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1. 05:27 AM - Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted (Barry Collman)
2. 05:27 AM - Aero Commander panels (Barry Collman)
3. 05:57 AM - Re:Aero Commander panels (alh1@juno.com)
4. 06:14 AM - argentina commanders (alh1@juno.com)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Re:Aero Commander panels (Barry Collman)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: argentina commanders (Barry Collman)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: Aero Commander panels (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: Aero Commander panels (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
9. 09:50 AM - Re: Aero Commander panels (Jim Addington)
10. 10:52 AM - Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted (Martini Luc J.R.)
11. 12:42 PM - Re: Re:Aero Commander panels (Nico van Niekerk)
12. 02:01 PM - Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted (MarcioK@aol.com)
13. 02:10 PM - Re: NEWSLETTERS (CloudCraft@aol.com)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted (Barry Collman)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: NEWSLETTERS (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
16. 06:29 PM - Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted (Martini Luc J.R.)
17. 09:47 PM - Re: Aero Commander panels (Derek Monk)
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Luc,
The Model 560 had GO-480 series engines. Initially, they were the -B variant,
and later were -B1C.
However, almost all of these had three-blade props, with HC-83X20 hubs and 8433
blades (and 84 inch diameter).
The Model 560A had GO-480-D1A engines with HC-83X20 hubs and 8433 blades.
The Model 560A(HC) and 560E had GO-480-C1B6 or -G1B6 engines, but these too had
HC-83X20 series hubs, but now with 8833-2 blades (i.e. 86 inch diameter).
I've not found any Commanders with 10133 blades.........................yet!
Which Model Commander do you have?
Best Regards to All,
Barry C.
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From: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini@foxinternet.net>
Subject: Commander-List: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Martini Luc J.R."
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| I have been told that the early aerocommanders used the GO-480 engine. Is
that a correct statement. I know that these engines were also STC'd for the
Navion, and I believe some Beech aircraft.
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| I am looking for a set of 10133 blades (about 96 inch big boys) which would
have fit on these engines using hub HC-82X20- or HC-A2-X20- . I did notice
that somebody on the list indicated that the Military had used this prop on
their commanders
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| if anybody out there knows where to get some of these blades... Give me a
holler.
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| Thanks
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| Luc Martini... I need a double about now!
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| Subject: | Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi guys,
I'm wondering whether any of you have got some pictures of original Commander
instrument panels. Could be that brochures or manuals have a shot.
If so, we're looking for examples for the Model 680 and 500S for the FlightSim
guys. It would be helpful if an indication of the year could be given too, as
obviously these panels evolve somewhat as technology leapt forward.
Up until now, 99.99% of my 8,600+ photo records are external views!!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C. (UK)
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: alh1@juno.com
barry, i just bought another commander, n6289B and it has the original panel and
paint. i have started to redo everything in anticipation of reselling it in
the near future. i will get as many pictures as i can and send them on. it
is orange and white and looks just like the brochures. the radios are all in
a little panel in the glareshield, but the actual radios were in the rack in the
back. anything else you would like, let me know as we have already started
work on it. my other 500 was originally n6287B so they came out of the factory
together. i changed it to n628ah for obvious reasons. al hoffman
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| Subject: | argentina commanders |
--> Commander-List message posted by: alh1@juno.com
barry, did you ever get the information on the commanders that you wanted in argentina?
i have been so busy, i have not been able to follow up. they were 500U's
but were in questionable condition, especially with regard to the spar ad.
i may go back this spring and I could get more information if there is something
specific. I also met a lineman from North Perry Airport at the chevron
on the north side of the field that was familiar with what he told me were several
690's on the ground in venezuela. he was from there and probably could
get more information on those planes. apparently the government had them for
drug smuggling. if you are interested i could ask the next time i am down there
or maybe someone from ft. lauderdale could stop by and ask. al hoffman
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Al,
Many thanks. Any photos of panels would be useful, especially if we know the
Model and the era. Of course, with instrumentation having got better as the
years rolled by, it's probably going to be difficult to get hold of shots of the
original, ex-factory set-ups.
A straight 500 will be great, as that is one of the Models the guys are doing
later!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1@juno.com>
Subject: Re:Commander-List: Aero Commander panels
| --> Commander-List message posted by: alh1@juno.com
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| barry, i just bought another commander, n6289B and it has the original panel
and paint. i have started to redo everything in anticipation of reselling it in
the near future. i will get as many pictures as i can and send them on. it is
orange and white and looks just like the brochures. the radios are all in a
little panel in the glareshield, but the actual radios were in the rack in the
back. anything else you would like, let me know as we have already started work
on it. my other 500 was originally n6287B so they came out of the factory
together. i changed it to n628ah for obvious reasons. al hoffman
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| Subject: | Re: argentina commanders |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi again Al,
I emailed the guy in Argentina, but had no reply. However, a report I've just
received said that 500B-1026-37, LV-HCM, was noted at Quilmes in March 2002 and
was reported as being 'withdrawn from use'.
So, anything you could try and get on either Argentinian or Venezuelan
Commanders will be really great.
As you can no doubt imagine, it's pretty difficult getting any info from south
of the Texas border.
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1@juno.com>
Subject: Commander-List: argentina commanders
| --> Commander-List message posted by: alh1@juno.com
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| barry, did you ever get the information on the commanders that you wanted in
argentina? i have been so busy, i have not been able to follow up. they were
500U's but were in questionable condition, especially with regard to the spar
ad. i may go back this spring and I could get more information if there is
something specific. I also met a lineman from North Perry Airport at the
chevron on the north side of the field that was familiar with what he told me
were several 690's on the ground in venezuela. he was from there and probably
could get more information on those planes. apparently the government had them
for drug smuggling. if you are interested i could ask the next time i am down
there or maybe someone from ft. lauderdale could stop by and ask. al hoffman
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/26/03 5:27:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> I'm wondering whether any of you have got some pictures of original
> Commander
> instrument panels. Could be that brochures or manuals have a shot.
I have an original 680 panel from a wonderful 1957 brochure. jb I may have
a photo from a magazine article on the 500S ?? jb
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/26/03 5:58:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, alh1@juno.com
writes:
> barry, i just bought another commander, n6289B and it has the original panel
> and paint. i have started to redo everything in anticipation of reselling
> it in the near future. i will get as many pictures as i can and send them
> on. it is orange and white and looks just like the brochures. the radios
> are all in a little panel in the glareshield, but the actual radios were in
> the rack in the back. anything else you would like, let me know as we have
> already started work on it. my other 500 was originally n6287B so they
> came out of the factory together. i changed it to n628ah for obvious
> reasons. al hoffman
>
Remember I have an STC for your propellers!! jb
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| Subject: | Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Barry,
There is a fairly good panel picture of a 500A panel on page 2 of the
magazine article I sent. It is a 1960 model.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander panels
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi guys,
I'm wondering whether any of you have got some pictures of original
Commander
instrument panels. Could be that brochures or manuals have a shot.
If so, we're looking for examples for the Model 680 and 500S for the
FlightSim
guys. It would be helpful if an indication of the year could be given too,
as
obviously these panels evolve somewhat as technology leapt forward.
Up until now, 99.99% of my 8,600+ photo records are external views!!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C. (UK)
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini@foxinternet.net>
Thanks for the input.
I don't have a commander... but a Dornier Do27, which uses the GO-480B1A6
and the 10133 blades. I was hoping some of the 2 blade commanders might
have the same blades.
Thanks again
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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> Hi Luc,
>
> The Model 560 had GO-480 series engines. Initially, they were the -B
variant,
> and later were -B1C.
>
> However, almost all of these had three-blade props, with HC-83X20 hubs and
8433
> blades (and 84 inch diameter).
>
> The Model 560A had GO-480-D1A engines with HC-83X20 hubs and 8433 blades.
>
> The Model 560A(HC) and 560E had GO-480-C1B6 or -G1B6 engines, but these
too had
> HC-83X20 series hubs, but now with 8833-2 blades (i.e. 86 inch diameter).
>
> I've not found any Commanders with 10133
blades.........................yet!
>
> Which Model Commander do you have?
>
> Best Regards to All,
>
> Barry C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini@foxinternet.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted
>
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> <martini@foxinternet.net>
Is
> that a correct statement. I know that these engines were also STC'd for
the
> Navion, and I believe some Beech aircraft.
would
> have fit on these engines using hub HC-82X20- or HC-A2-X20- . I did
notice
> that somebody on the list indicated that the Military had used this prop
on
> their commanders
a
> holler.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I have some video of my straight 500's panel with some new kit (HSI etc)
plugged into some of the holes, but it was pretty much standard at the time.
If you believe it would be useful, let me know.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re:Commander-List: Aero Commander panels
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Many thanks. Any photos of panels would be useful, especially if we know
the
> Model and the era. Of course, with instrumentation having got better as
the
> years rolled by, it's probably going to be difficult to get hold of shots
of the
> original, ex-factory set-ups.
>
> A straight 500 will be great, as that is one of the Models the guys are
doing
> later!
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <alh1@juno.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re:Commander-List: Aero Commander panels
>
>
panel
> and paint. i have started to redo everything in anticipation of reselling
it in
> the near future. i will get as many pictures as i can and send them on.
it is
> orange and white and looks just like the brochures. the radios are all in
a
> little panel in the glareshield, but the actual radios were in the rack in
the
> back. anything else you would like, let me know as we have already
started work
> on it. my other 500 was originally n6287B so they came out of the factory
> together. i changed it to n628ah for obvious reasons. al hoffman
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted |
--> Commander-List message posted by: MarcioK@aol.com
Luc, I think some Piaggios use those engines, maybe it's worth taking a look.
It's your props two-bladed ? In the prop blade number, 101 is the diameter in
inches, 33 is the basic model. If you say the diameter is 96 inches, I think
the complete number should be 10133 with a minus sign like 10133-5 (or -10,
I'm not quit sure. -5 would be too obvious, I think there's still some catch
on this rule).
But try calling Hartzell, they are surprisingly helpful people.
Phone No. is (937) 778-4379, and there's also their webpage
www.hartzellprop.com.
Lots of info there.
Good luck
Marcio
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 01/24/03 13:06:47 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com
writes:
> Their dissolution would have been a disaster for
> all GA but paretically Commanderland. There are several major contributors
>
> to out airplanes in this region, including the factory. I just received a
> letter from the feds stating that at least they are considering other
> options. Not exactly what we were hoping for, but certainly better that
> what
> they originally had planed for us. This is a really big deal and I will
> keep
> you posted.
>
Capt. JimBob,
Thank you so much for attending and representing Twin Commanders.
The FAA has been placing a lot of "clout" with owners' groups as our aircraft
age and the OEMs tend to forsake older models while pursuing certification of
new models.
The TCFG (as well as Cessna, Beech, Piper, etc.) owners' associations play a
key role in educating the FAA and in some cases, are tasked with
self-enforcing fixes that would otherwise become ADs.
Keep up the good work ... and if you're a Commander owner / operator/ want to
be, please join!
Wing Commander Gordon
PS: Looking forward to the news letter -- sounds like a great issue!
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi All,
Marcio is right. A '10133-5' prop should be 96" diameter. But, he's right again,
there are some deviations from the norm.
Another good source for info would be the FAA Type Certificate Data Sheets.
These have a pretty good search engine, so you should be able to find out more
info there. I'm pretty sure that typing in '10133' should pull up the relevant
Hartzell TCDS and sometimes these give aircraft/engine/prop approved
combinations.
Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <MarcioK@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted
| --> Commander-List message posted by: MarcioK@aol.com
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| Luc, I think some Piaggios use those engines, maybe it's worth taking a look.
| It's your props two-bladed ? In the prop blade number, 101 is the diameter in
| inches, 33 is the basic model. If you say the diameter is 96 inches, I think
| the complete number should be 10133 with a minus sign like 10133-5 (or -10,
| I'm not quit sure. -5 would be too obvious, I think there's still some catch
| on this rule).
| But try calling Hartzell, they are surprisingly helpful people.
| Phone No. is (937) 778-4379, and there's also their webpage
| www.hartzellprop.com.
| Lots of info there.
| Good luck
| Marcio
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/26/03 2:10:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> PS: Looking forward to the news letter -- sounds like a great issue!
>
Thanks for the kind words and it will be in Mondays mail!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini@foxinternet.net>
Thanks again.
Yest the Piaggio 149's used a GO-480 engine. However, I think they used the
Turbo 345 Hp version, which swung a 3 blade prop.
I did contact Hartzell last year. The guy I spoke with did not come up with
any information on what other airplanes used that prop.
Yes, the 96 inch has a few inches lobed off the end from the original 101
inches... the dash number on the end typically are -D3 or -N3, but I though
that referred to how much the Shank was reamed out.
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: <MarcioK@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480 engines??? 10133 Prop Blades Wanted
> --> Commander-List message posted by: MarcioK@aol.com
>
> Luc, I think some Piaggios use those engines, maybe it's worth taking a
look.
> It's your props two-bladed ? In the prop blade number, 101 is the diameter
in
> inches, 33 is the basic model. If you say the diameter is 96 inches, I
think
> the complete number should be 10133 with a minus sign like 10133-5
(or -10,
> I'm not quit sure. -5 would be too obvious, I think there's still some
catch
> on this rule).
> But try calling Hartzell, they are surprisingly helpful people.
> Phone No. is (937) 778-4379, and there's also their webpage
> www.hartzellprop.com.
> Lots of info there.
> Good luck
> Marcio
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander panels |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Derek Monk <britmonk@adelphia.net>
Hi Barry,
I have a few prints of original 500S cockpit instrumentation panels
under and after assembly at the factory. I have some 1969 thru' 75,
brochure pics too. Not much on the 680 so far but I'm still looking. It
will be about a week before I can scan them.
Derek Monk
Barry Collman wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I'm wondering whether any of you have got some pictures of original Commander
>instrument panels. Could be that brochures or manuals have a shot.
>
>If so, we're looking for examples for the Model 680 and 500S for the FlightSim
>guys. It would be helpful if an indication of the year could be given too, as
>obviously these panels evolve somewhat as technology leapt forward.
>
>Up until now, 99.99% of my 8,600+ photo records are external views!!
>
>Very Best Regards,
>
>Barry C. (UK)
>
>
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