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1. 01:04 AM - Re: 680FP (Bill Hamilton)
2. 02:36 AM - AC 680FP (Jerry R. Sprayberry)
3. 06:32 AM - 680FP (n414c)
4. 06:45 AM - 680FP (n414c)
5. 07:28 AM - Re: 680FP (Jerry R. Sprayberry)
6. 07:30 AM - CHAT Re: 680FP (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 07:35 AM - CHAT Re: 680FP (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: CHAT Re: 680FP (n414c)
9. 01:08 PM - 'Twas the night before Christmas (Tom Fisher)
10. 01:51 PM - Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas (Bow)
11. 02:40 PM - Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas (Tom Fisher)
12. 03:04 PM - Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas (Bow)
13. 03:30 PM - Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation (Glenn Sneed)
14. 03:57 PM - Re: Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation (Tom Fisher)
15. 08:17 PM - TRAVELING?? (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
16. 08:35 PM - Traveling (Jim Addington)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
All,
It's not just old Aero Commanders that have pressurisation leaks, ALL old
pressurised aircraft have problems.
It will not just one leak, it will be lots of little leaks, like around
every slightly loose rivet, every wiring grommet, etc, etc.
Merry Christmas and wishing you all a Prosperous New Year,
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 08:47 PM 21/12/02 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
><chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
>
>
>Bow wrote:
> > Will it make it to FL 220 with 4 people onboard and maintain a
> breathable cabin?
>
>Bow,
> From everything I've been told, virtually no older Commander seems to
>meet book specs for presurization. I asked this question of quite a few
>people back when I was looking to get an FP and got the same answer from
>everyone: it's possible, but takes substantial effort to get everything
>sealed "like new".
>
>I know that isn't "facts", just feedback.
>
>Chris
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray@direcway.com>
Well Hello everyone it got a little quiet out there for a while and thought I was
having trouble with Satilite.
About the 680FP Pressure, I Just had my Aircraft Huff tested at Commander aero,
and the pressure Diff was at the max and the Relief valve operated Normal, Gary
Kromer asked me to test hop before coming home,
I took off from KMGY told ATC what I was doing, I left the cabin Press selector
at field elevation, went to 8,000 ft. and the cabin stayed on the Ground. the
Press Diff.. was 3.0, Normal max is 3.1, Relief valve opens at 3.2PSI,
I had headwinds on the way back so I went at 6000ft
so, 18,000 Ft. should keep a 10,000 Ft cabin alt.
As for the Turbo's are concerned, At 13,000 I still get 40" MP CL. PWR.
JRS
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
OK Bow,
Most patients going to a Dr. with VD start their conversation with "this isn't
for me or this is for a friend of mine"
EXACTLY what are you up to with all these queries about side looking weird synthetic
nookie radar and pressurization?
Fess up.
Is it legal?
Milt
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
Even though most old pressurized aircraft will not get you where the book says
with full delta p remember it does quiet the cabin and offer some degree of heat.
George Yundt spent a ton of $ and was able to go to 250 with a 10,000ft cabin in
his 685.
I've spent a ton of time filling leaks and the best I get is 220 with a 12,000
foot cabin.
Above that a little nasal canula works great.
for the 685 it is a long drag at gross from 19000 to 250 but it gets there.
The problem with using the floor as a pressure bulkhead is you cannot test it with
soap and water.
I have had some luck using a headless stethescope and listening but ambient noise
and noise ruins that. I'm going to try pressurizing with a leaf blower on a
long hose and the blower on the other side of the hangar door to try and eliminate
the noise problem.
Milt
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray@direcway.com>
Milt and all: Gary Kromer has a Cabin supercharger that is elec. driven
instead of 3000lbs. Hyd. Pressure. He took my outlet hose off and hooked
his direct to the cabin, (found that my hose was split half into) and he
replaced it, that was where my press was going, You have to pull the C/B for
the Squat Sw. and run the cabin Press reg. way down below sealevel, go to
Flt Auto, Press the Pressurize sw. and get out and close the door.
As I said mine went to 3.1 PSI and held, we manually held the Outflow Valve
closed to check that the Relief valve is operating, It did, The system was
up to Specs. even though the Emerg. Escape Hatch had some leakage, The hatch
has Two Seals, one on the Hatch and one on the Airframe, It is labor
intensive to change because they are put on with rivets, I have been told
that is where they all leak somewhat.
Also when My Airplane was Stripped out for the Panel & New interior, I did
the Annual and all the Insp. Plates were removed ,and when replaced they
were sealed with a good Caulk. and a half roll of good Duct tape sealed over
every screw and plate. I have a new Door Seal, But it fits so tight that I
do not inflate it, I heard of one Airplane that they checked leaked worse
while Inflated than when not.
Another place common to leakage is the Rudder Pedal Boots.
I am no expert with the FP but my wallet says I had better learn quick. I
have learned a lot from these discussions, learned a lot from WCG, He has
helped me out from the beginning, Thanks Keith, and Thanks to all, I hope
everyone has a Happy Holliday Season and a Prosperous New Year. CHEERS Jerry
R.
----- Original Message -----
From: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
>
> Even though most old pressurized aircraft will not get you where the book
says with full delta p remember it does quiet the cabin and offer some
degree of heat.
>
> George Yundt spent a ton of $ and was able to go to 250 with a 10,000ft
cabin in his 685.
>
> I've spent a ton of time filling leaks and the best I get is 220 with a
12,000 foot cabin.
> Above that a little nasal canula works great.
>
> for the 685 it is a long drag at gross from 19000 to 250 but it gets
there.
> The problem with using the floor as a pressure bulkhead is you cannot test
it with soap and water.
> I have had some luck using a headless stethescope and listening but
ambient noise and noise ruins that. I'm going to try pressurizing with a
leaf blower on a long hose and the blower on the other side of the hangar
door to try and eliminate the noise problem.
> Milt
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/22/02 06:45:45 Pacific Standard Time,
n414c@direcway.com writes:
> I'm going to try pressurizing with a leaf blower on a long hose and the
> blower on the other side of the hangar door to try and eliminate the noise
> problem.
>
If you take the leaf blower to the hangar does your wife get a day off from
cleaning the house trailer?
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/22/02 07:28:48 Pacific Standard Time,
capnspray@direcway.com writes:
> I
> have learned a lot from these discussions, learned a lot from WCG, He has
> helped me out from the beginning,
At your service, Sir!
You certainly did it right with leak checking your 680-FP. Of course, you
had Gary Kromer on the job and that's why you make full pressure.
Thanks for pointing out the trouble spots -- those were some great tips.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
Absolutely not. I make her use a soda straw. Especially now that we have a
double wide.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
> If you take the leaf blower to the hangar does your wife get a day off
from
> cleaning the house trailer?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | 'Twas the night before Christmas |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
When over the radio there came such a clatter
I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
A voice clearly heard over static and snow
Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
He made his transmissions both lively and quick
I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
Away to the window I went in a flash,
To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
But saw only one at the front - it was red!
He called his position, and I heard him say
"St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
"Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
"When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
I thought for a while about passing this test
Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
"Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
"And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
"Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
Fred G. Carey AScT
Area Air Deputy - CYPK
Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
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| Subject: | Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
GREAT, Tom
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> 'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
> Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
> The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
> While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
>
> The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
> In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
> And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
> Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
>
> When over the radio there came such a clatter
> I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
> A voice clearly heard over static and snow
> Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
>
> He made his transmissions both lively and quick
> I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
> Away to the window I went in a flash,
> To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
>
> I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
> But saw only one at the front - it was red!
> He called his position, and I heard him say
> "St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
>
> He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
> as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
> "Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
> These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
>
> The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
> So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
> The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
> "When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
>
> He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
> Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
> He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
> I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
>
> He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
> And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
> His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
> And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
>
> He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
> His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
> He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
> And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
>
> I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
> Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
> With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
> He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
>
> I thought for a while about passing this test
> Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
> It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
> Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
>
> So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
> And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
> When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
> Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
>
> And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
> With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
> He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
> Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
>
> And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
> He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
> "Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
> "And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
>
> I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
> "Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
>
>
> Fred G. Carey AScT
> Area Air Deputy - CYPK
> Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
>
>
Message 11
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| Subject: | Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I thought Fred Carey created it, he did not.
The Email was digitally plagiarized in error.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
>
> GREAT, Tom
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > 'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
> > Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
> > The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
> > While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
> >
> > The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
> > In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
> > And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
> > Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
> >
> > When over the radio there came such a clatter
> > I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
> > A voice clearly heard over static and snow
> > Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
> >
> > He made his transmissions both lively and quick
> > I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
> > Away to the window I went in a flash,
> > To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
> >
> > I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
> > But saw only one at the front - it was red!
> > He called his position, and I heard him say
> > "St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
> >
> > He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
> > as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
> > "Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
> > These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
> >
> > The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
> > So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
> > The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
> > "When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
> >
> > He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
> > Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
> > He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
> > I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
> >
> > He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
> > And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
> > His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
> > And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
> >
> > He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
> > His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
> > He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
> > And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
> >
> > I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
> > Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
> > With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
> > He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
> >
> > I thought for a while about passing this test
> > Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
> > It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
> > Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
> >
> > So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
> > And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
> > When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
> > Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
> >
> > And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
> > With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
> > He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
> > Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
> >
> > And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
> > He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
> > "Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
> > "And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
> >
> > I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
> > "Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
> >
> >
> > Fred G. Carey AScT
> > Area Air Deputy - CYPK
> > Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
DON'T MATTER
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> I thought Fred Carey created it, he did not.
> The Email was digitally plagiarized in error.
> Tom...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> >
> > GREAT, Tom
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > >
> > > 'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
> > > Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
> > > The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
> > > While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
> > >
> > > The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
> > > In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
> > > And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
> > > Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
> > >
> > > When over the radio there came such a clatter
> > > I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
> > > A voice clearly heard over static and snow
> > > Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
> > >
> > > He made his transmissions both lively and quick
> > > I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
> > > Away to the window I went in a flash,
> > > To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
> > >
> > > I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
> > > But saw only one at the front - it was red!
> > > He called his position, and I heard him say
> > > "St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
> > >
> > > He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
> > > as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
> > > "Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
> > > These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
> > >
> > > The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
> > > So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
> > > The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
> > > "When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
> > >
> > > He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
> > > Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
> > > He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
> > > I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
> > >
> > > He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
> > > And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
> > > His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
> > > And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
> > >
> > > He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
> > > His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
> > > He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
> > > And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
> > >
> > > I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
> > > Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
> > > With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
> > > He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
> > >
> > > I thought for a while about passing this test
> > > Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
> > > It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
> > > Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
> > >
> > > So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
> > > And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
> > > When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
> > > Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
> > >
> > > And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
> > > With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
> > > He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
> > > Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
> > >
> > > And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
> > > He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
> > > "Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
> > > "And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
> > >
> > > I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
> > > "Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred G. Carey AScT
> > > Area Air Deputy - CYPK
> > > Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Glenn Sneed" <srglenn1@msn.com>
Well Group, I was the only member of the discussion group, which was able to
attend Tylor Hall's Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation in Pagosa Springs,
Colorado.
Tylor and his wife were excellent hosts. They had more food 'than you could
shake a stick at' with the pecan pie brought in from Alabama. The majority
of the attendees were from the local aviation community to include a Part
135 Operator from Durango, CO.
Tylor has already mention many of the exciting things planned for Wind
Dancer Aviation. The Kelly Aerospace STC's will be an excellent anchor
product line.
Wind Dancer's facilities are shaping up. I did not have the opportunity to
tour all of the operations. But from what I did see, Tylor has a first
class operation. The hanger is 120'x120'. He has several occupants
already. The staff he inherited with hanger is first rate and friendly.
The ramp is not large but plenty of room for several Commanders with room to
spare. The fuel trucks are in excellent shape. I saw oxygen recharging
rig, so that may be available too.
He is located in Pagosa Springs, a resort town. Very picturerest and quite.
Check it out at: http://www.pagosaspringschamber.com/
A nice place for a 'Get-a-Way' weekend.
Next time you are traversing the 4 Corners area, drop in to 2V1 and have a
cup of coffee.
Bongo52
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| Subject: | Re: Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
If I could I would even though it's exactly 1000nm from CYVR.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Sneed" <srglenn1@msn.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Glenn Sneed" <srglenn1@msn.com>
>
> Well Group, I was the only member of the discussion group, which was able
to
> attend Tylor Hall's Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation in Pagosa Springs,
> Colorado.
>
> Tylor and his wife were excellent hosts. They had more food 'than you
could
> shake a stick at' with the pecan pie brought in from Alabama. The
majority
> of the attendees were from the local aviation community to include a Part
> 135 Operator from Durango, CO.
>
> Tylor has already mention many of the exciting things planned for Wind
> Dancer Aviation. The Kelly Aerospace STC's will be an excellent anchor
> product line.
>
> Wind Dancer's facilities are shaping up. I did not have the opportunity
to
> tour all of the operations. But from what I did see, Tylor has a first
> class operation. The hanger is 120'x120'. He has several occupants
> already. The staff he inherited with hanger is first rate and friendly.
> The ramp is not large but plenty of room for several Commanders with room
to
> spare. The fuel trucks are in excellent shape. I saw oxygen recharging
> rig, so that may be available too.
>
> He is located in Pagosa Springs, a resort town. Very picturerest and
quite.
> Check it out at: http://www.pagosaspringschamber.com/
> A nice place for a 'Get-a-Way' weekend.
>
> Next time you are traversing the 4 Corners area, drop in to 2V1 and have a
> cup of coffee.
>
> Bongo52
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS...
I was just wondering if anybody will be "Commandering" about
the county this Christmas?? We were planing on traveling to N. Idaho in
triple 2, but the firs major, and I mean MAJOR winter storm is predicted to
be upon us, so we will probably drive :-( Oh well, if you have time to
spare, go by air. MERRY CHRISTMAS!! jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I am planning to go to Corpus Christi but am battling a cold. I did want to
tell any new Commander owners if they are going to be going where there will
be thunder storms to be sure to put an external rudder lock on your plane. A
strong storm can knock the internal lock off and then it will break the bell
crank as I learned the hard way. If you are going to where it is snowing and
your plane will be left outside be sure to attach a tail stand ( just a
piece of tubing will do ) to the tail skid. We seldom get snow here in Texas
but as you guessed my plane was sitting out side and the snow buildup
slammed the tail down hard enough to drive the tail skid up inside the tail.
Merry Christmas
Jim Addington
N444BD
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