---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/08/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:00 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Bill Bow) 2. 06:44 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Chris Schuermann) 3. 08:44 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Tylor Hall) 4. 09:02 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Chris Wall) 5. 09:05 AM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Chris Schuermann) 6. 01:32 PM - Seatback Briefing Card (Bill Williams) 7. 01:45 PM - Re: Seatback Briefing Card (Chris Schuermann) 8. 03:48 PM - Re: Seatback Briefing Card (Bill Williams) 9. 04:59 PM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Bill Hamilton) 10. 07:24 PM - Re: Seatback Briefing Card (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:49 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Tylor, You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on this list. bilbo N78379 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tylor Hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" > > Andrew, > Boy, did you come to the right place to get a bunch of information. > > The short story is that the A/C 500 B, U, S evolved from the earlier round > cowling Aero Commanders. The 500 B, U, & S were the first to have flat > nacelles. I lump the B, U, and S together since the all use the same > engine. The U and S as later models had long noses, eye brow windows, and > front doors added as standard. These also show up in the B models as later > added options. Bob Hoover flew the S model. > > www.aerocommander.com is the web site with a number of photos. On this site > you will find technical specifications. There are none for the S. They are > the same as the U model for all practical purposes. You will find photos of > the 500 under the short speedline section. > > That was the short answer. Want more? > > Regards, > Tylor Hall > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO > 970-731-2127 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew & > Bridget Watson > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > > Hi, > > I'm new to this group... > > I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a > novel and I reference a Shrike in the story. > > I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is a > younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the > designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston, > Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar. > > (The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most > beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob Hoover - > yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many years > ago.) > > Thanks, > Andrew Watson > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:29 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann I was going to point Mr Watson also at the lineage chart, but I can't seem to find it on the web site. Has that been removed JB? chris do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:07 AM PST US From: "Tylor Hall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" Bow, I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in 1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the seedline flat nacelles until you get up close. This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know. "It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S (500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail." Is that how it begins? Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization). Regards, Tylor Hall Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO 970-731-2127 Tylor, You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on this list. bilbo N78379 500A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:27 AM PST US From: "Chris Wall" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" Tylor, The 560F had the IGO-540 not a GSO-540. Chris S. A link to the timeline you created has been added to the aircraft models page. Thanks for the reminder. There are still a few things that have not been switched over. We are trying to get to it all and will eventually it is just a matter of time. The photos section will be update during this week to include all of the photos from the old page and some new photos. Jim A. I put up several pictures of your 500A. 2 in the speedline picture gallery and one in the compare aircraft section. I picked the picture of the plane in the yellow flowers. Is this a good picture to represent the 500A or should I pick one of the original ones? Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tylor Hall" >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" > >Bow, >I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The >difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two >bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in >1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with >GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the seedline >flat nacelles until you get up close. > >This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know. > >"It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S >(500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail." Is >that how it begins? > >Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more >comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization). > >Regards, >Tylor Hall >Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. >2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO >970-731-2127 > > >Tylor, > >You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on >this list. > >bilbo >N78379 >500A > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:33 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Tylor Hall wrote: > I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The > difference was the engines and props. Correct. Actually, some 500A's were converted to 500Bs. As near as I have been able to tell, the 500A, 500B, 560F, and 680F are the exact same airframe structure. The only difference is the engine installation and associated minor items (different MAP instruments, etc) that would be affected. The 500U and S have slightly different structures (including the wing spar change and elimination of some corrogated control surface skins). The only difference I'm aware of between a U and S is that at some point, they quit using flush rivets on the aft part of the wing. Believe this happened somewhere during the "S" production run. (not counting interior and trim variations of course). Chris Schuermann ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:05 PM PST US From: "Bill Williams" Subject: Commander-List: Seatback Briefing Card --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams" Dose anyone have a sample of a seatback briefing card suitable for use on our 560A? Bill Williams AirMatrix 17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D Arlington, WA 98223-7898 tel: 360-435-7343 fax: 360-435-8193 billw@air-matrix.com www.air-matrix.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:24 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Seatback Briefing Card --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Bill Williams wrote: > Dose anyone have a sample of a seatback briefing card suitable for use > on our 560A? Welcome aboard Schuermann Airlines flight 0001 departing Sand Springs en route, with any luck at all, to where ever we're going. Please make sure your seatbelt is on and that your seat is securely fastened to the fuselage. At this time, any personal items should be stowed securely in the trunk of your car, since there is no overhead compartment or space beneath your seat, to speak of. Please turn off all portable electronic devices, and keep them off until we have landed safely, or for the duration of the flight, whichever comes first. Smoking is not permitted inside the cabin; smoking outside the cabin should be reported to the captain immediately. There is no beverage service during the flight, however, heavy drinking prior to takeoff is encouraged. In-flight entertainment will consist of watching the pilot's desperate struggle to control the plane. We'll be flying at an altitude of 2500 feet today, in theory; should the plane's altitude drop precipitously, please check to ensure that the pilot is awake and in an upright position. Lavatories are located at either end of the flight. As we prepare for takeoff, please take this opportunity to locate the exit nearest you and, if you have any sense at all, avail yourself of it before it's too late. In a moment, the pilot will begin handing out the release forms in preparation for takeoff. Be assured that in all his time aloft, Pilot Chris Schuermann has never lost a passenger; however, your results may vary. Now sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight. Chris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Williams" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Seatback Briefing Card --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams" Chris: Thanks for the verbal brief. What I need is a sample of the card that shows the emergency exit, etc. Bill Williams AirMatrix 17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D Arlington, WA 98223-7898 tel: 360-435-7343 fax: 360-435-8193 billw@air-matrix.com www.air-matrix.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:49 PM PST US From: Bill Hamilton Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton All, Steady on, chaps, the 500 A was the first to the "flat" nacelles, not the 500B. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 06:58 PM 7/02/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" > >Andrew, >Boy, did you come to the right place to get a bunch of information. > >The short story is that the A/C 500 B, U, S evolved from the earlier round >cowling Aero Commanders. The 500 B, U, & S were the first to have flat >nacelles. I lump the B, U, and S together since the all use the same >engine. The U and S as later models had long noses, eye brow windows, and >front doors added as standard. These also show up in the B models as later >added options. Bob Hoover flew the S model. > >www.aerocommander.com is the web site with a number of photos. On this site >you will find technical specifications. There are none for the S. They are >the same as the U model for all practical purposes. You will find photos of >the 500 under the short speedline section. > >That was the short answer. Want more? > >Regards, >Tylor Hall >Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. >2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO >970-731-2127 > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew & >Bridget Watson >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs > >--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > >Hi, > >I'm new to this group... > >I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a >novel and I reference a Shrike in the story. > >I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is a >younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the >designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston, >Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar. > >(The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most >beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob Hoover - >yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many years >ago.) > >Thanks, >Andrew Watson > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:22 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Seatback Briefing Card --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com I have seen such a thing. Let me see if I can dig something up, no promises jb