---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/29/02: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:11 AM - 'How to Ruin American Enterprise' (Robert Bullock) 2. 12:18 PM - Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) (Bruce Campbell) 3. 09:48 PM - Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) (Kelly Piper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:30 AM PST US From: Robert Bullock Subject: Commander-List: 'How to Ruin American Enterprise' --> Commander-List message posted by: Robert Bullock 'How to Ruin American Enterprise' All the 'merkins need to read this. No jingoism here, tho that's the fashion. http://biz.yahoo.com/fo/021220/how_to_ruin_american_enterprise_3.html ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:50 PM PST US From: "Bruce Campbell" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" There is a Master MEL for the 560. Its on the FAA web site. http://www1.faa.gov/fsdo/btr/MMELsa.htm look under G500 Bruce Campbell n4186b ac52 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Piper" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) > --> Commander-List message posted by: Kelly Piper > > Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for our 560A > from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be working, to a > more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an MEL for > operations in their airspace (part 135). > > The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the 5xx series > that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does that seem to > be the case? > > Thanks again for your input. > > KP > > Quoting YOURTCFG@aol.com: > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 12/27/02 5:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > billw@air-matrix.com writes: > > > > > Moe: > > > I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION > > > COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C, 690D, > > 695, > > > 695A, 695B > > > > > > > That is because turbine airplanes require a MEL or MMEL to be operated > > in the > > "real world" since they are specifically exempted form 91.205 in 91.213, > > D, > > (1) (i), meaning that short of an approved MMEL or ferry permit, every > > > > stinking light bulb must work every time, including the one on the > > coffee > > warmer. > > A piston airplane can revert to 91.205 parigraph (b) - (f) > > This is > > the MEL for a part 91, piston airplane. Part 135 airplanes MEL is found > > in > > 135.159, 161, 163. > > Hope this helps. jb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly Piper > AirMatrix > 17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D > Arlington, WA 98223 > Tel: 360-435-7343 > Mob: 425-231-2311 > kellyp@air-matrix.com > www.air-matrix.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) From: Kelly Piper --> Commander-List message posted by: Kelly Piper Thanks. That appears to be exactly what we need. I had looked there before but the cryptic designation (G500) threw me. Kelly Piper N2732B Quoting Bruce Campbell : > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" > > > There is a Master MEL for the 560. Its on the FAA web site. > > http://www1.faa.gov/fsdo/btr/MMELsa.htm > > look under G500 > > > Bruce Campbell > n4186b ac52 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Piper" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Kelly Piper > > > > > Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for > our > 560A > > from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be > working, to > a > > more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an > MEL > for > > operations in their airspace (part 135). > > > > The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the > 5xx > series > > that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does > that > seem to > > be the case? > > > > Thanks again for your input. > > > > KP > > > > Quoting YOURTCFG@aol.com: > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 12/27/02 5:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > billw@air-matrix.com writes: > > > > > > > Moe: > > > > I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION > > > > COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C, > 690D, > > > 695, > > > > 695A, 695B > > > > > > > > > > That is because turbine airplanes require a MEL or MMEL to be > operated > > > in the > > > "real world" since they are specifically exempted form 91.205 in > 91.213, > > > D, > > > (1) (i), meaning that short of an approved MMEL or ferry permit, > every > > > > > > stinking light bulb must work every time, including the one on the > > > coffee > > > warmer. > > > A piston airplane can revert to 91.205 parigraph (b) - > (f) > > > This is > > > the MEL for a part 91, piston airplane. Part 135 airplanes MEL is > found > > > in > > > 135.159, 161, 163. > > > Hope this helps. jb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelly Piper > > AirMatrix > > 17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D > > Arlington, WA 98223 > > Tel: 360-435-7343 > > Mob: 425-231-2311 > > kellyp@air-matrix.com > > www.air-matrix.com > > > > > > > > > > Kelly Piper AirMatrix 17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D Arlington, WA 98223 Tel: 360-435-7343 Mob: 425-231-2311 kellyp@air-matrix.com www.air-matrix.com