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1. 04:54 AM - help needed (Chris Schuermann)
2. 06:22 AM - Re: SHRIKE 582AC (Bow)
3. 09:18 AM - Re: SHRIKE 582AC (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
4. 09:58 AM - Re: SHRIKE 582AC (Jim Addington)
5. 06:30 PM - Re: SHRIKE 582AC (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 06:55 PM - Re: SHRIKE 582AC (Jim Addington)
7. 09:10 PM - Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) (Kelly Piper)
8. 10:14 PM - Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Morning everybody.
A fellow that I've been conversing with for a while just purchased a 520
Commander - looks like a very nice one. Although he has quite a few
multi hours, he's never flown a Commander before. He's looking for
someone to help him get the airplane home. If anyone is interested,
please contact him directly:
chris
.......snip..............
The aircraft is in Ohio about 10 miles from Columbus.
I am based in Georgia (HQU) near Augusta.
Should be about a 2-1/2 to 3 hour trip in the 520.
James Lyle
JLyle@hcca.magmutual.com
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| Subject: | Re: SHRIKE 582AC |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
> I took a look and some pix of a nice older Shrike for TCFG
> member Jimmy Rodreguis (sp) this week. It is parked across the river and
I
> think Morris made an offer on it in his behalf?? It is a nice clean
example
> with a NEW SPAR!! It would be great to have another member become an
owner.
> Jimmy was at the flyin this year and lives in San Juan, PR. (Maybe I can
> ferry it down there, Yippee!!) jb
JB,
You're going to have to eat a lot of crow before you can fly one of the
dreaded direct drive airplanes.
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: SHRIKE 582AC |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/28/02 6:23:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, w.bow@att.net
writes:
> JB,
> You're going to have to eat a lot of crow before you can fly one of the
> dreaded direct drive airplanes.
>
> bilbo
>
Not if I burning someone elses gas!! ;-) jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
JB,
It looks like you would be comming almost over Denton on your way to San
Juan. It looks to me like you would need some help from here on. I could be
talked into helping.
Jim Addington
N444BD
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SHRIKE 582AC
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/28/02 6:23:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, w.bow@att.net
writes:
> JB,
> You're going to have to eat a lot of crow before you can fly one of the
> dreaded direct drive airplanes.
>
> bilbo
>
Not if I burning someone elses gas!! ;-) jb
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| Subject: | Re: SHRIKE 582AC |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/28/02 9:59:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jtaddington@charter.net writes:
> JB,
> It looks like you would be comming almost over Denton on your way to
> San
> Juan. It looks to me like you would need some help from here on. I could be
> talked into helping.
>
>
THANKS!! I WILL keep that in mind, assuming I get to do this. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Sounds good.
Thanks
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SHRIKE 582AC
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/28/02 9:59:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jtaddington@charter.net writes:
> JB,
> It looks like you would be comming almost over Denton on your way to
> San
> Juan. It looks to me like you would need some help from here on. I could
be
> talked into helping.
>
>
THANKS!! I WILL keep that in mind, assuming I get to do this. jb
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Kelly Piper <kellyp@air-matrix.com>
Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for our 560A
from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be working, to a
more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an MEL for
operations in their airspace (part 135).
The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the 5xx series
that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does that seem to
be the case?
Thanks again for your input.
KP
Quoting YOURTCFG@aol.com:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/27/02 5:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> billw@air-matrix.com writes:
>
> > Moe:
> > I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION
> > COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C, 690D,
> 695,
> > 695A, 695B
> >
>
> That is because turbine airplanes require a MEL or MMEL to be operated
> in the
> "real world" since they are specifically exempted form 91.205 in 91.213,
> D,
> (1) (i), meaning that short of an approved MMEL or ferry permit, every
>
> stinking light bulb must work every time, including the one on the
> coffee
> warmer.
> A piston airplane can revert to 91.205 parigraph (b) - (f)
> This is
> the MEL for a part 91, piston airplane. Part 135 airplanes MEL is found
> in
> 135.159, 161, 163.
> Hope this helps. jb
>
>
>
>
>
>
Kelly Piper
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223
Tel: 360-435-7343
Mob: 425-231-2311
kellyp@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
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| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/28/02 9:11:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for our
> 560A
> from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be working, to
> a
> more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an MEL
> for
> operations in their airspace (part 135).
>
> The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the 5xx
> series
> that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does that
> seem to
> be the case?
>
> Thanks again for your input.
>
YEP, I think that is correct. Call John Towner, Cental Air in KC
816-472-7711. He operates a fleet of 35 500 series Commanders on 135
freight, or Duane Hick 519-633-1884, 519-773-8366. Duane operats several 500
series Commanders in Ontario Canada. I think both of these guys have
operated older Commanders at some time?? Good Luck and tell them we talked.
jb
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