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1. 01:07 AM - A great day in OzCommanderland! (Russell Legg)
2. 03:11 AM - Looking for Milt's Contact information (ProgSearch@aol.com)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: Looking for Milt's Contact information (n414c)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: GREAT FLIGHT (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
5. 07:39 AM - Big engines (Barry Hancock)
6. 09:12 AM - Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: GREAT FLIGHT (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 11:28 AM - Re: Confessions (Bow)
9. 11:55 AM - 681 Century Conversion (Kerry Johnson)
10. 12:05 PM - Re: 681 Century Conversion (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
11. 01:20 PM - Re: 681 Century Conversion (Kerry Johnson)
12. 02:16 PM - Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! (Barry Collman)
13. 02:28 PM - Re: 681 Century Conversion (CloudCraft@aol.com)
14. 03:55 PM - Re: 681 Century Conversion (Kerry Johnson)
15. 04:54 PM - Re: Big engines (Bill Hamilton)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! (Bill Hamilton)
17. 05:29 PM - Re: Big engines (Tom Fisher)
18. 05:44 PM - Re: 681 Century Conversion (CloudCraft@aol.com)
19. 05:51 PM - [Fw: aerocommander parts for sale] (Chris Schuermann)
20. 11:29 PM - Re: 681 Century Conversion (STOLHorse@aol.com)
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| Subject: | A great day in OzCommanderland! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
G'day all!
Today saw the first flight of Commander 690B VH-TSS ex N101RG at Essendon
Airport in Melbourne Victoria. As N101RG, the aircraft was ferried to
Essendon back in November '01 ex Tulsa Oklahoma. Some of you might know
N101RG.
This machine is the very first Renaissance conversion to be completed in Oz
and indeed I believe the first Renaissance to be completed outside the
USA...Sir Barry??
Congratulations to Steve Nott and the team at General Aviation Maintenance
for a great project.
A second Renaissance conversion is being planned to begin over the next few
months and let's hope that a steady stream continues...I am sure the folks
at TCAC will be jubilant...watch out for a future issue of TCAC Flight
Levels.
Cheers and champagne
Russell
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| Subject: | Looking for Milt's Contact information |
--> Commander-List message posted by: ProgSearch@aol.com
Was hoping to get a hold of Milt. Does anyone have his contact info?
Thank You,
Kevin Coons
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for Milt's Contact information |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "n414c" <n414c@direcway.com>
Kevin,
You can contact me at N414C@ direcway.com
Home 601-276-9334
Office 601-6844111
Cellular 601-606-7032
Milt
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From: <ProgSearch@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Looking for Milt's Contact information
> --> Commander-List message posted by: ProgSearch@aol.com
>
> Was hoping to get a hold of Milt. Does anyone have his contact info?
>
>
> Thank You,
> Kevin Coons
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| Subject: | Re: GREAT FLIGHT |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Thanks Jim for the report...really enjoy your descriptions of great flights
in triple 2.
Had one myself on Monday...hopped in my 680F with 2 buddies and our ski gear
for an 0630 departure from SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) and a crystal clear
flight at 10.5 to TRK (Truckee, CA) The Sierra's looked like you could touch
them from a hundred miles away, with the sun rising behind them. We were on
the slopes of Northstar Ski Resort by 0900...beautiful skiing all day in
great conditions, then back in the Commander to lift off at 1730 for a
gorgeous night flight back to SBP with the western horizon glowing orange,
lights below twinkling, and the stars shinning above. Wow...what an flight.
We are blessed to have access to these wonderful machines that bring such
incredible experineces into our lives.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: GREAT FLIGHT
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Had another really great, no, inspirational flight in
tripe 2
> today. It was the same old SEA and back but the air is crystal clear and
not
> a bump!! Went over at 5.5, 39 minutes with a ground speed of 202 @ 2600 X
> 33. Nice approach from the East side int BFI and the ground controller
was
> my boat buddy!
> I was up there to do an emergncy repair on the boat. My neighbor
> called to tell me the 60MPH windstorm they had a few days ago had damaged
my
> canvas. It turned out to be an easy fix (Praise God, I cant handel
another
> baot deal just now) so that made the flight worth it.
> I wanted to take a look at a 690 on the field for Milt, but wasn't
> able, next trip, next Monday.
> Left at 6pm, dark. What a wonderful ride out!! Clear and smooth
and
> beautiful. I could see PDX from 75 miles out. Made 197 on the return
flight
> 6.5 same power. Great night landing on our 2300 foot strip with an east
> wind. Home for supper, what a county!! Hope all is well in
Commanderland.
> jb
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi
> engine
> in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
Yeah, big enough to get you to the scene of the accident *faster*! :)
All praise to GSO-480's!
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/8/03 1:07:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rlegg@austarnet.com.au writes:
> Cheers and champagne
>
YIPPEE!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: GREAT FLIGHT |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/8/03 6:52:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer@charter.net writes:
> We are blessed to have access to these wonderful machines that bring such
> incredible experineces into our lives.
>
AMEN, AMEN...What a great trip, thanks for sharing it. When I read the old
magazine ads I collect, it also helps me to realize, just as you said, how
blessed we are to have access to these great airplanes. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bow" <w.bow@att.net>
I got 1 hour of training in a 160 Apache. I was getting some instruction
from a National Airlines Captain, (1)whose instructor certificate was non
current, (2)in an airplane he had sold to a buddy (he hadn't gotten all the
money yet),(3)insurance had expired, (4)gear warning horn and light didn't
work.
It took me 20 years to admit to it, but THEY LAND REAL SOFT WITH THE GEAR IN
THE WELL.
and they are real easy to get out of when you think they are on fire.
He and I are still good friends.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton
<fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
>
> All,
> Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi
engine
> in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
> All say after me, "Aaaah, the good old days".
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 10:09 AM 7/01/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs"
<br549phil@mindspring.com>
> >
> >Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial
> >#14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex
> >under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded
us
> >up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one
> >engine you can handle anything." Great trainer.
> >
> >Phil Stubbs
> >br549phil@mindspring.com
> >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
> > >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
> ><rcdettmer@charter.net>
> > >
> > > Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an
Apache
> > > 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly.
Not
> >too
> > > pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called
it
> >the
> > > "Potato".
> > >
> > > Randy Dettmer
> > > 680F/N6253X
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
> > > <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
> > > >
> > > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> > > > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
> > > >
> > > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache.
Havn't
> > > > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail
and
> > > > all - but sez Apache)
> > > > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps
redeem
> >me.
> > > >
> > > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> > > > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> > > > without a heater.
> > > >
> > > > chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | 681 Century Conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
Hi all,
I spent most of last Sunday with Morris Kernick in Hayward CA. what a great
guy. We looked over his 680 FLP as well as a Shrike he just purchased, but
after lots of conversation and thinking about it, Morris suggested we look
for a 681 with the Century conversion. Morris thinks that is the best plane
for our needs and I'm sure Morris knows a lot more than I do, so I'm
inclined to listen to him. I see three of these planes in the Controller and
one of them looks pretty good, so Morris will be checking it out for us, as
well as a couple of other birds he knows about.
Does anyone here have any experience with or time in one of these birds? I'm
wondering about real world cruise, climb, useful load, fuel flow and
maintenance. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
I have no turbine time, I have around 2200 TT, with 1500 of that being in
pressurized piston twins (58P Baron, B60 Duke & 601P Aerostar). My insurance
company says no problem getting insurance as long as I continue my yearly
training program, I just need to get an initial in the 681.
Kerry Johnson
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| Subject: | Re: 681 Century Conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
I am also interested in a Century 681, as an upgrade from my 680F. (Morris
and I have also had similar disscussions...) With projects in Colorado,
Idaho, Washington, and California, my transportation needs are starting to
suggest something "higher & faster". I would also like to know about real
world numbers for the 681.
Good luck with your search for a new plane Kerry. Please keep me informed
about your progress.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 681 Century Conversion
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson"
<kerry@kvelectric.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I spent most of last Sunday with Morris Kernick in Hayward CA. what a
great
> guy. We looked over his 680 FLP as well as a Shrike he just purchased, but
> after lots of conversation and thinking about it, Morris suggested we look
> for a 681 with the Century conversion. Morris thinks that is the best
plane
> for our needs and I'm sure Morris knows a lot more than I do, so I'm
> inclined to listen to him. I see three of these planes in the Controller
and
> one of them looks pretty good, so Morris will be checking it out for us,
as
> well as a couple of other birds he knows about.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with or time in one of these birds?
I'm
> wondering about real world cruise, climb, useful load, fuel flow and
> maintenance. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have no turbine time, I have around 2200 TT, with 1500 of that being in
> pressurized piston twins (58P Baron, B60 Duke & 601P Aerostar). My
insurance
> company says no problem getting insurance as long as I continue my yearly
> training program, I just need to get an initial in the 681.
>
> Kerry Johnson
>
>
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| Subject: | 681 Century Conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
Randy,
Sounds like we have somewhat similar needs. We are operating a C210 and an
Aerostar 601P right now, with most of the demand for the 601P. As I
understand it, we will not gain much speed going to a 681, but we will gain
much needed room and seating capacity. Our 601P likes the low 20's or high
teens and will give us consistent 220-230 KTAS and 32-34 GPH at those
altitudes. Morris indicated we would see around 240 KTAS and 72GPH in a 681.
If this is true, we will only gain 10 or 20 knots for double the fuel flow.
Hmmm, maybe we would be better of with an additional 601P... just kidding.
If we did get another 601P, I would have to see those kooky clone people
about making a clone of me.
Anyway, it would be nice to hear from someone who actually operates a 681.
Kerry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 681 Century Conversion
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
<rcdettmer@charter.net>
I am also interested in a Century 681, as an upgrade from my 680F. (Morris
and I have also had similar disscussions...) With projects in Colorado,
Idaho, Washington, and California, my transportation needs are starting to
suggest something "higher & faster". I would also like to know about real
world numbers for the 681.
Good luck with your search for a new plane Kerry. Please keep me informed
about your progress.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 681 Century Conversion
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson"
<kerry@kvelectric.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I spent most of last Sunday with Morris Kernick in Hayward CA. what a
great
> guy. We looked over his 680 FLP as well as a Shrike he just purchased, but
> after lots of conversation and thinking about it, Morris suggested we look
> for a 681 with the Century conversion. Morris thinks that is the best
plane
> for our needs and I'm sure Morris knows a lot more than I do, so I'm
> inclined to listen to him. I see three of these planes in the Controller
and
> one of them looks pretty good, so Morris will be checking it out for us,
as
> well as a couple of other birds he knows about.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with or time in one of these birds?
I'm
> wondering about real world cruise, climb, useful load, fuel flow and
> maintenance. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have no turbine time, I have around 2200 TT, with 1500 of that being in
> pressurized piston twins (58P Baron, B60 Duke & 601P Aerostar). My
insurance
> company says no problem getting insurance as long as I continue my yearly
> training program, I just need to get an initial in the 681.
>
> Kerry Johnson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Russell,
Well, that must be the very first Grand Renaissance to have been completed
outside of the USA.
Congratulations to Steve Nott and his team.
No doubt Australian Fishing Enterprises Pty Ltd. are itching to get their hands
on it at long last.
If you get the chance to find out what number 690B it is to receive the GR
makeover, I'll be really grateful. Last one I knew of was 690B-08 back in
November 2001.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Commander-List: A great day in OzCommanderland!
| --> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
|
| G'day all!
|
| Today saw the first flight of Commander 690B VH-TSS ex N101RG at Essendon
| Airport in Melbourne Victoria. As N101RG, the aircraft was ferried to
| Essendon back in November '01 ex Tulsa Oklahoma. Some of you might know
| N101RG.
|
| This machine is the very first Renaissance conversion to be completed in Oz
| and indeed I believe the first Renaissance to be completed outside the
| USA...Sir Barry??
|
| Congratulations to Steve Nott and the team at General Aviation Maintenance
| for a great project.
|
| A second Renaissance conversion is being planned to begin over the next few
| months and let's hope that a steady stream continues...I am sure the folks
| at TCAC will be jubilant...watch out for a future issue of TCAC Flight
| Levels.
|
|
| Cheers and champagne
|
| Russell
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: 681 Century Conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 01/08/03 13:21:07 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry@kvelectric.com writes:
> Our 601P likes the low 20's or high
> teens and will give us consistent 220-230 KTAS and 32-34 GPH at those
> altitudes. Morris indicated we would see around 240 KTAS and 72GPH in a
> 681.
> If this is true, we will only gain 10 or 20 knots for double the fuel flow.
>
And why do you think Ted Smith was so proud of the AeroStar?!!???
True: You will not gain much performance over a TS-601P, but you will gain
cabin and baggabe volume.
True: Your fuel burn will double, but your fuel price will go way down if you
shop Jet-A aggressively.
You get reverse thrust for landing and taxiing.
If you're looking for a Quantum leap in performance, you have to find a
Century 681.
Kerry, Randy, it's been a very long time since I've been in a 680-turbine
model. That's my disclaimer. Morris cruise values are correct, but look
like a Century airplane to me. I don't have as much faith in a -43BL
(original) powered model, unless they are fresh out of o/h and it's ISA-10.
Ask Morris about engine support. The -43BL is a bit of a step child in the
eyes of HoneywellAlliedSignalGarrettAiResearch (or who ever they are this
week.) At one time,
Mr. Robert R. Hancock
President
Hancock Enterprises, Inc.
3565 Central Pike
Hermitage TN 37076
800-331-4217
615-391-0606 fax 615-872-0527
<A HREF="http://hancockenterprises.com/artman/index.htm">Welcome to Hancock Enterprises
TPE331 Specialists
was really the only -43 shop around. Someone else may have sprung up since.
If the ship you're looking at is a Century, you have more engine mx options.
Once you get the engine support thing worked out, the 681 is a bitchin'
airplane.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | 681 Century Conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
Thanks WCG,
I don't think we will even consider a BL powered 681, we are only looking at
Century Conversions. There is what looks to be a pretty nice one here:
http://www.aircraft.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?guid=e00wwm4i&pcid=12262
16&etid=1&OHID=1054434&nh=0
And, it only 150 NM away, so it will be easy to go kick the tires.
I understand about the JetA pricing and if we do end up with a 681, we will
be looking for some contract fuel vendors. We really do need the extra room,
an Aerostar is quite comfortable for four, but it's pretty tight for five
and down right sardine city for six. There are many trips we would like to
take 6 people besides the pilot and the 681 looks like it will do that with
style.
Morris was also telling me about a -6 conversion that can be done to a
Century 681. This was of interest, because two of the 681's we are going to
look at have less than 1000 hours before they hit the 5400 hour mark. Morris
thinks there should be a good supply of -6 parts available due to the
many -10 conversions. At least that's what I think Morris was saying and as
I understand it, a -6 Century is basically a 690 with a plexiglass
windshield and on condition maintenance. Now That would be a BITCHIN
airplane!
KJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 681 Century Conversion
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 01/08/03 13:21:07 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry@kvelectric.com writes:
> Our 601P likes the low 20's or high
> teens and will give us consistent 220-230 KTAS and 32-34 GPH at those
> altitudes. Morris indicated we would see around 240 KTAS and 72GPH in a
> 681.
> If this is true, we will only gain 10 or 20 knots for double the fuel
flow.
>
And why do you think Ted Smith was so proud of the AeroStar?!!???
True: You will not gain much performance over a TS-601P, but you will gain
cabin and baggabe volume.
True: Your fuel burn will double, but your fuel price will go way down if
you
shop Jet-A aggressively.
You get reverse thrust for landing and taxiing.
If you're looking for a Quantum leap in performance, you have to find a
Century 681.
Kerry, Randy, it's been a very long time since I've been in a 680-turbine
model. That's my disclaimer. Morris cruise values are correct, but look
like a Century airplane to me. I don't have as much faith in a -43BL
(original) powered model, unless they are fresh out of o/h and it's ISA-10.
Ask Morris about engine support. The -43BL is a bit of a step child in the
eyes of HoneywellAlliedSignalGarrettAiResearch (or who ever they are this
week.) At one time,
Mr. Robert R. Hancock
President
Hancock Enterprises, Inc.
3565 Central Pike
Hermitage TN 37076
800-331-4217
615-391-0606 fax 615-872-0527
<A HREF="http://hancockenterprises.com/artman/index.htm">Welcome to Hancock
Enterprises TPE331 Specialists
was really the only -43 shop around. Someone else may have sprung up since.
If the ship you're looking at is a Century, you have more engine mx options.
Once you get the engine support thing worked out, the 681 is a bitchin'
airplane.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
All,
That's the truth.
I have a set of wonderful photographs of where a 160 hp Apache went through
a barn roof and wound up in a field, rather a mess, as a result of an
attempted training overshoot, one feathered, gear and flap down.
Didn't work.
Fortunately only cuts and bruises for the two SOB.
This occurred at Biggin Hill, Kent, UK, in 1963, the instructor was the
Chief Pilot of the UK Piper agents of the day, and a graduate of the RAF
Test Pilot School. He found out the hard way that the laws of physics apply
to us all.
Just like some of the old '30's Hollywood movies, the hole is the roof of
the barn was, literally, Apache shaped.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 07:38 AM 8/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
>On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Commander-List Digest Server
>wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi
> > engine
> > in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
>
>Yeah, big enough to get you to the scene of the accident *faster*! :)
>
>All praise to GSO-480's!
>
>Barry Hancock
>949.300.5510
>www.allredstar.com
>California Condors Squadron
>"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
All,
If you really want to see "better than new" Shrikes etc, you really should
see the standard of work turned out by General Aviation Maintenance, Steve
Knott, I have been most impressed, and after 40 years in aviation, I don't
impress easily.
If anyone has a big rebuild to do, given the relative values of the US
versus the Australian $$$, for any Turbo Commander it could make sense to
get a quote from him, and the ferry across the Pacific could be a lot of fun.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 10:19 PM 8/01/03 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hi Russell,
>
>Well, that must be the very first Grand Renaissance to have been completed
>outside of the USA.
>
>Congratulations to Steve Nott and his team.
>
>No doubt Australian Fishing Enterprises Pty Ltd. are itching to get their
>hands
>on it at long last.
>
>If you get the chance to find out what number 690B it is to receive the GR
>makeover, I'll be really grateful. Last one I knew of was 690B-08 back in
>November 2001.
>
>Very Best Regards,
>
>Barry
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: A great day in OzCommanderland!
>
>
>| --> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
>|
>| G'day all!
>|
>| Today saw the first flight of Commander 690B VH-TSS ex N101RG at Essendon
>| Airport in Melbourne Victoria. As N101RG, the aircraft was ferried to
>| Essendon back in November '01 ex Tulsa Oklahoma. Some of you might know
>| N101RG.
>|
>| This machine is the very first Renaissance conversion to be completed in Oz
>| and indeed I believe the first Renaissance to be completed outside the
>| USA...Sir Barry??
>|
>| Congratulations to Steve Nott and the team at General Aviation Maintenance
>| for a great project.
>|
>| A second Renaissance conversion is being planned to begin over the next few
>| months and let's hope that a steady stream continues...I am sure the folks
>| at TCAC will be jubilant...watch out for a future issue of TCAC Flight
>| Levels.
>|
>|
>| Cheers and champagne
>|
>| Russell
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I'd only want to do that at a three thousand foot deck.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Big engines
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton
<fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
>
> All,
> That's the truth.
> I have a set of wonderful photographs of where a 160 hp Apache went
through
> a barn roof and wound up in a field, rather a mess, as a result of an
> attempted training overshoot, one feathered, gear and flap down.
>
> Didn't work.
>
> Fortunately only cuts and bruises for the two SOB.
>
> This occurred at Biggin Hill, Kent, UK, in 1963, the instructor was the
> Chief Pilot of the UK Piper agents of the day, and a graduate of the RAF
> Test Pilot School. He found out the hard way that the laws of physics
apply
> to us all.
>
> Just like some of the old '30's Hollywood movies, the hole is the roof of
> the barn was, literally, Apache shaped.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 07:38 AM 8/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> >
> >
> >On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Commander-List Digest Server
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi
> > > engine
> > > in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
> >
> >Yeah, big enough to get you to the scene of the accident *faster*! :)
> >
> >All praise to GSO-480's!
> >
> >Barry Hancock
> >949.300.5510
> >www.allredstar.com
> >California Condors Squadron
> >"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 681 Century Conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 01/08/03 15:58:18 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry@kvelectric.com writes:
>
> I don't think we will even consider a BL powered 681, we are only looking
> at
> Century Conversions. There is what looks to be a pretty nice one here:
Now that's a handsome 681. No wonder. It's owned by David Maytag.
I thought I recognized Century performance figures in what you quoted, but
had to make sure, and thus my -43BL rant.
Not familiar with the -6 conversion, unless you're referring to what's known
as the "Super Dave" mod which is the -6 compressor section fitted to the -1
engine. I hear it's quite the performance boost.
Go for it and work with Morris on the pre-buy. A turbine airplane purchase
is more of a log book audit than anything.
If you get it, I'll introduce you to a contract fuel company I work with.
Good luck!
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | [Fwd: aerocommander parts for sale] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <chris@skymaster.c2-tech.com>
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: aerocommander parts for sale
From: Eric Cayer <eric.cayer@hauts-monts.ca>
we have parts for commander 680 for sale you can call me at
418-877-3772 or 1-800-893-3773
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| Subject: | Re: 681 Century Conversion |
--> Commander-List message posted by: STOLHorse@aol.com
Hi gang,
This is my first post since rejoining the list. I got off when all the virus
stuff was out of control and I have been lurking for just the past couple of
weeks.
Well, if you're going to start talking about my airplane, I guess I'll have
to join in the discussion. The 681 Century is a great buy for the money in
my opinion. (Compare it to the twin-Cessnas you can get for the same money.)
Morris was close but, in my experience, I plan on about 242 kts if it is
warm out (like plus 15 or more) and about 247-250 knots this time of year.
It burns about 64 gals per hour at those speeds between 18 and 21 thousand.
It doesn't pay to fly it much higher because the speeds will start to come
down - especially if it is warm out. It will go 250 or better in the mid
teens all year round but the fuel burn is up in the 70's. The -1's are
really good engines and they are still supported by Honeywell. I've heard
that the -6 or super Dave mod will make the plane go 280 or so but it costs
about $40,000 each if you do it at overhaul.
Randy and Kerry, I'd be happy to answer any questions about my airplane if
you want to call or email me. I just don't use it near enough to justify it.
And I thought I could justify anything!
It's good to be back on the list.
Regards,
David
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