Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:22 AM - Re: GSO-480 TBO (Harry Merritt)
2. 05:04 PM - Shrike Speeds (Andrew & Bridget Watson)
3. 05:56 PM - Re: AvBlend FYI (Dennis Polito)
4. 06:56 PM - Re: Shrike Speeds (Tom Fisher)
5. 07:22 PM - Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs (Jim Addington)
6. 07:25 PM - Re: Shrike Speeds (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 09:30 PM - AC-520 Performance Request (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 10:32 PM - Re: AC-520 Performance Request (Bruce Campbell)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
Cont. is the same
HM
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GSO-480 TBO
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02/12/03 15:21:40 Pacific Standard Time,
winddancer@centurytel.net writes:
> If you are flying for hire, Part 135,
> you must overhaul the engines at 12 years regardless of time on the
> engines.
> It is a which ever comes first.
>
I operated Part 135 since 1995, but back then, that particular requirement
was because Lycoming has a mandatory service bulletin saying o/h at 12 years
if the TBO is not up yet.
Air Carriers must comply with ALL mandatory SBs. Not sure if Continental
has the same requirement, but I'd be shocked if they didn't.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
Hi All,
A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
If one were taking off on a grass strip 2,200 feet ASL, 1,000 yards long, light
to no wind, 30 degrees C (whatever that is in F), full fuel, 4 adults on board...
Would the pilot use flap, and how much?
At what speed would the pilot rotate?
What is best rate of climb speed?
What is best angle of climb speed?
Max cruise around 200 mph?
Getting down, now - same strip and conditions...
What is the Red Line speed?
What is the best descent speed?
What is max gear extension speed?
What would my Downwind Leg speed be? At what RPM and Manifold Pressure?
Base Leg speed, and rate of descent? (500 fpm?)
Final approach speed?
How much flap? (55 degrees is max?)
Much appreciated!
Regards,
Andrew.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dennis Polito" <cloudhopper@attbi.com>
Keith:
How right you are regarding Avblend.
Several years ago at OSH the Avblend rep copped out to the fact that Avblend
with the pretty purple dye is the very same product found in the plain
vanilla "Lenkite" can. The only difference being the dye, the cost and the
blessing of the feds.
Kas Thomas of TBO Adviser put me on to this a while back.
Note that the oil capacity of say an IO-540 requires two cans of the stuff.
Now this is what I have been told, I wouldn't know first hand of the
suitability of non approved non purple Avblend (Lenkite) for usage in
anything other than lawn mower engines.
That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AvBlend FYI
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 02/12/03 15:49:03 Pacific Standard Time,
todd@inpnet.org
> writes:
>
>
> > The other nice thing - this stuff costs the same as the automotive
stuff.
> >
>
> If Dennis Polito is lurking, he may surface and tell you about meeting the
> AvABlend guys at Oshkosh one year.
>
> If I remember the story correctly, they copped to the fact that it was the
> automotive stuff but because it went into airplanes, well, you know ...
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
This ought to be fun!
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson
<andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
>
> Hi All,
>
> A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
>
> If one were taking off on a grass strip 2,200 feet ASL, 1,000 yards long,
light to no wind, 30 degrees C (whatever that is in F), full fuel, 4 adults
on board...
>
> Would the pilot use flap, and how much?
> At what speed would the pilot rotate?
> What is best rate of climb speed?
> What is best angle of climb speed?
> Max cruise around 200 mph?
>
>
> Getting down, now - same strip and conditions...
> What is the Red Line speed?
> What is the best descent speed?
> What is max gear extension speed?
> What would my Downwind Leg speed be? At what RPM and Manifold Pressure?
> Base Leg speed, and rate of descent? (500 fpm?)
> Final approach speed?
> How much flap? (55 degrees is max?)
>
> Much appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
>
>
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| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Chris,
Sorry I am late getting back to you. My ex-son-in-law's father was killed in
a 210 last Wed. I flew him down to Brownsville and stayed with the family to
help. By the Time I got back I had almost 200 emails to go through, haven't
gotten through them yet. To answer your question one of the other pictures
has the short nose and is really more original. The one you picked is my
favorite but it has the long nose.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Wall
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall"
<cwall@worldflight2000.com>
Tylor,
The 560F had the IGO-540 not a GSO-540.
Chris S. A link to the timeline you created has been added to the aircraft
models page. Thanks for the reminder. There are still a few things that
have not been switched over. We are trying to get to it all and will
eventually it is just a matter of time.
The photos section will be update during this week to include all of the
photos from the old page and some new photos.
Jim A. I put up several pictures of your 500A. 2 in the speedline picture
gallery and one in the compare aircraft section. I picked the picture of
the plane in the yellow flowers. Is this a good picture to represent the
500A or should I pick one of the original ones?
Chris
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer@centurytel.net>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall"
<winddancer@centurytel.net>
>
>Bow,
>I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960.
The
>difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two
>bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in
>1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with
>GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the
seedline
>flat nacelles until you get up close.
>
>This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know.
>
>"It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S
>(500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail."
Is
>that how it begins?
>
>Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more
>comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization).
>
>Regards,
>Tylor Hall
>Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
>2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
>970-731-2127
>
>
>Tylor,
>
>You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
>this list.
>
>bilbo
>N78379
>500A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02/13/03 18:57:24 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
Andrew,
I must have missed an earlier post. Are you writing a novel, or are you
really going to do this flight? !!??!
If this is a swash buckling adventure story and the heroes are in a Shrike,
being chased by natives with spears, revolutionaries with guns or the angry
parents of all the daughters from the local village, we can come up with some
numbers.
If this is really going to take place, I'd rather see you in a 680-E. (With
Clevelands!)
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | AC-520 Performance Request |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Commander 520 Guys,
Milton Shupe and his simulation crew are in need of some real world AC-520
performance.
What are you seeing for cruise climb; Indicated speed and rate of climb?
Best rate of climb (Vy) r.o.c.?
Anyone happen to time themselves to accelerate to Vmc? Time to Vr?
You can reply to the list, or, to Milton's address: jomas@leaco.net
A few of us have seen the graphics for the Flight Simulator modules they're
building. "Wow! " is what comes to mind ...
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: AC-520 Performance Request |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch@intelligentflight.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: AC-520 Performance Request
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> Commander 520 Guys,
>
> Milton Shupe and his simulation crew are in need of some real world AC-520
> performance.
>
> What are you seeing for cruise climb; Indicated speed and rate of climb?
130 mph and 1100 fpm
>
> Best rate of climb (Vy) r.o.c.?
>
1600 fpm
> Anyone happen to time themselves to accelerate to Vmc? Time to Vr?
>
real quick ( < 6 sec)
> You can reply to the list, or, to Milton's address: jomas@leaco.net
>
> A few of us have seen the graphics for the Flight Simulator modules
they're
> building. "Wow! " is what comes to mind ...
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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