---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/15/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:02 AM - NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT (Barry Collman) 2. 08:24 AM - Re: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 3. 09:41 AM - Re: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT (Barry Collman) 4. 10:23 AM - Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (Andrew & Bridget Watson) 5. 11:33 AM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (Nico van Niekerk) 6. 11:56 AM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (Andrew & Bridget Watson) 7. 12:08 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (Nico van Niekerk) 8. 12:30 PM - Re: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready (N414C) 9. 12:31 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (N414C) 10. 12:38 PM - Re: AC520 Strobes (N414C) 11. 01:03 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (Andrew & Bridget Watson) 12. 02:34 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies / chat (CloudCraft@aol.com) 13. 03:03 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and (Bill Hamilton) 14. 03:08 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies / chat (Nico van Niekerk) 15. 04:58 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (Andrew & Bridget Watson) 16. 08:24 PM - Emailing: commander (N414C) 17. 08:30 PM - Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe (MarcioK@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:05 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi All, Capt JimBob - Do 'we' have a serial numbers? Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: NEW MWMBWES/NICE FLIGHT | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | HI KIDS. Allow me to introduce a some new members to the TCFG These came | over the Internet thanks to Dan and Chris placing the application online | THANKS!! | First is Dan Farmer. Dan lives in Colorado Springs and is looking to | buy his first Commander. | Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a | gourgious 560 that he has completely restored. I plan to use it a a | "Commander of the Quarter" on the weebsite soon, so check it out. | Finally We have John Cheadle form Nashville TN. John owns and flies a | 690B that he uses in his law practice. I had a nice conversation with John | on the phone (we are both former Duke owners). He really loves his new 690. | Welcome all!! | Flew triple 2 to Arlington yesterday. I had great intentions of | seeing the new TCFG guys at AirMatrix, then stopping at TCAC. Then to | Bremerton to look at the wrecked 680 there and finally to Olympia, our state | capitol, to testify in front of the state senate transportation subcommittee. | | Well, I made it to AirMatrx. I had so much fun I overstayed, had | lunch and crawled all over their beautiful 560A I had seen this airplane | parked in CA when I was shopping for a project. It was a pretty nice | airplane then, it is spectacular now. I cant list all they have done, but ut | truly is as close to a true "Renassaunse" as I have seen on a bath tub | Commander. The engines have been "0"es. new props, wiring windows paint etc, | etc. The quality of the work is firs rate. It warms my heart to see these | old bathtubs coming back to life. | Anyway Filed IFR (it was good VFR) but for whatever reason the | transponder would not wake up, so they would not give me a clearance. About | 1/2 way there, it woke up and worked fine the rest of the day?? (I have a | brand new Becker TXP waiting to be installed) Had a great ride up there 32 | X 2600 + 207 MPH @ 6500. From Arlington, I went direct, dodging all the | "Temporary" (for a year and a half) restricted areas to Olympia. The hearing | started at 3:30, but I didn't get to speak until 6. Flew home in the dark, | same power, 202MPH @ 5500. It was a wonderful night to fly. Just enough | weather to be interesting, but never placed the outcome in doubt. Flew a | practice LOC into Arlington and a practice ILS into OLY. | There are a couple of Commanders at OLY. A 680F with IO-720s | installed and a 690. Both are used for aerial pix. | Total flying time was 2.2 It would have taken over 10 to have driven | it. I felt so great to be sitting there, looking at the wonderful view, and | down on all the rows of bumper to bumper traffic while sliding smoothly along | a 200+ MPH!! | Hope you had a great day in "Commanderland" as well. jb | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:02 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 2/15/03 7:03:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: > Capt JimBob - Do 'we' have a serial numbers? > Uh, no. But I think I can get them. I am hoping the owners will join our group!! jb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:05 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Ah! I meant the two owners who did join! 1. "Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a gorgeous 560 that he has completely restored. I plan to use it as a "Commander of the Quarter" on the website soon, so check it out." 2. "Finally We have John Cheadle form Nashville TN." If no s/n, an 'N' number? Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | In a message dated 2/15/03 7:03:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: | | > Capt JimBob - Do 'we' have a serial numbers? | > | | Uh, no. But I think I can get them. I am hoping the owners will join our | group!! jb | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:34 AM PST US From: Andrew & Bridget Watson Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson Hi all, More info, please... Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and Zimbabwe. I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. Thanks, Andrew ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:15 AM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" Now that you asked that question, Andrew, it reminded me of a flight to Ladysmith, Natal, one day to visit my parents taking some of the family with us. Because of skydiving and other activities around the airport that Saturday morning, I smartly transmitted from far out, approaching the airport, downwind, base and finals on the unmanned frequency, which was either 126.7 or 127.6, the other being the airlines' frequency above FL180. It sounded funny to me that the airlines would chatter on the unmanned frequency but who am I to tell those boys what they could and couldn't do. The flight ended without incident, but after I shut down and cleaned up the cockpit, strapping the belts in and picking stuff up that the pax usually leave, a guy walked up to me and asked whether I had radio problems. Nope, I said, except that it was rather odd that the airlines would chatter on this frequency. It dawned on me the instant that I repeated it out load, that I was not very smart in not connecting the dots. So, although I didn't really help you with the exact frequency, this might put you in the "50 / 50" category. Perhaps better than that, because my recollection favors 127.6 as the unmanned frequency, but I cannot be sure now. I definitely don't know what it is today. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > Hi all, > > More info, please... > > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and Zimbabwe. > > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:34 AM PST US From: Andrew & Bridget Watson Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson Dankie Nico, I just received another e-mail saying that SA was 120.7 Apparently this guy has the old SA RT procedure for pilots from 1972. The setting for the book is late sixties to late eighties, so this could work. Unfortunately it does not have the Rhodesian unmanned frequency. Regards, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > Now that you asked that question, Andrew, it reminded me of a flight to > Ladysmith, Natal, one day to visit my parents taking some of the family with > us. Because of skydiving and other activities around the airport that > Saturday morning, I smartly transmitted from far out, approaching the > airport, downwind, base and finals on the unmanned frequency, which was > either 126.7 or 127.6, the other being the airlines' frequency above FL180. > It sounded funny to me that the airlines would chatter on the unmanned > frequency but who am I to tell those boys what they could and couldn't do. > The flight ended without incident, but after I shut down and cleaned up the > cockpit, strapping the belts in and picking stuff up that the pax usually > leave, a guy walked up to me and asked whether I had radio problems. Nope, I > said, except that it was rather odd that the airlines would chatter on this > frequency. It dawned on me the instant that I repeated it out load, that I > was not very smart in not connecting the dots. > So, although I didn't really help you with the exact frequency, this might > put you in the "50 / 50" category. Perhaps better than that, because my > recollection favors 127.6 as the unmanned frequency, but I cannot be sure > now. > I definitely don't know what it is today. > Thanks > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > > > > Hi all, > > > > More info, please... > > > > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and > Zimbabwe. > > > > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. > > > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:43 PM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" OK. I will accept that. 120.7 sounds right. See, I really was off the mark that day :-) Nico I tried to find something about it on the Internet and came across this cool site: http://www.thundercity.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > Dankie Nico, > > I just received another e-mail saying that SA was 120.7 > > Apparently this guy has the old SA RT procedure for pilots from 1972. > > The setting for the book is late sixties to late eighties, so this could > work. > > Unfortunately it does not have the Rhodesian unmanned frequency. > > Regards, > Andrew. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nico van Niekerk" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and > Zimbabwe > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > > > > Now that you asked that question, Andrew, it reminded me of a flight to > > Ladysmith, Natal, one day to visit my parents taking some of the family > with > > us. Because of skydiving and other activities around the airport that > > Saturday morning, I smartly transmitted from far out, approaching the > > airport, downwind, base and finals on the unmanned frequency, which was > > either 126.7 or 127.6, the other being the airlines' frequency above > FL180. > > It sounded funny to me that the airlines would chatter on the unmanned > > frequency but who am I to tell those boys what they could and couldn't do. > > The flight ended without incident, but after I shut down and cleaned up > the > > cockpit, strapping the belts in and picking stuff up that the pax usually > > leave, a guy walked up to me and asked whether I had radio problems. Nope, > I > > said, except that it was rather odd that the airlines would chatter on > this > > frequency. It dawned on me the instant that I repeated it out load, that > I > > was not very smart in not connecting the dots. > > So, although I didn't really help you with the exact frequency, this might > > put you in the "50 / 50" category. Perhaps better than that, because my > > recollection favors 127.6 as the unmanned frequency, but I cannot be sure > > now. > > I definitely don't know what it is today. > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > More info, please... > > > > > > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and > > Zimbabwe. > > > > > > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:24 PM PST US From: "N414C" Subject: Commander-List: Re: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready --> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" Milton, Finally got it loaded and working Thanks. Flew it for about an hour. Never flew a 520 but did own the 2nd 560 ever made and flew it just like the 560. Flew just like it should. My 560 was a 520 taken off the production line and converted with 10 more HP per side and a slanted tail. The things I really liked: Climb and cruise at the power settings were exactly as they should be. Attitude on approach at various flap settings as was glide path and rate of descent. Attitude and action during power on and power off stalls with and without flaps was also realistic. Engine out operation was realistic seeming to require increased rudder with increased pitch with the ball and AI reflecting a realistic picture for conditions until airspeed got very low then it seemed differential thrust was lost and the aircraft acted as it would in a power off stall. It trims nicely and flies much more smoothly and is more responsive than the Microsoft planes or other down loads. Did not fly IFR or approaches yet. Possible areas for improvement. It (in my opinion) should accelerate more quickly on the takeoff roll by about 20-25% and is using about the same amount of excess runway for takeoff. The airspeed indicator and OBS numbers are a little fuzzy. Are all the switches that generate a little hand supposed to work? I could not get the mag switches, start buttons, to respond and could not generate fuel flow with the prime switches. Overall a stunningly marvelous job. It is already my favorite sim plane. Milt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milton Shupe" Subject: Re: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready > Hi Milt, :-) > > You bet... see the attached graphical instruction. > > The aircraft is contained in the AC520v1 folder. It's contents are shown in > the attached. Put that whole folder in the FS2002/Aircraft folder. > > The ST_500.cab file contains all the gauges and radios for all 8 panels for > the Commander series. Copy/Paste that file to the FS2002/Gauges folder. > > Let me know how it goes please. > > Milton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N414C" > To: "Milton Shupe" > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready > > > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Milton, > > I am somewhat computer illiterate. > > Can you give me a little bit more specific directions on how to get this > > into flightsim. I have copied an pasted till I am blue in the face and > have > > commander files in just about every aircraft in flightsim. > > > > Thanks, > > Milt > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Milton Shupe" > > To: "Todd Hindmarsh" ; ; "Clayton T > > Dopke" ; "Bruce Campbell" > ; > > "Didier Keller" ; "Frits Abbing" > > ; "Glenn Davy" ; "Joe Sumrall" > > ; "Milt Concannon" ; > "SCOTT > > THOMAS" ; "Tim Westnutt" ; "Tom > > Kinnaird" > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:26 AM > > Subject: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready > > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > Most of you have not yet responded to my original message. If you do > not > > > wish to particpate in the beta, that's okay .... just enjoy the AC520 as > > you > > > have time. If you wish to provide feedback, great, but don't feel > > > obligated. > > > > > > The beta package is ready for download. > > > > > > There are two zips; one is the aircraft folder, one is the gauges .cab > > file. > > > > > > Download both. > > > > > > The AC520v1.zip can be unzipped to a temporary folder and cut/pasted > into > > > your FS2002/Aircraft folder. > > > > > > The ST_500.cab once downloaded MUST BE placed UNDISTURBED in your > > > FS2002/Gauges folder. Do NOT unzip it. > > > > > > There are no textures other than basic chrome and paint. These will > come > > > later. > > > > > > The documentation is not ready, however the basic performance data is > > there. > > > Hand-flying is easy but panel doc can be found in the Documentation > > folder. > > > > > > Flight dynamics are in the ballpark. Use +1-2 degree pitch trim for > > > takeoff. Normal cruise will likely be with -2-3 degree pitch trim. You > > > will find it's always good to keep power on in approach, likely 18-22 MP > > to > > > maintain your descent rates. > > > > > > All I ask is that you provide enough information in your feedback so > that > > I > > > may duplicate your results. Be frank, specific, and thorough. > > > > > > Thank you and ... Have fun. :-) > > > > > > http://www.flightsimonline.com/actemp/AC520v1.zip > > > > > > http://www.flightsimonline.com/actemp/ST_500.cab > > > > > > Milton Shupe > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:43 PM PST US From: "N414C" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" Clearly there are going to be savages and spears in this story. Milt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > Hi all, > > More info, please... > > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and Zimbabwe. > > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:32 PM PST US From: "N414C" Subject: Commander-List: Re: AC520 Strobes --> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" The pilot in those photos looks like the Wing Commander in his younger days. Can't figure out who the skinny shit is in the right seat. Too tall to be Jimbob and to ugly to be me. Too handsome to be Crunk or Jet Paul. Not smart enough looking to be Schuerman. No beer can so it is not Big Al. That pretty much narrows it down to Nico, Tyler, or Barry H. But it probably ain't Barry H because I do not see the hammer sickle insignia of communism on his shirt pocket. Milt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milton Shupe" ; "Milt Concannon" Subject: AC520 Strobes > Gentlemen, > > Do you know if the early 520's had strobe lights, and if so, what their > location was? > > I cannot see strobes in any early pictures. I'm thinking there were no > strobes in those days. lol > > Here are a few pics to share. > > > Milton Shupe > The Flight Simulation Commander Project > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:37 PM PST US From: Andrew & Bridget Watson Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson Now, if I told you, I'd be giving the story away! But, yes, you guessed it - the setting is Southern Africa. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "N414C" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > --> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" > > Clearly there are going to be savages and spears in this story. > Milt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > > > > Hi all, > > > > More info, please... > > > > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and > Zimbabwe. > > > > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. > > > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:29 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies / chat --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 02/15/03 11:33:46 Pacific Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: > I definitely don't know what it is today. Grab hold of yourself, Man! It's Saturday. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:16 PM PST US From: Bill Hamilton Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton Andrew, I don't quite know what you mean by "unmanned frequencies", but there is a common communication frequency used throughout Africa by airlines, etc., it is formalised by ICAO, it is in the Jep Africa section, from memory it is 120.7, but please check, I haven't been to Harare for several years, and I am not at home, so I can't look up my World Wide Text. In addition, there is 123.45 and the standard low level equivalent ( 128.95 ???? but check, again it is a while) for pilot to pilot, but the "common frequency" is the most useful. If you have HF, and need long range comms/Info, talk to Afretair in Harare, they even make restaurant booking for me if I am running late on a Saturday, and don't get to fussed about "contracts and charges". Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 11:23 AM 15/02/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > >Hi all, > >More info, please... > >Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and >Zimbabwe. > >I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. > >Thanks, >Andrew > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:12 PM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies / chat --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" You're right. What was I thinking! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies / chat > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 02/15/03 11:33:46 Pacific Standard Time, > nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: > > > > I definitely don't know what it is today. > > Grab hold of yourself, Man! It's Saturday. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:38 PM PST US From: Andrew & Bridget Watson Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson Thanks, Bill. The unmanned frequency is just as you describe - when one is landing at an uncontrolled strip one turns to that frequency and calls one's position. I thought South Africa was 120.7 and Zimbabwe was 118.7 - when you get home, could you please check and let me know? Thanks. Regards, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hamilton" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe > --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton > > Andrew, > I don't quite know what you mean by "unmanned frequencies", but there is a > common communication frequency used throughout Africa by airlines, etc., > it is formalised by ICAO, it is in the Jep Africa section, from memory it > is 120.7, but please check, I haven't been to Harare for several years, and > I am not at home, so I can't look up my World Wide Text. > In addition, there is 123.45 and the standard low level equivalent ( 128.95 > ???? but check, again it is a while) for pilot to pilot, but the "common > frequency" is the most useful. > If you have HF, and need long range comms/Info, talk to Afretair in Harare, > they even make restaurant booking for me if I am running late on a > Saturday, and don't get to fussed about "contracts and charges". > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > At 11:23 AM 15/02/03 -0700, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >More info, please... > > > >Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and > >Zimbabwe. > > > >I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain. > > > >Thanks, > >Andrew > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:47 PM PST US From: "N414C" Subject: Commander-List: Emailing: commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" Your files are attached and ready to send with this message. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:04 PM PST US From: MarcioK@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe --> Commander-List message posted by: MarcioK@aol.com Andrew, 118.7 used to be Harare Tower. Make the guys call in 126.7 and you won't be far from truth. They could well be at tree top height, frantically calling in HF, the trailing antenna fully extended, dragging...