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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Bill Bow)
2. 06:44 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Chris Schuermann)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Tylor Hall)
4. 09:02 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Chris Wall)
5. 09:05 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Chris Schuermann)
6. 01:32 PM - Seatback Briefing Card (Bill Williams)
7. 01:45 PM - Re: Seatback Briefing Card (Chris Schuermann)
8. 03:48 PM - Re: Seatback Briefing Card (Bill Williams)
9. 04:59 PM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Bill Hamilton)
10. 07:24 PM - Re: Seatback Briefing Card (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Tylor,
You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
this list.
bilbo
N78379
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer@centurytel.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall"
<winddancer@centurytel.net>
>
> Andrew,
> Boy, did you come to the right place to get a bunch of information.
>
> The short story is that the A/C 500 B, U, S evolved from the earlier round
> cowling Aero Commanders. The 500 B, U, & S were the first to have flat
> nacelles. I lump the B, U, and S together since the all use the same
> engine. The U and S as later models had long noses, eye brow windows, and
> front doors added as standard. These also show up in the B models as
later
> added options. Bob Hoover flew the S model.
>
> www.aerocommander.com is the web site with a number of photos. On this
site
> you will find technical specifications. There are none for the S. They
are
> the same as the U model for all practical purposes. You will find photos
of
> the 500 under the short speedline section.
>
> That was the short answer. Want more?
>
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew &
> Bridget Watson
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson
> <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this group...
>
> I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a
> novel and I reference a Shrike in the story.
>
> I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is
a
> younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the
> designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston,
> Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar.
>
> (The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most
> beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob
Hoover -
> yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many
years
> ago.)
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew Watson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
I was going to point Mr Watson also at the lineage chart, but I can't
seem to find it on the web site. Has that been removed JB?
chris
do not archive
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| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer@centurytel.net>
Bow,
I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The
difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two
bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in
1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with
GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the seedline
flat nacelles until you get up close.
This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know.
"It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S
(500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail." Is
that how it begins?
Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more
comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization).
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
Tylor,
You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
this list.
bilbo
N78379
500A
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| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" <cwall@worldflight2000.com>
Tylor,
The 560F had the IGO-540 not a GSO-540.
Chris S. A link to the timeline you created has been added to the aircraft models
page. Thanks for the reminder. There are still a few things that have not
been switched over. We are trying to get to it all and will eventually it is
just a matter of time.
The photos section will be update during this week to include all of the photos
from the old page and some new photos.
Jim A. I put up several pictures of your 500A. 2 in the speedline picture gallery
and one in the compare aircraft section. I picked the picture of the plane
in the yellow flowers. Is this a good picture to represent the 500A or should
I pick one of the original ones?
Chris
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer@centurytel.net>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer@centurytel.net>
>
>Bow,
>I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The
>difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two
>bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in
>1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with
>GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the seedline
>flat nacelles until you get up close.
>
>This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know.
>
>"It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S
>(500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail." Is
>that how it begins?
>
>Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more
>comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization).
>
>Regards,
>Tylor Hall
>Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
>2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
>970-731-2127
>
>
>Tylor,
>
>You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
>this list.
>
>bilbo
>N78379
>500A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Tylor Hall wrote:
> I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The
> difference was the engines and props.
Correct. Actually, some 500A's were converted to 500Bs. As near as I
have been able to tell, the 500A, 500B, 560F, and 680F are the exact
same airframe structure. The only difference is the engine installation
and associated minor items (different MAP instruments, etc) that would
be affected. The 500U and S have slightly different structures
(including the wing spar change and elimination of some corrogated
control surface skins). The only difference I'm aware of between a U
and S is that at some point, they quit using flush rivets on the aft
part of the wing. Believe this happened somewhere during the "S"
production run. (not counting interior and trim variations of course).
Chris Schuermann
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| Subject: | Seatback Briefing Card |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Dose anyone have a sample of a seatback briefing card suitable for use
on our 560A?
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
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| Subject: | Re: Seatback Briefing Card |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bill Williams wrote:
> Dose anyone have a sample of a seatback briefing card suitable for use
> on our 560A?
Welcome aboard Schuermann Airlines flight 0001 departing
Sand Springs en route, with any luck at all, to where ever
we're going. Please make sure your seatbelt is on and that your seat
is securely fastened to the fuselage. At this time, any personal items
should be stowed securely in the trunk of your car, since there is no
overhead compartment or space beneath your seat, to speak of. Please
turn off all portable electronic devices, and keep them off until we
have landed safely, or for the duration of the flight, whichever comes
first. Smoking is not permitted inside the cabin; smoking outside the
cabin should be reported to the captain immediately. There is no
beverage service during the flight, however, heavy drinking prior to
takeoff is encouraged. In-flight entertainment will consist of watching
the pilot's desperate struggle to control the plane. We'll be flying at
an altitude of 2500 feet today, in theory; should the
plane's altitude drop precipitously, please check to ensure that the
pilot is awake and in an upright position. Lavatories are located at
either end of the flight. As we prepare for takeoff, please take this
opportunity to locate the exit nearest you and, if you have any sense at
all, avail yourself of it before it's too late. In a moment, the pilot
will begin handing out the release forms in preparation for takeoff. Be
assured that in all his time aloft, Pilot Chris Schuermann has
never lost a passenger; however, your results may vary. Now sit back,
relax, and enjoy your flight.
Chris
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| Subject: | Seatback Briefing Card |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Chris:
Thanks for the verbal brief. What I need is a sample of the card that
shows the emergency exit, etc.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
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| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
All,
Steady on, chaps, the 500 A was the first to the "flat" nacelles, not the 500B.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 06:58 PM 7/02/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer@centurytel.net>
>
>Andrew,
>Boy, did you come to the right place to get a bunch of information.
>
>The short story is that the A/C 500 B, U, S evolved from the earlier round
>cowling Aero Commanders. The 500 B, U, & S were the first to have flat
>nacelles. I lump the B, U, and S together since the all use the same
>engine. The U and S as later models had long noses, eye brow windows, and
>front doors added as standard. These also show up in the B models as later
>added options. Bob Hoover flew the S model.
>
>www.aerocommander.com is the web site with a number of photos. On this site
>you will find technical specifications. There are none for the S. They are
>the same as the U model for all practical purposes. You will find photos of
>the 500 under the short speedline section.
>
>That was the short answer. Want more?
>
>Regards,
>Tylor Hall
>Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
>2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
>970-731-2127
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew &
>Bridget Watson
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson
><andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm new to this group...
>
>I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a
>novel and I reference a Shrike in the story.
>
>I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is a
>younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the
>designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston,
>Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar.
>
>(The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most
>beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob Hoover -
>yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many years
>ago.)
>
>Thanks,
>Andrew Watson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seatback Briefing Card |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
I have seen such a thing. Let me see if I can dig something up, no promises
jb
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