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1. 06:48 AM - Re: 560F salvage auction (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
2. 07:42 AM - Re: 560F salvage auction (Ben Baltrusaitis)
3. 12:47 PM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 (Chris Wall)
4. 03:17 PM - Re: 560F salvage auction (Kerry Johnson)
5. 04:59 PM - Re: 560F salvage auction (Barry Collman)
6. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 (J.R. Sprayberry)
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| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 3/8/03 9:05:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
> Too far north.
>
They don't use drugs in Canada?? I think not. I have a friend who sold a
1000 Commander to a guy many years ago, from Canada. He was eventually
busted. The 1000 was his "legitimate" airplane. He had a very special
Cessna 310 "Riley Rocket" with some special tanks that would make the trip
from the Dominican Republic to Canada non stop. His story turned out to be
famous b(some one wrote a book) and he went to jail for many years (as he
should) I don't know what happened to the Commander.
I was also involved in salavaging and making fly again a Howard 250
(Lockheed L-18 vLoadstar) that had been used to smuggle drugs from Mexico to
Canada, with enough range to overfly the US without stopping. It sat
derelict for many years on a N. Idaho airport before a good friend of mine
and I "stole" it. It had lost an engine during a crossing and was abandoned.
jb
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| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
That's really interesting! I wonder if that would make a good project for an experimental.
I would love to try sticking a couple of 4-rotor Mazda engines on
the wings and see what happens. ZOOM ZOOM!
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Nickles
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Patrick Nickles" <aerocommander@nickles.cc>
Just in case any 560F owners out there might be interested in some spare
parts, I stumbled across N201KS this evening.
http://www.salvagesale.com/ShowOffer.asp?OfferID11955
Patrick Nickles
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| Subject: | RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" <cwall@worldflight2000.com>
Glad to see everybody chatting things up again.
I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy
inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the
mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to
the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was
working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly
that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well
done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the
airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome.
So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look
at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out
to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a
corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been
owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the
list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on
Monday to get everything up to speed.
Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental
car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could
have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead).
Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on
Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on
Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection
on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you
can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed
back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to
deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners
this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm
twisting.
I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very
smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and
treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John
Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton.
Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much
as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which
might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he
is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to
share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch
enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself.
cwall
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| Subject: | 560F salvage auction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
If you read the comments it says the wreck happened on the take off run. I
think that's why the emergency brake knob was circled. I'm assuming the
pilot tried to take off with the emergency brakes set and he didn't get off
the ground. Makes me wonder why he would continue the take off roll?
Kerry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 03/08/03 19:57:34 Pacific Standard Time,
fighterf@ozemail.com.au writes:
> What a sad end to what was obviously a very nice aircraft.
> From the upper wing panel access plate removed, was it a fuel leak, the
> hard line ringed is not a fuel line.
>
Bill,
Hydraulic line.
Looking at the images, could the runway over-run have been due to no brakes
on touch down due to hydraulic loss?
If so, that was the wrong runway to use. (Unless fuel level was as low as
the hydraulic fluid.)
Another anomaly. One photo shows the parking brake lever in the set
position. A habit by the pilot, during egress? Or was it set at landing?
Remember, when the Commander parking brake is set, the brakes are isolated
from the rest of the hydraulic system. That means no pressure would get to
them no matter how hard you mash on the pedals.
This is also relevant when starting engines with the parking brake set.
With
low brake pressure at the calipers, there may not be enough pressure to hold
the aircraft with an engine(s) running.
I prefer to hold 'em myself and not use the parking brake.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi gang,
N201KS was damaged at a private strip at Thorndale, Ontario, Canada, on August
20th 2002.
This is what the pilot reported:
"I recently had Cleveland brakes and wheels installed on my 560F. On take-off
the brakes apparently, dragged, heated up and locked. I ended up in corn field
about 100' off the end of the grass strip. I did not notice the brakes dragging
during taxing and on a few high speed runs (up to 50 mph). I am at a loss to
explain how the brakes came on. One possibility I thought of was that I had not
pushed the plunger type parking brake release all the way in, so after the
accident I, asked a mechanic to check it and it was all the way in.
I was wondering if the hydraulic valve that sets the park brake and is actuated
by the plunger is capable of allowing a small amount of pressure on the brakes
or is it an 'all or nothing' valve. The plane sustained significant damage and
I
was injured when the windscreen shattered."
Barry C.
UK
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "J.R. Sprayberry" <capnspray@hotmail.com>
I agree about Gary He should stand up and give us his opinion on some of
these maintenance issues, Gary you were taught by the best, Dick Wartinger.
we love you guy's at Commander Aero, HELP US KEEP THESE WONDERFUL AIRPLANES
FLYING.
Regards: Jerry Sprayberry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wall" <cwall@worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall"
<cwall@worldflight2000.com>
>
> Glad to see everybody chatting things up again.
>
> I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy
> inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the
> mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to
> the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was
> working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly
> that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well
> done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the
> airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome.
>
> So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look
> at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out
> to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a
> corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been
> owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the
> list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on
> Monday to get everything up to speed.
>
> Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental
> car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could
> have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead).
> Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on
> Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on
> Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection
> on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you
> can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed
> back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to
> deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners
> this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm
> twisting.
>
> I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very
> smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and
> treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John
> Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton.
>
> Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much
> as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which
> might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he
> is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to
> share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch
> enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself.
>
> cwall
>
>
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