---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/09/03: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:48 AM - Re: 560F salvage auction (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 2. 07:42 AM - Re: 560F salvage auction (Ben Baltrusaitis) 3. 12:47 PM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 (Chris Wall) 4. 03:17 PM - Re: 560F salvage auction (Kerry Johnson) 5. 04:59 PM - Re: 560F salvage auction (Barry Collman) 6. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 (J.R. Sprayberry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:48 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 3/8/03 9:05:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, CloudCraft@aol.com writes: > Too far north. > They don't use drugs in Canada?? I think not. I have a friend who sold a 1000 Commander to a guy many years ago, from Canada. He was eventually busted. The 1000 was his "legitimate" airplane. He had a very special Cessna 310 "Riley Rocket" with some special tanks that would make the trip from the Dominican Republic to Canada non stop. His story turned out to be famous b(some one wrote a book) and he went to jail for many years (as he should) I don't know what happened to the Commander. I was also involved in salavaging and making fly again a Howard 250 (Lockheed L-18 vLoadstar) that had been used to smuggle drugs from Mexico to Canada, with enough range to overfly the US without stopping. It sat derelict for many years on a N. Idaho airport before a good friend of mine and I "stole" it. It had lost an engine during a crossing and was abandoned. jb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:34 AM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" That's really interesting! I wonder if that would make a good project for an experimental. I would love to try sticking a couple of 4-rotor Mazda engines on the wings and see what happens. ZOOM ZOOM! Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Nickles To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "Patrick Nickles" Just in case any 560F owners out there might be interested in some spare parts, I stumbled across N201KS this evening. http://www.salvagesale.com/ShowOffer.asp?OfferID11955 Patrick Nickles ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:05 PM PST US From: "Chris Wall" Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" Glad to see everybody chatting things up again. I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome. So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on Monday to get everything up to speed. Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead). Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm twisting. I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton. Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself. cwall ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:32 PM PST US From: "Kerry Johnson" Subject: RE: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" If you read the comments it says the wreck happened on the take off run. I think that's why the emergency brake knob was circled. I'm assuming the pilot tried to take off with the emergency brakes set and he didn't get off the ground. Makes me wonder why he would continue the take off roll? Kerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 03/08/03 19:57:34 Pacific Standard Time, fighterf@ozemail.com.au writes: > What a sad end to what was obviously a very nice aircraft. > From the upper wing panel access plate removed, was it a fuel leak, the > hard line ringed is not a fuel line. > Bill, Hydraulic line. Looking at the images, could the runway over-run have been due to no brakes on touch down due to hydraulic loss? If so, that was the wrong runway to use. (Unless fuel level was as low as the hydraulic fluid.) Another anomaly. One photo shows the parking brake lever in the set position. A habit by the pilot, during egress? Or was it set at landing? Remember, when the Commander parking brake is set, the brakes are isolated from the rest of the hydraulic system. That means no pressure would get to them no matter how hard you mash on the pedals. This is also relevant when starting engines with the parking brake set. With low brake pressure at the calipers, there may not be enough pressure to hold the aircraft with an engine(s) running. I prefer to hold 'em myself and not use the parking brake. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:44 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi gang, N201KS was damaged at a private strip at Thorndale, Ontario, Canada, on August 20th 2002. This is what the pilot reported: "I recently had Cleveland brakes and wheels installed on my 560F. On take-off the brakes apparently, dragged, heated up and locked. I ended up in corn field about 100' off the end of the grass strip. I did not notice the brakes dragging during taxing and on a few high speed runs (up to 50 mph). I am at a loss to explain how the brakes came on. One possibility I thought of was that I had not pushed the plunger type parking brake release all the way in, so after the accident I, asked a mechanic to check it and it was all the way in. I was wondering if the hydraulic valve that sets the park brake and is actuated by the plunger is capable of allowing a small amount of pressure on the brakes or is it an 'all or nothing' valve. The plane sustained significant damage and I was injured when the windscreen shattered." Barry C. UK ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:13 PM PST US From: "J.R. Sprayberry" Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 --> Commander-List message posted by: "J.R. Sprayberry" I agree about Gary He should stand up and give us his opinion on some of these maintenance issues, Gary you were taught by the best, Dick Wartinger. we love you guy's at Commander Aero, HELP US KEEP THESE WONDERFUL AIRPLANES FLYING. Regards: Jerry Sprayberry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Wall" Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Chris Wall" > > Glad to see everybody chatting things up again. > > I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy > inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the > mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to > the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was > working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly > that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well > done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the > airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome. > > So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look > at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out > to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a > corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been > owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the > list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on > Monday to get everything up to speed. > > Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental > car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could > have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead). > Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on > Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on > Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection > on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you > can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed > back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to > deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners > this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm > twisting. > > I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very > smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and > treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John > Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton. > > Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much > as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which > might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he > is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to > share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch > enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself. > > cwall > >