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1. 05:12 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds (Andrew & Bridget Watson)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
3. 07:15 AM - Fuel Flow Gages (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
4. 09:08 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds (CloudCraft@aol.com)
5. 09:08 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 09:20 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds / chat (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds (Harry Merritt)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds / chat (Barry Collman)
10. 10:00 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds / chat (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
11. 10:00 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
12. 10:01 AM - Re: Shrike Speeds / chat (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
13. 10:35 AM - NEW MWMBWES/NICE FLIGHT (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
14. 11:51 AM - Fw: Shrike Speeds / chat (Stephen Crow)
15. 02:59 PM - Re: Shrike Speeds (Jim Addington)
16. 04:09 PM - Re: Shrike Speeds (Tom Fisher)
17. 06:20 PM - Flight Control Balance (Bill Williams)
18. 09:27 PM - Re: Flight Control Balance (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
Now that made me chuckle this early in the morning (6 am in Alberta)...
I am writing a novel, but there are no angry natives with spears. I do
reference a Shrike a couple of times in the story - and was advised by a
couple of people who are helping me with it to get a bit more specific about
the Shrike's performance.
Thanks for all of you with your help so far...
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 02/13/03 18:57:24 Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
>
> > > A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
>
> Andrew,
>
> I must have missed an earlier post. Are you writing a novel, or are you
> really going to do this flight? !!??!
>
> If this is a swash buckling adventure story and the heroes are in a
Shrike,
> being chased by natives with spears, revolutionaries with guns or the
angry
> parents of all the daughters from the local village, we can come up with
some
> numbers.
>
> If this is really going to take place, I'd rather see you in a 680-E.
(With
> Clevelands!)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Dear Wing Commander Gordon,
I am a bit confused at your advice that you would rather see the hero(/) in a
680E with Clevelands. I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
680E. Stopping the 680E should take less distance, as it should be
substantially lighter that the 680F(p). Under the circumstances described my
680F(p) would be very near max gross (8,000 lbs).
Also, does deicing boots degrade the performance of an Aero Commander very
much? It appears that the leading edges of my plane (with boots) has a
slightly different shape than the ones without boots.
Thanks for your expert council
Moe Mills
N680RR
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--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Fellow Commander Drivers:
A few weeks ago there was quite a bit of discussion about Fuel Flow gages.
There was some very good advice about calibration from Wing Commander Gordon,
and some speculation about price from others.
I can now speak with authority on price only.
Rebuild senders $490.00 each, and rebuild gage (my unit had a bad inverter)
$990.00, for a total of $2,000.00 (more or less).
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02/14/03 07:08:35 Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS@aol.com
writes:
> I am a bit confused at your advice that you would rather see the hero(/) in
> a
> 680E with Clevelands. I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
>
> 680E. Stopping the 680E should take less distance, as it should be
> substantially lighter that the 680F(p). Under the circumstances described
> my
> 680F(p) would be very near max gross (8,000 lbs).
Moe,
I just was waiting for the -F guys to come at ME with spears!
You are right, Moe: it was the weight / landing aspect that made me suggest
an -E.
But, under certain circumstances, an -F is just as good, maybe better. Lord
knows I've done things with a -F that won't be discussed in polite company.
(I suppose if I were a missionary, it would have been OK.)
I did teach one fellow how to operate his 680-FP off 1700', but that was in a
lower elevation and in a cool climate with a drop-off to a long lake for an
escape route. Those are my credentials as a big fan of the 680F and -FP
series.
Now back to business ... since I don't have any Shrike manuals, do any of you
500-S operators have the charts that can generate answers for our intrepid
adventure writer?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 7:08:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS@aol.com
writes:
> I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
>
> 680E.
HEY MOE. Nice try. Those rickety old cantacorious IGSO-540s only made
380hp for one day, the day they were new. After that, it was a steady decay.
And then there is the sound of the 680E through those great
augmenters. No, I think the hero should have a 680E all right, painted
white, with red and gold trim.
It should have winglets to. It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done in
charcoal leather and.............. :-). jb
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02/14/03 07:08:35 Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS@aol.com
writes:
> Also, does deicing boots degrade the performance of an Aero Commander very
> much? It appears that the leading edges of my plane (with boots) has a
> slightly different shape than the ones without boots.
Moe,
Forgot this part of you post. I don't know. As I recall, every 680-F
series I've flown has had boots, so I can't judge.
Instinct says that boots will degrade a clean (as in flight test) leading
edge performance characteristic.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 02/14/03 09:09:01 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com
writes:
> It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
> propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done
> in
> charcoal leather and.............. :-).
.... and he should have a pet iguana?
WCG
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
Jim do you still need the large air vents
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 7:08:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS@aol.com
writes:
> I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
>
> 680E.
HEY MOE. Nice try. Those rickety old cantacorious IGSO-540s only made
380hp for one day, the day they were new. After that, it was a steady decay.
And then there is the sound of the 680E through those great
augmenters. No, I think the hero should have a 680E all right, painted
white, with red and gold trim.
It should have winglets to. It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done in
charcoal leather and.............. :-). jb
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds / chat
| --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
|
| In a message dated 02/14/03 09:09:01 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com
| writes:
|
|
| > It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
| > propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done
| > in
| > charcoal leather and.............. :-).
|
|
| .... and he should have a pet iguana?
|
| WCG
...........and two dogs, a parrot, few more Iguanas 'in transit' and, most
importantly...........a lovely wife!!!
BJC (UK)
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:21:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> .... and he should have a pet iguana?
Yea!! Thats the ticket!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:31:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
avtec2@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Jim do you still need the large air vents
> Harry
> ----- Original
YES!! Gold anodized, I need 4 of them. jb
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:58:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> ...........and two dogs, a parrot, few more Iguanas 'in transit' and, most
> importantly...........a lovely wife!!!
Wife yes, stinking dogs and smelly parrot, NO!! jb
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| Subject: | NEW MWMBWES/NICE FLIGHT |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS. Allow me to introduce a some new members to the TCFG These came
over the Internet thanks to Dan and Chris placing the application online
THANKS!!
First is Dan Farmer. Dan lives in Colorado Springs and is looking to
buy his first Commander.
Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a
gourgious 560 that he has completely restored. I plan to use it a a
"Commander of the Quarter" on the weebsite soon, so check it out.
Finally We have John Cheadle form Nashville TN. John owns and flies a
690B that he uses in his law practice. I had a nice conversation with John
on the phone (we are both former Duke owners). He really loves his new 690.
Welcome all!!
Flew triple 2 to Arlington yesterday. I had great intentions of
seeing the new TCFG guys at AirMatrix, then stopping at TCAC. Then to
Bremerton to look at the wrecked 680 there and finally to Olympia, our state
capitol, to testify in front of the state senate transportation subcommittee.
Well, I made it to AirMatrx. I had so much fun I overstayed, had
lunch and crawled all over their beautiful 560A I had seen this airplane
parked in CA when I was shopping for a project. It was a pretty nice
airplane then, it is spectacular now. I cant list all they have done, but ut
truly is as close to a true "Renassaunse" as I have seen on a bath tub
Commander. The engines have been "0"es. new props, wiring windows paint etc,
etc. The quality of the work is firs rate. It warms my heart to see these
old bathtubs coming back to life.
Anyway Filed IFR (it was good VFR) but for whatever reason the
transponder would not wake up, so they would not give me a clearance. About
1/2 way there, it woke up and worked fine the rest of the day?? (I have a
brand new Becker TXP waiting to be installed) Had a great ride up there 32
X 2600 + 207 MPH @ 6500. From Arlington, I went direct, dodging all the
"Temporary" (for a year and a half) restricted areas to Olympia. The hearing
started at 3:30, but I didn't get to speak until 6. Flew home in the dark,
same power, 202MPH @ 5500. It was a wonderful night to fly. Just enough
weather to be interesting, but never placed the outcome in doubt. Flew a
practice LOC into Arlington and a practice ILS into OLY.
There are a couple of Commanders at OLY. A 680F with IO-720s
installed and a 690. Both are used for aerial pix.
Total flying time was 2.2 It would have taken over 10 to have driven
it. I felt so great to be sitting there, looking at the wonderful view, and
down on all the rows of bumper to bumper traffic while sliding smoothly along
a 200+ MPH!!
Hope you had a great day in "Commanderland" as well. jb
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| Subject: | Shrike Speeds / chat |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
And at least three or four Mile-High Pins on the Sun Visor!
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds / chat
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:21:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> .... and he should have a pet iguana?
Yea!! Thats the ticket!! jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I do but after $2000 on radio repair and an other $2000 on heater repairs
plus prop repairs I can't afford it right now. Hope to in two or three
months.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry
Merritt
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
Jim do you still need the large air vents
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 7:08:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS@aol.com
writes:
> I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than
the
>
> 680E.
HEY MOE. Nice try. Those rickety old cantacorious IGSO-540s only made
380hp for one day, the day they were new. After that, it was a steady
decay.
And then there is the sound of the 680E through those great
augmenters. No, I think the hero should have a 680E all right, painted
white, with red and gold trim.
It should have winglets to. It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done
in
charcoal leather and.............. :-). jb
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| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Andrew,
I am surprised that a mess of replies have not been generated by your
request.
One point I'll make is that everybody seems to have their own variations on
"standardized" techniques for executing any procedure so maybe that's why no
one has responded unless they Emailed you directly.
If you still need info by Sunday post another request and I'll send you some
data.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson
<andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
>
> Hi All,
>
> A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
>
> If one were taking off on a grass strip 2,200 feet ASL, 1,000 yards long,
light to no wind, 30 degrees C (whatever that is in F), full fuel, 4 adults
on board...
>
> Would the pilot use flap, and how much?
> At what speed would the pilot rotate?
> What is best rate of climb speed?
> What is best angle of climb speed?
> Max cruise around 200 mph?
>
>
> Getting down, now - same strip and conditions...
> What is the Red Line speed?
> What is the best descent speed?
> What is max gear extension speed?
> What would my Downwind Leg speed be? At what RPM and Manifold Pressure?
> Base Leg speed, and rate of descent? (500 fpm?)
> Final approach speed?
> How much flap? (55 degrees is max?)
>
> Much appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
>
>
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| Subject: | Flight Control Balance |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Dose anyone know how to measure/calculate the static balance of the
flight controls on the older Aero Commanders (520, 560, etc.) The manual
only gives percentage figures, i.e., elevator is balance at 70%, ruder
is balanced at 80%. How can we ensure that our flight controls are
properly balanced. Twin Commander doesn't have a clue.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Control Balance |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/03 6:20:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> Twin Commander doesn't have a clue.
We don't ether, it is a guess at best. The good news is that there has never
been any instance of flutter in any Commander. Good luck jb
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