military service
> once
> that war was done?
>
> Have we wealthy and educated Americans all become pacifists? Is the
> world a
> safe place? Or have we just gotten used to having somebody else defend
> us?
> What is the future of our democracy when the sons and daughters of the
> janitors at our elite universities are far more likely to be put in
> harm's
> way than are any of the students whose dorms their parents clean?
>
> I feel shame because it took my son's joining the Marine Corps to make me
> take notice of who is defending me. I feel hope because perhaps my son is
> part of a future "greatest generation." As the storm clouds of war
> gather,
> at least I know that I can look the men and women in uniform in the eye.
> My
> son is one of them. He is the best I have to offer. He is my heart.
>
> Frank Schaeffer is a writer. His latest book, co-written with his son,
> Marine Cpl. John Schaeffer, is "Keeping Faith: A Father-Son Story About
> Love
> and the United States Marine Corps."
>
>
> 2002 The Washington Post Company
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> All Red Star
> (949) 300-5510
> radialpower@cox.net
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
>
>
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| Subject: | Keeping the Faith |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Sneed, Glen" <Glen.Sneed@qwest.com>
Barry,
DITTO!!! with Nico.
And if the time ever comes when one of us needs to ' Stand In Harms Way ',
we have the courage too.
In the words of Todd Beamer: "Let's Roll"
Bongo52
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Hancock [mailto:radialpower@cox.net]
Subject: Commander-List: Keeping the Faith
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
By Frank Schaeffer
Tuesday, November 26, 2002; Page A29
Washington Post
Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was
defending ...... and the United States Marine Corps."
2002 The Washington Post Company
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
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| Subject: | Keeping the Faith |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I agree!!!!!!
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sneed,
Glen
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Keeping the Faith
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Sneed, Glen" <Glen.Sneed@qwest.com>
Barry,
DITTO!!! with Nico.
And if the time ever comes when one of us needs to ' Stand In Harms Way ',
we have the courage too.
In the words of Todd Beamer: "Let's Roll"
Bongo52
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Hancock [mailto:radialpower@cox.net]
Subject: Commander-List: Keeping the Faith
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
By Frank Schaeffer
Tuesday, November 26, 2002; Page A29
Washington Post
Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was
defending ...... and the United States Marine Corps."
2002 The Washington Post Company
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HU KIDS.....A $30 hoes, 2 gal of 5606 and a frustrating 2 hours of work in
the rain and triple 2 is ready to fly again. I will try to move her back
home tomorrow. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Unfortunately I have been there done that. Glad it was not more serious.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG@aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: ITS FIXED
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HU KIDS.....A $30 hoes, 2 gal of 5606 and a frustrating 2 hours of work in
the rain and triple 2 is ready to fly again. I will try to move her back
home tomorrow. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Hey JB,
Tell me how you got the gear down and got it stopped....
Thanks!
Barry
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:09 PM, YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HU KIDS.....A $30 hoes, 2 gal of 5606 and a frustrating 2 hours of work
> in
> the rain and triple 2 is ready to fly again. I will try to move her
> back
> home tomorrow. jb
>
>
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Pardon me for being the "whiney heiny". My 500A is STILL sitting in TLH.
The exhaust pipe blew on Halloween and, AWI has had it twice. It was
supposed to be fixed the week before
Thanksgiving.............................I'M WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS FIXED
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Hey JB,
>
> Tell me how you got the gear down and got it stopped....
>
> Thanks!
>
> Barry
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:09 PM, YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > HU KIDS.....A $30 hoes, 2 gal of 5606 and a frustrating 2 hours of work
> > in
> > the rain and triple 2 is ready to fly again. I will try to move her
> > back
> > home tomorrow. jb
> >
> >
> Barry Hancock
> All Red Star
> (949) 300-5510
> radialpower@cox.net
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I thought they would have had it fixed before now but I think I may have a
stack (the upper part)I can loan you if it isn't fixed soon.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS FIXED
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Pardon me for being the "whiney heiny". My 500A is STILL sitting in TLH.
The exhaust pipe blew on Halloween and, AWI has had it twice. It was
supposed to be fixed the week before
Thanksgiving.............................I'M WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS FIXED
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Hey JB,
>
> Tell me how you got the gear down and got it stopped....
>
> Thanks!
>
> Barry
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:09 PM, YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > HU KIDS.....A $30 hoes, 2 gal of 5606 and a frustrating 2 hours of work
> > in
> > the rain and triple 2 is ready to fly again. I will try to move her
> > back
> > home tomorrow. jb
> >
> >
> Barry Hancock
> All Red Star
> (949) 300-5510
> radialpower@cox.net
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Yeah, and I've been waiting 3 years for my CJ project to be done. This
past May it was supposed to be done by August.....but you don't hear me
sniffling in my pillow! :)
Barry
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:47 PM, Bow wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
>
> Pardon me for being the "whiney heiny". My 500A is STILL sitting in
> TLH.
> The exhaust pipe blew on Halloween and, AWI has had it twice. It was
> supposed to be fixed the week before
> Thanksgiving.............................I'M WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS FIXED
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock
>> <radialpower@cox.net>
>>
>> Hey JB,
>>
>> Tell me how you got the gear down and got it stopped....
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Barry
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:09 PM, YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>>>
>>> HU KIDS.....A $30 hoes, 2 gal of 5606 and a frustrating 2 hours of
>>> work
>>> in
>>> the rain and triple 2 is ready to fly again. I will try to move her
>>> back
>>> home tomorrow. jb
>>>
>>>
>> Barry Hancock
>> All Red Star
>> (949) 300-5510
>> radialpower@cox.net
>> www.allredstar.com
>> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
>>
>>
>
>
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/10/02 8:26:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower@cox.net writes:
> Tell me how you got the gear down and got it stopped....
>
> Thanks!
The gear free fell and I used the hand pump to stop, after switching to the
"brakes only" on the selector. Worked fine. jb
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