---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/05/03: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:43 PM - Confessions (Chris Schuermann) 2. 06:59 PM - Re: Confessions (Bill Hamilton) 3. 07:15 PM - Re: Confessions (Bruce Campbell) 4. 07:49 PM - Re: Confessions (Jim Addington) 5. 08:03 PM - Re: Confessions (n414c) 6. 10:29 PM - Re: Confessions (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:13 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann I suppose it's time to confess my sins... I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and all - but sez Apache) No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me. Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and without a heater. chris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:20 PM PST US From: Bill Hamilton Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton Yep, Apache 235, no less, and not a bad old ship, but an Aero Commander it ain't. And if you paid any more than about $15,000, ( unless it is stacked with this week's latest Garmin) you got done. Cheers, Bill hamilton. At 08:49 PM 5/01/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > >I suppose it's time to confess my sins... >I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. > >I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't >quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and >all - but sez Apache) >No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me. > >Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and >returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and >without a heater. > >chris > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:55 PM PST US From: "Bruce Campbell" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" The 235 is a fine plane. Aome pepole would call the Aztec ( which is essentially the same) as one of the homeliest, most get-you-there aircraft ever built. But I understand they have a significant AD history which can lead to breathtaking annuals. IS this one of those canards, like the similar complaint about commanders and v-tail bonanzas? Bruce campbell ac52 n4186b "fly coastie!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" Subject: Commander-List: Confessions > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins... > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and > all - but sez Apache) > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me. > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and > without a heater. > > chris > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:06 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" Glad to see you got it. Those old planes are fine if you keep it inside what it was designed for. Most of those old planes got a bad reputation because tlhey had roomy cockpits and people would load them down and then fill the extra fuel tanks full and would be way over gross and then wonder why they would not fly well. I thank you will enjoy it. Jim Add N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris Schuermann Subject: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann I suppose it's time to confess my sins... I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and all - but sez Apache) No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me. Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and without a heater. chris ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:08 PM PST US From: "n414c" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" If I didn't own a commander I would own an Apache. You will just have to fly upside down so that the wings are in the correct position relative to the fuselage. Milt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" Subject: Commander-List: Confessions > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins... > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and > all - but sez Apache) > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me. > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and > without a heater. > > chris > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:42 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com Well, congratulations (even if you did drift to the "dark side") I flew an Aztec that was purchased just for the engines for another project. It arrived with several hours of fuel in the tanks so I decided to take the "crew" out and burn the tanks dry and show them why we ME pilots are such hot stuff. I had never flown one before but by the time I got back, I was impressed. I simply couldn't make it misbehave. The other guys, all SEL pilots had no trouble flying it on one and we really worked it over. You chose a good, safe twin. Fly safe. jb