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1. 12:11 AM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 (Nico van Niekerk)
2. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 (Bill Bow)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
4. 09:49 AM - 500B 500S (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
5. 10:56 AM - Re: 500B 500S (Jimmy Rodriguez)
6. 11:04 AM - Re: 500B 500S (Ricardo A. Otaola)
7. 03:00 PM - Re: 500B 500S (Martini Luc J.R.)
8. 04:30 PM - Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 (Tom Fisher)
9. 05:08 PM - Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 (Bill Bow)
10. 05:16 PM - Re: 500B 500S (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
11. 05:17 PM - Re: 500B 500S (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
12. 05:20 PM - Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 (Tom Fisher)
13. 05:32 PM - Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 (Bill Bow)
14. 05:34 PM - vgtsio54o (Bill Bow)
15. 06:14 PM - Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 (N414C)
16. 06:38 PM - Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 (Tom Fisher)
17. 08:17 PM - Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 (CloudCraft@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Wow! what happened to everybody?
Nico
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Subject: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Everybody is luking and nobody is typing.
bilbo
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From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
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> Wow! what happened to everybody?
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> Nico
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
I am so overwhelmed by the amount of time that it is taking to change the
engine, install a new radio stack, and get the FAA to approve my floor seal
modification in the yolk tube area that I no longer feel like a
pilot....started DEC 1st. and it looks like at least two more weeks.
Moe Mills
N680RR
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS.
I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El Paso,
TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to Acapulco to
spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped the
openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did not
work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux tanks
were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped the
main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap and
an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from his
homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos bottle"
type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that hold
the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just to
make sure, it worked!!
We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9 and
didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the airport.
I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off a
couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He already
speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG member
John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in the
back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's home in
Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the 680FP
All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is well
in your "Commanderland" jb
PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will be
flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the 30th.
Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr@popsecs.com>
Captain Jimbob,
If you're flying down to Venezuela, make a point of stopping in San Juan on
your way down. We'll show you around.
Best Regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG@aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS.
I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El Paso,
TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to Acapulco
to
spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped the
openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did not
work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux tanks
were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped the
main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap and
an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from his
homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos bottle"
type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that hold
the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just to
make sure, it worked!!
We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9 and
didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the
airport.
I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off a
couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He already
speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG member
John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in the
back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's home
in
Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the 680FP
All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is well
in your "Commanderland" jb
PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will be
flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the 30th.
Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
Hi there:
If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact me.
I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders around,
particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
582129930622 ext 203 or portable 011584143334000
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El
Paso,
> TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to Acapulco
to
> spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped the
> openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did not
> work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux tanks
> were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
> We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
> gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped
the
> main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap
and
> an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
> comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
> borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from his
> homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos
bottle"
> type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that hold
> the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just
to
> make sure, it worked!!
> We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9
and
> didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the
airport.
> I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
> I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off a
> couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
> remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
> mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He already
> speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG member
> John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in the
> back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
> Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's home
in
> Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the 680FP
> All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
> deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is
well
> in your "Commanderland" jb
>
> PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will
be
> flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the
30th.
> Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini@foxinternet.net>
A contact in Venezuela!
Can you do me a BIG BIG favor?
See who currently owns a Dornier Do27-A4, SN-147, last known registry was
4X-AJR, formerly owned by Arnold Reinhard.
The Do27 used the GO-480 engine like the Commanders (but low compression
version).
Would love to be able to contact the current owner.
Thanks
Luc Martini
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola"
<otayca@telcel.net.ve>
>
> Hi there:
>
> If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact
me.
> I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders
around,
> particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
>
> 582129930622 ext 203 or portable 011584143334000
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El
> Paso,
> > TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to
Acapulco
> to
> > spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped
the
> > openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did
not
> > work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux
tanks
> > were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
> > We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
> > gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped
> the
> > main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap
> and
> > an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
> > comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
> > borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from
his
> > homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos
> bottle"
> > type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that
hold
> > the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just
> to
> > make sure, it worked!!
> > We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9
> and
> > didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the
> airport.
> > I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
> > I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off
a
> > couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
> > remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
> > mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He
already
> > speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG
member
> > John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in
the
> > back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
> > Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's
home
> in
> > Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the
680FP
> > All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
> > deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is
> well
> > in your "Commanderland" jb
> >
> > PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will
> be
> > flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the
> 30th.
> > Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP & the
685?
Tom F.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Yoda says, "one fifty five gallon drum off the wing per hour" I think.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
the
> 685?
>
> Tom F.
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 3/5/03 11:05:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
otayca@telcel.net.ve writes:
> If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact me.
> I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders around,
> particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
>
Where are you located?? jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 3/5/03 3:02:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
martini@foxinternet.net writes:
> Would love to be able to contact the current owner.
I cant prommis anything. We plan to make a quick turn, but who knows. jb
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Yes, I remember reading that posting when that was said, I was sort of
looking for a figure a little tighter with an emphasis on the comparison
between the LYC IGSO540 and the CON ITSOG520.
And while I'm on the subject, does it matter the order of letters describing
the engine layout?
i.e. ITSOG 520 or IGTSO520 or any other order.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> Yoda says, "one fifty five gallon drum off the wing per hour" I think.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
> the
> > 685?
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
> And while I'm on the subject, does it matter the order of letters
describing
> the engine layout?
> i.e. ITSOG 520 or IGTSO520 or any other order.
Not to me. But thanks for asking.
bilbo
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sorry, guess I'm bored.
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" <N414C@direcway.com>
If you have broadband I can scan and send the 685 charts. Basically it is
60gph in the climb and 44-46gph at 65-70% cruise. 20gph in descent.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
the
> 685?
>
> Tom F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Thanks for that, I do not need the charts at this time.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" <N414C@direcway.com>
>
> If you have broadband I can scan and send the 685 charts. Basically it is
> 60gph in the climb and 44-46gph at 65-70% cruise. 20gph in descent.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
> the
> > 685?
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 03/05/03 17:21:48 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Yes, I remember reading that posting when that was said, I was sort of
> looking for a figure a little tighter with an emphasis on the comparison
> between the LYC IGSO540 and the CON ITSOG520.
> And while I'm on the subject, does it matter the order of letters
> describing
> the engine layout?
> i.e. ITSOG 520 or IGTSO520 or any other order.
On. Ti t'neod errattam ta lla, fi uoy t'nod deen ot eb dootsrednu.
Not sure it made it to the new web server, but I posted IGSO-540 fuel graphs
a long time ago.
Don't have any GTSIO-520 fuel specifics around. Maybe those dashing AC-685
operators on this list can come up with some book figures.
Flight plan-wise, 45 gph for the Lycoming, 55 gph for the Continental.
Wing Commander Gordon
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