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1. 12:45 AM - oshkosh (allan hoffman)
2. 01:04 AM - Another Good Night in Aviation (JETPAUL@aol.com)
3. 01:24 AM - Re: Another Good Night in Aviation (CloudCraft@aol.com)
4. 03:12 AM - Re: STILL GROUNDED (Howard Windham)
5. 06:01 AM - Re: Another Good Night in Aviation )worth repeating) (TILLMAN333@aol.com)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: STILL GROUNDED (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: Another Good Night in Aviation (Barry Hancock)
8. 08:50 AM - 560 parts plane for sale (Chris Wall)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: STILL GROUNDED (Dennis Polito W6DEN)
10. 09:51 AM - Re: Another Good Night in Aviation (MarcioK@aol.com)
11. 10:05 AM - Re: STILL GROUNDED (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
12. 04:41 PM - Re: STILL GROUNDED (Barshalom@aol.com)
13. 06:15 PM - KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. (Dennis Polito W6DEN)
14. 07:21 PM - Re: KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
15. 07:25 PM - Re: Another Good Night in Aviation (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
16. 08:23 PM - Re: KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. (allan hoffman)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: allan hoffman <alh1@juno.com>
i also go every year, but i park at appleton. lord willing i will be
there this summer again. ten years ago i was usually the only commander
at osh. now there are a few more, but one year another 500 about two
serial numbers from me parked next to me. go figure. al hoffman
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| Subject: | Another Good Night in Aviation |
speed224@aol.com, jpowell717@msn.com, SinkBird@aol.com,
b.rutledge@charter.net, Wingnut195@cs.com, stubie@mindspring.com,
bray0@dellepro.com, C04Glenn.Dahl@USAFA.edu, DuckRyder@att.net,
Carter1984@aol.com, PAULSTRACI@aol.com, TAYLORMS1@aol.com
--> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com
Had a trip tonight from KATL to KPNS (pensacola, fl.) Crossing over Dothan,
AL
JAX center asked me to change freqs and try to relay to Dothan approach for a
MAYDAY Navajo. They had lost contact with him after an initial vector
towards Andalusia, AL. 700 overcast and 2 miles in light rain. Don't know
if there was an ILS or not.
"(Me) MAYDAY aircraft Navajo 476AB do you copy Citrus 431 over. (Him) Who, I
hear you, 6AB. (ME) N476AB I am a comercial jet trying to relay for Dothan
app. do you copy. (Him) 6AB is at 1500 ft with #2 out. (Me) Roger that 6AB,
Dothan app. said another 20 left and andalusia will be at 12 Oclock. (Him)
O.K. but I'm still in the clouds, and I lost Dothan app. (Me) Stay calm Son,
fly the plane! I'm going to talk you down with Dothans help, you've got to
go down to about 700 for a visual. Dothan advises there are no obstacles, I
have my F/O on 122.8 bringing up the lights for you right now. Stay with me,
and start down. (Him) Roger 6AB is going to 700 ft. (Me) N476AB say your
status. (Him) I don't know, .......it just quit. (Me) Stay on this freq.
son, Dothan said there is no traffic, and my F/O calling your MAYDAY on
unicom. (Him) I SEE IT, I SEE IT!! THE LIGHTS!!! (Me) 6AB can you make the
field? (Him) IT"S 12 Oclock O.K.!! (Me) 6AB can make the runway. I THINK
SO!!"
Then followed the longest 2 minutes of my life, no more answer, no reply,
nobody else on unicom..........But thank god no ELT signal on guard. Dothan
told me he had a man on the phone at the andalusia airport who said "Somebody
just landed, but they aren't talking to anybody."
I was having lunch on my vacation today when the company called and said they
needed my to fly to KPNS tonight. I told them O.K. I didn't really want to
go, but now I know why I was supposed to. N476AB is safe tonight. I hope
all of you are too.
JetPaul
JetPaul
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| Subject: | Re: Another Good Night in Aviation |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/02 01:04:52 Pacific Standard Time, JETPAUL@aol.com
writes:
> Stay on this freq.
> son, Dothan said there is no traffic, and my F/O calling your MAYDAY on
> unicom.
Wow, JetPaul!
That was a terrific bit of work. I know you had your hands full with helping
the MayDay Navajo and your F/O was in on the assist ... all the while you
were taking care of your own business at 460+ knots.
Really great stuff.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Howard Windham" <bw_cycon@yahoo.com>
I camp out in the south 40. Past the ultralights in the classic area.
If it's been raining and the ground is soft I park at Basslier. A long
walk to the trains but well worth it. By the way Bob Hoover has a booth
there every year and he loves to talk to commander guys, (provided you
buy some of his stuff) just kidding
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: STILL GROUNDED
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/12/02 6:46:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bw_cycon@yahoo.com writes:
> Jimbo, I go every year. Let's bring some of you west
> coast boys to the land of cheese heads for some
> fun..Theres never enough commanders at Osh
>
Sounds great to me. I went every year for many years, but always
working. I
would love to be a spectator. Where did you stay?? jb
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| Subject: | Re: Another Good Night in Aviation )worth repeating) |
speed224@aol.com, jpowell717@msn.com, SinkBird@aol.com,
b.rutledge@charter.net, Wingnut195@cs.com, stubie@mindspring.com,
bray0@dellepro.com, C04Glenn.Dahl@USAFA.edu, DuckRyder@att.net,
Carter1984@aol.com, PAULSTRACI@aol.com, TAYLORMS1@aol.com
--> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
Jet Paul,
What a great story!
I'll forward on to my insured who is Editor of Flying Magazine.
His name is Richard Collins. THe story is worth sharing...
Richard taught my Dad to Fly Fixed wing aircraft at Ft. Rucker, Alabama.
(Camp Rucker for you older Army Pilots)
Anytime your in the vicinity of Rome, GA...give me a call.
We have a Deli on the field, and I'll buy lunch.
Merry Christmas to all...
Gary Tillman
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| Subject: | Re: STILL GROUNDED |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> Sounds great to me. I went every year for many years, but always working.
I
> would love to be a spectator. Where did you stay?? jb
Jim,
I parked my Commander in the "Classic Contemporary" area two years ago, and
camped under the wing. The "CC" area ( for aircraft built before the mid
sixties) is usually located down near the approach end of runway 36 on the
grass. It's a GREAT place to park, camp, and hang-out. The views of the
daily airshows and daily landing traffic make for terrific "airplane
watching". You don't have to camp, but it would sure be neat to have a
whole bunch of "tall tails" parked together in the same area.
Some sort of organized arrival together would be pretty cool too.
I'm planning to make the trip from sunny California, and may have some empty
seats...
Randy Dettmer
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| Subject: | Re: Another Good Night in Aviation |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
AWESOME! I HAVE GOOSE BUMPS. THANKS, PAUL, FOR BEING IN THE RIGHT
PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME TO HELP SAVE A LIFE (or more?)....
Barry
On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 01:03 AM, JETPAUL@aol.com wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com
>
> Had a trip tonight from KATL to KPNS (pensacola, fl.) Crossing over
> Dothan,
> AL
> JAX center asked me to change freqs and try to relay to Dothan approach
> for a
> MAYDAY Navajo. They had lost contact with him after an initial vector
> towards Andalusia, AL. 700 overcast and 2 miles in light rain. Don't
> know
> if there was an ILS or not.
>
> "(Me) MAYDAY aircraft Navajo 476AB do you copy Citrus 431 over. (Him)
> Who, I
> hear you, 6AB. (ME) N476AB I am a comercial jet trying to relay for
> Dothan
> app. do you copy. (Him) 6AB is at 1500 ft with #2 out. (Me) Roger
> that 6AB,
> Dothan app. said another 20 left and andalusia will be at 12 Oclock.
> (Him)
> O.K. but I'm still in the clouds, and I lost Dothan app. (Me) Stay
> calm Son,
> fly the plane! I'm going to talk you down with Dothans help, you've
> got to
> go down to about 700 for a visual. Dothan advises there are no
> obstacles, I
> have my F/O on 122.8 bringing up the lights for you right now. Stay
> with me,
> and start down. (Him) Roger 6AB is going to 700 ft. (Me) N476AB say
> your
> status. (Him) I don't know, .......it just quit. (Me) Stay on this
> freq.
> son, Dothan said there is no traffic, and my F/O calling your MAYDAY on
> unicom. (Him) I SEE IT, I SEE IT!! THE LIGHTS!!! (Me) 6AB can you
> make the
> field? (Him) IT"S 12 Oclock O.K.!! (Me) 6AB can make the runway. I
> THINK
> SO!!"
>
> Then followed the longest 2 minutes of my life, no more answer, no
> reply,
> nobody else on unicom..........But thank god no ELT signal on guard.
> Dothan
> told me he had a man on the phone at the andalusia airport who said
> "Somebody
> just landed, but they aren't talking to anybody."
>
> I was having lunch on my vacation today when the company called and
> said they
> needed my to fly to KPNS tonight. I told them O.K. I didn't really
> want to
> go, but now I know why I was supposed to. N476AB is safe tonight. I
> hope
> all of you are too.
>
> JetPaul
>
> JetPaul
>
>
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower@cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| Subject: | 560 parts plane for sale |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" <cwall@worldflight2000.com>
There is a 560, tail number N5462Z Serial #211, for sale in Texas. The entire project
has been kept in a hangar, the owner thought there was too much corrosion
in the wings and decided to take the wing off the plane.(I fail to see the
logic in that move) As of a few years ago he wanted to sell it to somebody to
rebuild, but now he just wants to get rid of it. The plane is sitting in pieces.
The engines and mounts have already been sold along with the seats. Basically
it is just an airframe and landing gear, some instrumets, and all the assorted
parts. I have some pictures, contact me if you are interested. There
are a few pieces that I am interested in(nose wheel bungee, flap pulleys(if they
are good), 1 boost pump, spinners and backing plates and a few other small
pieces) The owner wants $2000 for the lot(and might come down), I will split
it with with sombebody so I can get the parts that I need. I just don't want
the entire airframe or have a way to move it and I want to see the parts go to
good use.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: STILL GROUNDED |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dennis Polito W6DEN" <cloudhopper@attbi.com>
Randy:
I am planning to park in the CC area next year with my 500B. I have the
phone number of the volunteer that is in charge of that area. He said to
call him a couple of weeks before the event and he will hold the primo end
row parking spot. He likes to park the larger planes on the end spot. I am
sure he will accomodate a commander gaggle.
Let's keep in touch on this.
Best
Dennis Polito
N6273X
650-595-3949
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: STILL GROUNDED
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
<rcdettmer@charter.net>
>
>
> > Sounds great to me. I went every year for many years, but always
working.
> I
> > would love to be a spectator. Where did you stay?? jb
>
> Jim,
> I parked my Commander in the "Classic Contemporary" area two years ago,
and
> camped under the wing. The "CC" area ( for aircraft built before the mid
> sixties) is usually located down near the approach end of runway 36 on the
> grass. It's a GREAT place to park, camp, and hang-out. The views of the
> daily airshows and daily landing traffic make for terrific "airplane
> watching". You don't have to camp, but it would sure be neat to have a
> whole bunch of "tall tails" parked together in the same area.
>
> Some sort of organized arrival together would be pretty cool too.
>
> I'm planning to make the trip from sunny California, and may have some
empty
> seats...
>
> Randy Dettmer
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Good Night in Aviation |
--> Commander-List message posted by: MarcioK@aol.com
Good job, Paul
Thanks for sharing...
Regards
Marcio
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| Subject: | Re: STILL GROUNDED |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Hi Dennis,
Yep, that's the best spot on the end of the row near the runway. Hopefully,
we'll get a whole bunch of Commnders flying into OSH this year. I'll keep
in touch.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Polito W6DEN" <cloudhopper@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: STILL GROUNDED
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Dennis Polito W6DEN"
<cloudhopper@attbi.com>
>
> Randy:
> I am planning to park in the CC area next year with my 500B. I have the
> phone number of the volunteer that is in charge of that area. He said to
> call him a couple of weeks before the event and he will hold the primo end
> row parking spot. He likes to park the larger planes on the end spot. I am
> sure he will accomodate a commander gaggle.
>
> Let's keep in touch on this.
>
> Best
>
> Dennis Polito
>
> N6273X
>
> 650-595-3949
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: STILL GROUNDED
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
> <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > > Sounds great to me. I went every year for many years, but always
> working.
> > I
> > > would love to be a spectator. Where did you stay?? jb
> >
> > Jim,
> > I parked my Commander in the "Classic Contemporary" area two years ago,
> and
> > camped under the wing. The "CC" area ( for aircraft built before the
mid
> > sixties) is usually located down near the approach end of runway 36 on
the
> > grass. It's a GREAT place to park, camp, and hang-out. The views of
the
> > daily airshows and daily landing traffic make for terrific "airplane
> > watching". You don't have to camp, but it would sure be neat to have a
> > whole bunch of "tall tails" parked together in the same area.
> >
> > Some sort of organized arrival together would be pretty cool too.
> >
> > I'm planning to make the trip from sunny California, and may have some
> empty
> > seats...
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: STILL GROUNDED |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barshalom@aol.com
Dennis,
Got room for another 500B?
Bill in TN
N69PT
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| Subject: | KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dennis Polito W6DEN" <cloudhopper@attbi.com>
Bill et al:
Absolutely, the more the merrier. I usually catch the show on the first day with
arrival one day earlier. I have made it all of the way from the San Francisco
area in one day lots of times but I prefer to spend the night somewhere about
1 hour away, this way we are sure to get a good spot early the next morning.
I will call the person responsible for the parking in the CC area. It is right
next to the 36 numbers. He promised to park the larger aircraft a row. Will
call him a few weeks prior to the event with a plane count. I don't think it matters
when each plane arrives, he just needs the count.
The guys coming from the west coast can rendezvous at a pre arranged spot and arrive
together.
This year something interesting happened to us.
We planned an overnight in Cedar Rapids. Upon checking the weather I discovered
that it would be much better to continue on and outrun a nasty front. Ever try
to secure an IFR slot into KOSH? Forget it! Been there, done that and got the
t-shirt. Not worth the hassle.
We arrive near Fisk and discover that there will be no arrivals due to the fact
that there are 82 Mooneys inbound and they wouldn't allow any other aircraft
to mix in with the Mooneys. Lotsa folks ahead of us are holding and very very
irate.
So there we are circling away from the crowd poised to sneak in. Oh yes, it's now
1930 hrs local and the airdrome closes in 30 minutes.
The poor female controller was catching everyone's crap as if this mess was all
her fault.
Finally at 1950 hrs. she started to accept new traffic, squeezing in as many as
she could before the drome closed for the evening. I gingerly squeezed in behind
a biplane and heard the controller acknowledge both the biplane and the Commander.
She remained calm, courteous and very professional. I can't begin to
tell you what a fabulous job this gal did in the face of all of this chaos. We
were one of the last aircraft to make in in that evening. The storm arrived
as advertised and on schedule. What is Oshkosh without a downpour?
About two weeks later I happened to pick up a copy of the Wall Street Journal and
there on the front page was an account of the controller's actions and even
the radio acknowledgement of the biplane and the Commander.
Maybe next year we can arrive with a high commander count and make the Mooneys
wait!
Pass along your phone number and I will begin to compile a list of those interested.
Dennis Polito
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| Subject: | Re: KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/13/02 7:03:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cloudhopper@attbi.com writes:
> Bill et al:
>
>
> Absolutely, the more the merrier. I usually catch the show on the first day
> with arrival one day earlier. I have made it all of the way from the San
> Francisco area in one day lots of times but I prefer to spend the night
> somewhere about 1 hour away, this way we are sure to get a good spot early
> the next morning. I will call the person responsible for the parking in the
> CC area. It is right next to the 36 numbers. He promised to park the larger
> aircraft a row. Will call him a few weeks prior to the event with a plane
> count. I don't think it matters when each plane arrives, he just needs the
> count.
>
How many of you would be interested in staying in a big, old farm house B &
B?? Or is everybody planing on camping. Let me know and if there is enough
interest, I can contact the folks and see if we can have rooms, it is rustic,
but clean, close and relatively cheap. jb
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| Subject: | Re: Another Good Night in Aviation |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
WOW PAUL..Great story and great thinking.......jb
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| Subject: | Re: KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: allan hoffman <alh1@juno.com>
dennis, allan hoffman 561 478 7066 put me down for osh. from pbi (palm
beach, florida to osh. i usually overnight in pia because of byerly
aviation and the casino in peoria. i usually have a seat or two if
anyone is interested, but sometimes i come by way of memphis or even
rapid city depending on the weather and my mood.
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