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1. 09:54 AM - Columbia (Nico van Niekerk)
2. 11:38 AM - Re: Columbia (Tom Fisher)
3. 02:56 PM - Re: Columbia (Nico van Niekerk)
4. 05:21 PM - Re: Columbia (John D Williams)
5. 05:25 PM - Re: Columbia (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
6. 05:32 PM - Re: Columbia (J.R. Sprayberry)
7. 06:53 PM - Re: Columbia (Nico van Niekerk)
Message 1
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Our hearts go out to the families of those lost on the Columbia this morning
over Texas.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <TILLMAN333@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Atlanta Area Commander Partnership
> --> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
>
> Good Morning Alex,
> I have a 1962 500A Colemill Conversion, based RMG, Rome Ga.
> You are welcome to come up for lunch and fly the plane.
> Sounds like you need to find a Commander or Aztec (Aztruck) I've owned
both.
> <A HREF="www.flysafeinsurance.com">www.flysafeinsurance.com
> Regards,
> Gary Tillman
>
>
Message 2
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
We all feel the loss of a fellow aviator/s.
The only redeeming thoughts are that they were doing what they loved to do
and that they did not feel a thing.
Tom F.
survivor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Columbia
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Our hearts go out to the families of those lost on the Columbia this
morning
> over Texas.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TILLMAN333@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Atlanta Area Commander Partnership
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
> >
> > Good Morning Alex,
> > I have a 1962 500A Colemill Conversion, based RMG, Rome Ga.
> > You are welcome to come up for lunch and fly the plane.
> > Sounds like you need to find a Commander or Aztec (Aztruck) I've owned
> both.
> > <A HREF="www.flysafeinsurance.com">www.flysafeinsurance.com
> > Regards,
> > Gary Tillman
> >
> >
>
>
Message 3
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
It didn't take long for those sandbox-dwellers to say it's God's revenge. I
mean Bush - Texas; America - Israeli. Just too good to pass up.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> We all feel the loss of a fellow aviator/s.
> The only redeeming thoughts are that they were doing what they loved to do
> and that they did not feel a thing.
> Tom F.
> survivor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Columbia
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Our hearts go out to the families of those lost on the Columbia this
> morning
> > over Texas.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <TILLMAN333@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Atlanta Area Commander Partnership
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
> > >
> > > Good Morning Alex,
> > > I have a 1962 500A Colemill Conversion, based RMG, Rome Ga.
> > > You are welcome to come up for lunch and fly the plane.
> > > Sounds like you need to find a Commander or Aztec (Aztruck) I've owned
> > both.
> > > <A HREF="www.flysafeinsurance.com">www.flysafeinsurance.com
> > > Regards,
> > > Gary Tillman
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 4
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing@earthlink.net>
Guys,
I'm not a very religious person but my prayers go out this evening to the
families of the crew of Columbia. I think we Americans tend to take a very
casual to almost arrogant disinterest in our space program. We tend to think
of it as a "quick trip around the block" and very routine. I think our
successes have jaded us and we have forgotten just how dangerous space
exploration and even aviation can truly be. No matter what our degree of
technical prowess things can always go wrong and unlike the family sedan,
mechanical failure in aircraft or spacecraft can have catastrophic results.
These very brave people will all be missed. Please, don't let them become
forgotten. They all deserve to be remembered!
John Williams
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> It didn't take long for those sandbox-dwellers to say it's God's revenge.
I
> mean Bush - Texas; America - Israeli. Just too good to pass up.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > We all feel the loss of a fellow aviator/s.
> > The only redeeming thoughts are that they were doing what they loved to
do
> > and that they did not feel a thing.
> > Tom F.
> > survivor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Columbia
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > Our hearts go out to the families of those lost on the Columbia this
> > morning
> > > over Texas.
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <TILLMAN333@aol.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Atlanta Area Commander Partnership
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > Good Morning Alex,
> > > > I have a 1962 500A Colemill Conversion, based RMG, Rome Ga.
> > > > You are welcome to come up for lunch and fly the plane.
> > > > Sounds like you need to find a Commander or Aztec (Aztruck) I've
owned
> > > both.
> > > > <A HREF="www.flysafeinsurance.com">www.flysafeinsurance.com
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Gary Tillman
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 5
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Very nicely said John. They are in our thoughts.
Randy Dettmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John D Williams"
<keyscrusing@earthlink.net>
>
> Guys,
> I'm not a very religious person but my prayers go out this evening to the
> families of the crew of Columbia. I think we Americans tend to take a very
> casual to almost arrogant disinterest in our space program. We tend to
think
> of it as a "quick trip around the block" and very routine. I think our
> successes have jaded us and we have forgotten just how dangerous space
> exploration and even aviation can truly be. No matter what our degree of
> technical prowess things can always go wrong and unlike the family sedan,
> mechanical failure in aircraft or spacecraft can have catastrophic
results.
> These very brave people will all be missed. Please, don't let them become
> forgotten. They all deserve to be remembered!
>
> John Williams
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > It didn't take long for those sandbox-dwellers to say it's God's
revenge.
> I
> > mean Bush - Texas; America - Israeli. Just too good to pass up.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > >
> > > We all feel the loss of a fellow aviator/s.
> > > The only redeeming thoughts are that they were doing what they loved
to
> do
> > > and that they did not feel a thing.
> > > Tom F.
> > > survivor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Columbia
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> > > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > > >
> > > > Our hearts go out to the families of those lost on the Columbia this
> > > morning
> > > > over Texas.
> > > > Nico
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <TILLMAN333@aol.com>
> > > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Atlanta Area Commander Partnership
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Good Morning Alex,
> > > > > I have a 1962 500A Colemill Conversion, based RMG, Rome Ga.
> > > > > You are welcome to come up for lunch and fly the plane.
> > > > > Sounds like you need to find a Commander or Aztec (Aztruck) I've
> owned
> > > > both.
> > > > > <A HREF="www.flysafeinsurance.com">www.flysafeinsurance.com
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Gary Tillman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 6
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "J.R. Sprayberry" <capnspray@direcway.com>
John you could not have said it in a better way Thank you Jerry Sprayberry.
PS: I wish Nico would tell us exatly what he mean't, and where he stands.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John D Williams"
<keyscrusing@earthlink.net>
>
> Guys,
> I'm not a very religious person but my prayers go out this evening to the
> families of the crew of Columbia. I think we Americans tend to take a very
> casual to almost arrogant disinterest in our space program. We tend to
think
> of it as a "quick trip around the block" and very routine. I think our
> successes have jaded us and we have forgotten just how dangerous space
> exploration and even aviation can truly be. No matter what our degree of
> technical prowess things can always go wrong and unlike the family sedan,
> mechanical failure in aircraft or spacecraft can have catastrophic
results.
> These very brave people will all be missed. Please, don't let them become
> forgotten. They all deserve to be remembered!
>
> John Williams
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > It didn't take long for those sandbox-dwellers to say it's God's
revenge.
> I
> > mean Bush - Texas; America - Israeli. Just too good to pass up.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > >
> > > We all feel the loss of a fellow aviator/s.
> > > The only redeeming thoughts are that they were doing what they loved
to
> do
> > > and that they did not feel a thing.
> > > Tom F.
> > > survivor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Columbia
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> > > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > > >
> > > > Our hearts go out to the families of those lost on the Columbia this
> > > morning
> > > > over Texas.
> > > > Nico
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <TILLMAN333@aol.com>
> > > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Atlanta Area Commander Partnership
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Good Morning Alex,
> > > > > I have a 1962 500A Colemill Conversion, based RMG, Rome Ga.
> > > > > You are welcome to come up for lunch and fly the plane.
> > > > > Sounds like you need to find a Commander or Aztec (Aztruck) I've
> owned
> > > > both.
> > > > > <A HREF="www.flysafeinsurance.com">www.flysafeinsurance.com
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Gary Tillman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 7
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sorry about the content not being topical to this list, but it is important
that I respond to the request.
Folks,
I am glad you asked what I meant and where I stand.
I noticed on the wire that Iraq already claimed that God has had his revenge
on the US because of its so-called aggression against Iraq. It did not take
them long to come up with such utter nonsense. So, let me explain what I
meant:
Sandbox-dwellers: The Arabs would have nothing more than a sandbox to play
in if we were not buying their oil and protecting them from their
aggressors. If we don't do that we would have to support them by sending
taxpayer money over there as welfare. They would die like flies having
nothing more than camel dung to smoke.
Bush - Texas: It is no secret that it is not only the Arabs that hate pres.
Bush, but many Americans, some who were elected into high offices also would
hand this country over to a madman rather than admit Bush is getting to
become one of the greatest statesmen of all time. Now the Columbia is
scattered over Texas. Not the ocean or California, but Texas - Bush country.
Surely, (in their twisted minds) that has to be a sign from above, no?
America - Israeli: America is accused of warring against the Muslim world
because of Israel. The rhetoric goes: If only the US would not protect
Israel to the extent it does, there would be peace in the Middle East, which
is nothing but a trap. There will never be peace in the ME unless one party
is subjected to the other by force. It is a reality and appeasement and
negotiations will fail by radical hands every time it's tried. So, today the
Columbia carried the scattered remains of an Israeli hero, who bombed an
Iraqi nuclear power plant in the '80s, over ... where? Not the ocean, not
California, but over Texas. Bush country. That has to be a sign... (They
think).
So these sand rats would claim this terrible tragedy as their victory, which
is absurd.
Where I stand:
I am a new American and have lived in places where freedom was limited,
where doing that which you believe in was punishable by imprisonment or even
death. This past week an American told me that he was looking for another
country to live in and I responded by saying to him the following: This (the
US) is the only country on the face of the planet today in which you as an
individual can still make a difference and fight liberalism (read:
communism). And don't believe for a minute you would have even a fraction of
the rights and privileges in any other place (read: literally any other
place) in the world that you enjoy right here. Those things that chaff, you
can fix them.
That is where I stand. You will find no greater patriot than this author.
Freedom was lost, but now I have found it here in the US, and I will not let
go of it even if my life depended on it, because I know it is nowhere else
to be found. Not everything is perfect over here, but then neither is it
elsewhere. The magic is in the ability to fix it.
Nico
PS. If this is not yet clear, let me know. I can go on and on and on......
and on..... and on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.R. Sprayberry" <capnspray@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "J.R. Sprayberry"
<capnspray@direcway.com>
>
> John you could not have said it in a better way Thank you Jerry
Sprayberry.
> PS: I wish Nico would tell us exatly what he mean't, and where he stands.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing@earthlink.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John D Williams"
> <keyscrusing@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Guys,
> > I'm not a very religious person but my prayers go out this evening to
the
> > families of the crew of Columbia. I think we Americans tend to take a
very
> > casual to almost arrogant disinterest in our space program. We tend to
> think
> > of it as a "quick trip around the block" and very routine. I think our
> > successes have jaded us and we have forgotten just how dangerous space
> > exploration and even aviation can truly be. No matter what our degree of
> > technical prowess things can always go wrong and unlike the family
sedan,
> > mechanical failure in aircraft or spacecraft can have catastrophic
> results.
> > These very brave people will all be missed. Please, don't let them
become
> > forgotten. They all deserve to be remembered!
> >
> > John Williams
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > It didn't take long for those sandbox-dwellers to say it's God's
> revenge.
> > I
> > > mean Bush - Texas; America - Israeli. Just too good to pass up.
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Columbia
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > >
> > > > We all feel the loss of a fellow aviator/s.
> > > > The only redeeming thoughts are that they were doing what they loved
> to
> > do
> > > > and that they did not feel a thing.
> > > > Tom F.
> > > > survivor
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: Columbia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> > > > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Our hearts go out to the families of those lost on the Columbia
this
> > > > morning
> > > > > over Texas.
> > > > > Nico
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <TILLMAN333@aol.com>
> > > > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Atlanta Area Commander Partnership
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333@aol.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good Morning Alex,
> > > > > > I have a 1962 500A Colemill Conversion, based RMG, Rome Ga.
> > > > > > You are welcome to come up for lunch and fly the plane.
> > > > > > Sounds like you need to find a Commander or Aztec (Aztruck) I've
> > owned
> > > > > both.
> > > > > > <A HREF="www.flysafeinsurance.com">www.flysafeinsurance.com
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Gary Tillman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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