---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/07/03: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:59 AM - Re: Confessions (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 2. 07:10 AM - Re: Confessions (Phil Stubbs) 3. 08:44 AM - T-28's, wind damage (Barry Hancock) 4. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Phone numbers (Todd Hindmarsh) 5. 02:09 PM - Re: Confessions (Bill Hamilton) 6. 02:52 PM - Re: Confessions (Tom Fisher) 7. 08:29 PM - GREAT FLIGHT (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:47 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an Apache 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly. Not too pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called it the "Potato". Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" Subject: Commander-List: Confessions > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins... > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and > all - but sez Apache) > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me. > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and > without a heater. > > chris > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:26 AM PST US From: "Phil Stubbs" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial #14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded us up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one engine you can handle anything." Great trainer. Phil Stubbs br549phil@mindspring.com Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA > To: > Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > > Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an Apache > 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly. Not too > pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called it the > "Potato". > > Randy Dettmer > 680F/N6253X > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Schuermann" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Confessions > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins... > > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. > > > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't > > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and > > all - but sez Apache) > > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me. > > > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and > > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and > > without a heater. > > > > chris > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:44 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: T-28's, wind damage From: Barry Hancock --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > but > then again I say the same thing .about the handling of my AT-28D. You've never flown a CJ, have you? :) You taking your Trojan to OSH this year? I'd hate to see us lowly CJ drivers put up more ships than the the T-28's and T-6's *again*... :) Actually, I'd love to see 50 CJ's, 50 T-28's, 50 T-6's and 50 T-34's all in the air at the same time this year. Though I'd hate to be lead trying to hit the criss-cross with 500 ft separation! As for my Commander, 80 mph Santa Ana's ripped the tail hook and main gear tie down ring right out of 680E. Luckily no further damage. Chino looks like a war zone... Barry Hancock 949.300.5510 www.allredstar.com California Condors Squadron "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:20 AM PST US From: "Todd Hindmarsh" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Phone numbers --> Commander-List message posted by: "Todd Hindmarsh" Richard, Don't know if these are still good, but give them a try. Mikes A/C Fuel Metering Service, Inc. 9406 E. 46th Street North Tulsa, OK 74117 (918) 838-6217 (918) 838-7047 fax or PRECISION AIRMOTIVE ($75/hr) 3220-100th Street, SW #E Everett, WA 98204 (360) 651-8282 (425) 347-2800 Manuals -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RnJThompson@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Re: Phone numbers --> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com Hi All, Thanks to those that replied to my carb questions. Can anyone give me the phone no of Mikes fuel. Regards, Richard ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:10 PM PST US From: Bill Hamilton Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton All, Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi engine in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side. All say after me, "Aaaah, the good old days". Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 10:09 AM 7/01/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" > >Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial >#14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex >under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded us >up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one >engine you can handle anything." Great trainer. > >Phil Stubbs >br549phil@mindspring.com >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA > > To: > > Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > > > > > Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an Apache > > 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly. Not >too > > pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called it >the > > "Potato". > > > > Randy Dettmer > > 680F/N6253X > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Schuermann" > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Confessions > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > > > > > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins... > > > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. > > > > > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't > > > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and > > > all - but sez Apache) > > > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem >me. > > > > > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and > > > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and > > > without a heater. > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:54 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Hells Bells, I also did my "multi" in an Apache back in 1967 but I can't remember what HP the engines were. I don't think I cared at that stage of my career. All I can remember that it was an ugly airplane and flew like a brick. I also remember that it was easier to keep up the thrust until touch down rather than deal with the sudden and exciting drop to the tarmac when the throttles were retarded to idle. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hamilton" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions > --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton > > All, > Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi engine > in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side. > All say after me, "Aaaah, the good old days". > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton. > > > At 10:09 AM 7/01/03 -0500, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" > > > >Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial > >#14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex > >under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded us > >up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one > >engine you can handle anything." Great trainer. > > > >Phil Stubbs > >br549phil@mindspring.com > >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA > > > To: > > > Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" > > > > > > > > Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an Apache > > > 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly. Not > >too > > > pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called it > >the > > > "Potato". > > > > > > Randy Dettmer > > > 680F/N6253X > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Schuermann" > > > To: > > > Subject: Commander-List: Confessions > > > > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins... > > > > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me. > > > > > > > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't > > > > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and > > > > all - but sez Apache) > > > > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem > >me. > > > > > > > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and > > > > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and > > > > without a heater. > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:22 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: GREAT FLIGHT --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. Had another really great, no, inspirational flight in tripe 2 today. It was the same old SEA and back but the air is crystal clear and not a bump!! Went over at 5.5, 39 minutes with a ground speed of 202 @ 2600 X 33. Nice approach from the East side int BFI and the ground controller was my boat buddy! I was up there to do an emergncy repair on the boat. My neighbor called to tell me the 60MPH windstorm they had a few days ago had damaged my canvas. It turned out to be an easy fix (Praise God, I cant handel another baot deal just now) so that made the flight worth it. I wanted to take a look at a 690 on the field for Milt, but wasn't able, next trip, next Monday. Left at 6pm, dark. What a wonderful ride out!! Clear and smooth and beautiful. I could see PDX from 75 miles out. Made 197 on the return flight 6.5 same power. Great night landing on our 2300 foot strip with an east wind. Home for supper, what a county!! Hope all is well in Commanderland. jb