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1. 07:05 AM - Milt (Bill Bow)
2. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Feedback (Bill Bow)
3. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Feedback (Stephen Crow)
4. 08:13 AM - Gears (Barry Hancock)
5. 02:51 PM - Re: Gears and Such (JETPAUL@aol.com)
6. 05:33 PM - Re: Gears (Stephen Crow)
7. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Gears and Such (Jody and Susan Pillatzki)
8. 10:15 PM - COMMANDER U (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Milt,Your mail is screwed up again/still.
bilbo
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
THANKS, Stephen, I was beginning to feel a little lonesome out here. I am
reminded of how outdated my engines are every time I hear about all the new
geared engines coming out of Continental and Lycoming.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Crow" <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
>
> Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK
Bilbo! Steve C.
> _______________________________________________
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2003 2:55:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> > Could there possibly be an advantage to NOT HAVING GEARS???????? :>)
> >
> > bilbo
> >
>
> Nope, Sorry Bilbo!!!! You were already slower, took more runway,
climbed
> less, used the same fuel, and had less single engine performance.
Therefore
> paying someone thousands to make your airplane even more quiet would
make it
> even slower, take even more runway, climb even less, use more fuel, and
> etc.......
>
> Sorry but since nobody has said the word "SUMP!!" lately I thought I
would
> stir things up a bit. When was the last time somebody bought a
Commander
> because it was Quiet anyway!!! Get some ANR headsets, and spend the
rest on
> AVGAS!!!!!!!!
>
> Jet(Been morning the sell of my Commander, but back to my old self)Paul
>
>
Message 3
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
I've left the commander stage, but I'll be back! (sans gears of course) I have
2000hr. TBO and no gears for now. Stephen C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
THANKS, Stephen, I was beginning to feel a little lonesome out here. I am
reminded of how outdated my engines are every time I hear about all the new
geared engines coming out of Continental and Lycoming.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Crow" <k4cpx@arrl.net>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
>
> Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK
Bilbo! Steve C.
> _______________________________________________
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2003 2:55:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> > Could there possibly be an advantage to NOT HAVING GEARS???????? :>)
> >
> > bilbo
> >
>
> Nope, Sorry Bilbo!!!! You were already slower, took more runway,
climbed
> less, used the same fuel, and had less single engine performance.
Therefore
> paying someone thousands to make your airplane even more quiet would
make it
> even slower, take even more runway, climb even less, use more fuel, and
> etc.......
>
> Sorry but since nobody has said the word "SUMP!!" lately I thought I
would
> stir things up a bit. When was the last time somebody bought a
Commander
> because it was Quiet anyway!!! Get some ANR headsets, and spend the
rest on
> AVGAS!!!!!!!!
>
> Jet(Been morning the sell of my Commander, but back to my old self)Paul
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> A doctor friend of mine who has been a 310 man is now
> seeing the error of his ways after 20 minutes in my GEARED commander.
He must have an early model 310, because as much as I love Commanders,
they cannot keep up with the higher performance 310's in cruise.
> Shorter takeoff, better cruise, and that lovely sound. If you want
> something
> quiet buy something that burns Kerosene.
> Jody
Not just "something", buy a Turbo Commander! :) Actually, have you
guys (and gals) taken a gander at the Lancair PropJet? Yikes! 340kt
cruise on 45 gph, 4000 fpm through 20K, and a 36:1 glide ratio of the
thing quits! Those are not marketing numbers, those are real numbers.
Talk about swift and efficient personal transportation.
<deep ballsy announcer dude> "We now return you to your regularly
scheduled programming"
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
Message 5
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| Subject: | Re: Gears and Such |
--> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2003 2:55:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK
> Bilbo!
> Steve C.
>
Jody is the proud new owner of 411V V. Although you have a point in the
price of gears, I think Jody is still trying to wipe the grin off his face.
I kept trying to tell ya'll that our 520 was for sale, AND IT CAME WITH 3
SPARE ENGINES, 1 of which is a part 135 TBO runout, but it's complete QEC
(Quick Engine Change), right down to the engine cradle, Lord mounts, Mags,
Wiring Harness, Plugs, etc. With the cowl already off you could trade
engines in an afternoon.
So let's recap here, 1 520 Commander, 3 spare engines, 2 spare carbs, NEW
JANITROL, New panel, New interior, Shrike seats, etc., etc. Price?
Priceless.
Or read less than half of any other non geared won't climb on one engine at
gross weight NON-COMMANDER (310, B-55,Aztruck, etc.)
Gears??? Jody's got em times 5.
JetPaul
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Bilbo ; Send me a valid E/M address. Steve C. k4cpx@arrl.net
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| Subject: | Re: Gears and Such |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki@702com.net>
Can I get a YEAH BABY!!!!.
Jody(Still Grinning)Pillatzki
----- Original Message -----
From: <JETPAUL@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Gears and Such
> --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/27/2003 2:55:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> > Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK
> > Bilbo!
> > Steve C.
> >
>
> Jody is the proud new owner of 411V V. Although you have a point in the
> price of gears, I think Jody is still trying to wipe the grin off his
face.
> I kept trying to tell ya'll that our 520 was for sale, AND IT CAME WITH 3
> SPARE ENGINES, 1 of which is a part 135 TBO runout, but it's complete QEC
> (Quick Engine Change), right down to the engine cradle, Lord mounts, Mags,
> Wiring Harness, Plugs, etc. With the cowl already off you could trade
> engines in an afternoon.
>
> So let's recap here, 1 520 Commander, 3 spare engines, 2 spare carbs, NEW
> JANITROL, New panel, New interior, Shrike seats, etc., etc. Price?
> Priceless.
>
> Or read less than half of any other non geared won't climb on one engine
at
> gross weight NON-COMMANDER (310, B-55,Aztruck, etc.)
>
> Gears??? Jody's got em times 5.
>
> JetPaul
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS.
Barry C and I arrived today in trusty old triple 2. Had a minor
(OK, not so minor) exhaust problem but worked it out (long story).
We were gear up at 11;15 and touched down 4+30 later in SDL. Spent
most of the time at 14.5 with great tail winds. Was able to maintain 31
inches at 14. 2600 netted 165kts indicated.
We landed and taxied in and were the only "bathtub" Commander there
(no surprise) We had no sooner commented that there would probably not be any
others that and drop dead gorgeous 680E can taxing in from Guatemala!!!! The
airplane is owned by the guy who bought it new in 1960!!! He sold it after
15 years, then bought it back and completely restored it, repainting and
upholstering it just as it was in 1960. It now has clevelands, a garman 530
etc, but is otherwise stock. Only 2800TT!!!! (He spent as much to OH the
engines as he paid for the airplane new!!)
What a wonderful site. There are about 25 other Commanders, all
turbines except one 500S from Canada. We had a reception tonight and I had
dinner with John Bosch and Gary Kromer from Commander Aero. We had a great
planing meeting on the flyin in Sept. John has done a wonderful job of
planing what will be the best TCFG gathering ever!! Everybody needs to plan
on attending.
Got to go. Will write more tomorrow. jb
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