---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/05/03: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - Re: This, That & the other thing.... (CloudCraft@aol.com) 2. 06:29 AM - Re: Pre Buy (Chris Schuermann) 3. 07:34 AM - Re: This, That & the other thing.... (Chris Wall) 4. 10:33 AM - Re: This, That & the other thing.... (Barry Collman) 5. 10:57 AM - A Model 520 question (Barry Collman) 6. 12:12 PM - Re: This, That & the other thing.... (John Vormbaum) 7. 12:25 PM - Re: A Model 520 question (Chris Schuermann) 8. 12:58 PM - Re: 680V (Tylor Hall) 9. 01:12 PM - Re: 680V (Ricardo A. Otaola) 10. 01:25 PM - Re: 680V (Tylor Hall) 11. 01:40 PM - Re: A Model 520 question (Todd Hindmarsh) 12. 02:59 PM - Re: Venezuela (CloudCraft@aol.com) 13. 03:17 PM - Re: 680V (Tom Fisher) 14. 04:09 PM - Re: A Model 520 question (Bruce Campbell) 15. 06:27 PM - This guy got it right. (JETPAUL@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:12 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: This, That & the other thing.... --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 02/04/03 23:31:14 Pacific Standard Time, john@vormbaum.com writes: > In the end, nothing damaged but 1 gear door, my wallet, and my pride, which > was completely crushed under that failed nosegear. > John, I think you did an outstanding job. Your nose gear bungee spring is the one who should feel embarrassed. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:32 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pre Buy --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Jody and Susan Pillatzki wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" > > I am extremely interested in buying 411VV That's a pretty sweet little 520. They've done a LOT of work - especially the time-consuming mechanical stuff that would cost so much that most folks just don't do it. I've given serious thought to buying that airplane myself. Crunk did an absolutely beautiful instrument panel for it. Chris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:00 AM PST US From: "Chris Wall" Subject: Re: Commander-List: This, That & the other thing.... --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" I am hesitant to post this(for fear the feds will get ahold of it), but feel it is a good time to say it. In my recent search for a decent nosewheel bungee I went through 4 airplanes that had been retired looking for a decent bungee. I found in every case that the shaft of the spring was very worn causing the spring to have a very bent shape and the bushing in one end was without fail extremely worn. In two cases the bolt had worn through the bushing entirely and was wearing away at the surrounding metal of the bungee body. I should state that the planes I looked at were of the 560A vintage, but it is the same design through out all of the commanders. With out disassembly it is impossible to spot the problem. Besides seeing if the gear will come down without hydraulic pressure. It might be worth asking your mechanic the next time the plane is in for an annual to remove the nosewheel spring and inspect it. When putting the system back together there is also an adjustment that should be made to make sure that the bungee is putting the proper amound of pressure on the system. These old springs lose there elasticty over time and need to be adjusted. It is not a fun job, I spent most of the day yesterday putting things back together just right on the 560A I am working on. Chris ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:19 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: This, That & the other thing.... --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi John, I saw earlier today that N353CC had been dinged at Stockton yesterday But, glad to see there wasn't too much damage, and more importantly, the driver was OK Very Best Regards, Barry C ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Commander-List: This, That & the other thing.... | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | | Hello Everyone, | | PS: Oh yeah, that other thing.....I had a nosegear collapse in N353CC today, | like a stoopid rookie. I was flying over to Morris' new place in Stockton to | get a minor (haha) hydraulic leak fixed, and *poof*, 10NM out, aaaaalll my | hydraulic pressure goes away. This was the perfect time for my | pilot-sub-conscious to point out that the aux hyd. pump (I at least pulled | the breaker on takeoff) won't work the gear, so of course the mains lock but | not the nosegear. Anyway, I put 'er down on the numbers and rolled in a | tidge of power to keep the nosewheel off for the next 7,000 feet. Then I | kicked some rudder and turned onto the last taxiway, still with the nose up, | and backed off the power until the nose gently came down....whereupon the | nosegear collapsed and I scrubbed the edge of my right nosegear door & my | DME antenna off in about 25' of pavement. Morris was 50-50 cruel & kind: he | said, "you did a damn fine job, for a guy who knew he had a hyd. leak and | still put the gear up on the way here." | | In the end, nothing damaged but 1 gear door, my wallet, and my pride, which | was completely crushed under that failed nosegear. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:28 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: A Model 520 question --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" A quick question to help the FlightSim guys. On a Model 520 panel, there's a pull knob which appears to be labelled "Alt Air". Can anyone describe its function? Thanks! Barry C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:00 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: This, That & the other thing.... --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Thanks Sir Barry! Yes, it could have been worse. All in all, very minor damage...I should be flying again in about a week. You can be sure from now on that I'll check my nosegear spring/bungee during the annual inspection! /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: This, That & the other thing.... > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > Hi John, > > I saw earlier today that N353CC had been dinged at Stockton yesterday > > But, glad to see there wasn't too much damage, and more importantly, the driver > was OK > > Very Best Regards, > > Barry C > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: This, That & the other thing.... > > today, Stockton to my pulled but up, the my he and which > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:26 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: A Model 520 question --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Barry Collman wrote: > On a Model 520 panel, there's a pull knob which appears to be labelled "Alt > Air". > > Can anyone describe its function? Closes a flapper valve in the front of the airbox. This closes off the air from the scoop into the filter and causes a spring-loaded flapper at the rear of the airbox to be pulled open. Warm air from an exhaust cuff is then supplied (unfiltered) to the engine. chris schuermann ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:39 PM PST US From: "Tylor Hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680V --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" Phil, Wing Commander Gordon did mention the 680FLP with a Mr. RPM conversion. Most of them have had the modification to the 1000psi hydraulic system and bleed air pressurization. Dick MacCoon has the intercooler designed. All we need is a customer that wants it and we can add the intercooler. There is a 680FLP and 680FP (short body) on the market with the Mr. RPM conversions. Regards, Tylor Hall Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO 970-731-2127 --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 02/04/03 17:56:04 Pacific Standard Time, br549phil@mindspring.com writes: > Would like to know if anyone has experience with a 680V. Any comments pro > or con about this bird will be appreciated. > Shure do, Phil. My take on the 680V is that it's a toss between a 680FLP and a 680 V. Here's why: The Achilles heel on both airplanes is the 3000 psi hydraulic (Skydrol) pressurization system. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:23 PM PST US From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680V --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola" Tylor: Is Bonaire up and running with both Jet-A1 and AVGAS?? Thanks, we are short sometimes in Venezuela so I have to search elsewhere just in case. Pls confirm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tylor Hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680V > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" > > Phil, > Wing Commander Gordon did mention the 680FLP with a Mr. RPM conversion. > Most of them have had the modification to the 1000psi hydraulic system and > bleed air pressurization. > Dick MacCoon has the intercooler designed. All we need is a customer that > wants it and we can add the intercooler. > > There is a 680FLP and 680FP (short body) on the market with the Mr. RPM > conversions. > > Regards, > Tylor Hall > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO > 970-731-2127 > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/04/03 17:56:04 Pacific Standard Time, > br549phil@mindspring.com writes: > > > > Would like to know if anyone has experience with a 680V. Any comments pro > > or con about this bird will be appreciated. > > > > Shure do, Phil. > > My take on the 680V is that it's a toss between a 680FLP and a 680 V. > > Here's why: The Achilles heel on both airplanes is the 3000 psi hydraulic > (Skydrol) pressurization system. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:03 PM PST US From: "Tylor Hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680V --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" Ricardo, I finished the Jet A1 fuel farm on Oct 31. They have lots of Jet A1, but no AVGAS at all. Curacao and Aruba both have AVGAS. There was a lot of talk about adding AVGAS to Bonaire, but nothing had been decided by the time I left the Island. Regards, Tylor Hall Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO 970-731-2127 -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ricardo A. Otaola Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680V --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola" Tylor: Is Bonaire up and running with both Jet-A1 and AVGAS?? Thanks, we are short sometimes in Venezuela so I have to search elsewhere just in case. Pls confirm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tylor Hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680V > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" > > Phil, > Wing Commander Gordon did mention the 680FLP with a Mr. RPM conversion. > Most of them have had the modification to the 1000psi hydraulic system and > bleed air pressurization. > Dick MacCoon has the intercooler designed. All we need is a customer that > wants it and we can add the intercooler. > > There is a 680FLP and 680FP (short body) on the market with the Mr. RPM > conversions. > > Regards, > Tylor Hall > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO > 970-731-2127 > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/04/03 17:56:04 Pacific Standard Time, > br549phil@mindspring.com writes: > > > > Would like to know if anyone has experience with a 680V. Any comments pro > > or con about this bird will be appreciated. > > > > Shure do, Phil. > > My take on the 680V is that it's a toss between a 680FLP and a 680 V. > > Here's why: The Achilles heel on both airplanes is the 3000 psi hydraulic > (Skydrol) pressurization system. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:30 PM PST US From: "Todd Hindmarsh" Subject: RE: Commander-List: A Model 520 question --> Commander-List message posted by: "Todd Hindmarsh" I don't know for sure on the 520 but in general the principle of Alt Air is a secondary source for static air for the pitot-static system in the event the primary static ports have frozen up. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Subject: Commander-List: A Model 520 question --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" A quick question to help the FlightSim guys. On a Model 520 panel, there's a pull knob which appears to be labelled "Alt Air". Can anyone describe its function? Thanks! Barry C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:05 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Venezuela --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 02/05/03 13:12:50 Pacific Standard Time, otayca@telcel.net.ve writes: > Thanks, we are short sometimes in Venezuela so I have to search > elsewhere just in case. Ricardo, I've been thinking of you and hope the current situation in Venezuela isn't impacting you too much. Sounds like you're still flying, so that's good. I'm sure all on this list hope for your continued enjoyment of your Commander ... and plentiful AvGas soon! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:14 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680V --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" I want that FLP but if it's the one I'm thinking of...it's too much money even if it is in cherry shape. Tom... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tylor Hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680V > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" > > Phil, > Wing Commander Gordon did mention the 680FLP with a Mr. RPM conversion. > Most of them have had the modification to the 1000psi hydraulic system and > bleed air pressurization. > Dick MacCoon has the intercooler designed. All we need is a customer that > wants it and we can add the intercooler. > > There is a 680FLP and 680FP (short body) on the market with the Mr. RPM > conversions. > > Regards, > Tylor Hall > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO > 970-731-2127 > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/04/03 17:56:04 Pacific Standard Time, > br549phil@mindspring.com writes: > > > > Would like to know if anyone has experience with a 680V. Any comments pro > > or con about this bird will be appreciated. > > > > Shure do, Phil. > > My take on the 680V is that it's a toss between a 680FLP and a 680 V. > > Here's why: The Achilles heel on both airplanes is the 3000 psi hydraulic > (Skydrol) pressurization system. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:59 PM PST US From: "Bruce Campbell" Subject: Re: Commander-List: A Model 520 question --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" I beleive you will find that it's two knobs, for alternate induction air, i.e., air cleaner bypass in case of induction icing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Hindmarsh" Subject: RE: Commander-List: A Model 520 question > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Todd Hindmarsh" > > I don't know for sure on the 520 but in general the principle of Alt Air is > a secondary source for static air for the pitot-static system in the event > the primary static ports have frozen up. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry > Collman > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: A Model 520 question > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > > A quick question to help the FlightSim guys. > > On a Model 520 panel, there's a pull knob which appears to be labelled "Alt > Air". > > Can anyone describe its function? > > Thanks! > > Barry C. > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:58 PM PST US From: JETPAUL@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: This guy got it right. jpowell717@msn.com, SinkBird@aol.com, b.rutledge@charter.net, Wingnut195@cs.com, stubie@mindspring.com, buddy86@earthlink.net, blankenship3@peoplepc.com, bray0@dellepro.com, C04Glenn.Dahl@USAFA.edu, commander-list@matronics.com, Crunk1@direcway.com, cwall@worldflight2000.com, Flyinjetz@aol.com, Jpillatzki@702com.net, jsalex2@msn.com, lfloyd@cswnet.com, DuckRyder@att.net, Carter1984@aol.com, sdg@negia.net, NANNANPC@aol.com, allen_reed2@hotmail.com, keyscruising@earthlink.net, w.bow@att.net, COMMANDER560@cs.com, B777atkins@aol.com, TILLMAN333@aol.com, TAYLORMS1@aol.com --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com If only I could be so elequent, (did I spell that right?) While setting the world straight. Paul Reason (I wish I had written this!!) "DO NOT FORGET" I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?" Now I know why. I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?" Now I know why. Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people. On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors. On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers. I will not be manipulated. I will not pretend to understand. I will not forget. I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting. I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president." I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives saying,=A0 "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington." And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference." I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America. I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications. I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration. I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport. I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities. I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines. I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality. I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 3,000 but 300,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it? There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!" I will force myself to: -hear the weeping -feel the helplessness -imagine the terror -sense the panic -smell the burning flesh - experience the loss - remember the hatred. I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?" Now I know. We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living. -- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.) Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.