---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/27/03: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:05 AM - Milt (Bill Bow) 2. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Feedback (Bill Bow) 3. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Feedback (Stephen Crow) 4. 08:13 AM - Gears (Barry Hancock) 5. 02:51 PM - Re: Gears and Such (JETPAUL@aol.com) 6. 05:33 PM - Re: Gears (Stephen Crow) 7. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Gears and Such (Jody and Susan Pillatzki) 8. 10:15 PM - COMMANDER U (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:03 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Commander-List: Milt --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Milt,Your mail is screwed up again/still. bilbo ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:41 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" THANKS, Stephen, I was beginning to feel a little lonesome out here. I am reminded of how outdated my engines are every time I hear about all the new geared engines coming out of Continental and Lycoming. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Crow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback > --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow > > > Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK Bilbo! Steve C. > _______________________________________________ > > --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/25/2003 2:55:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, > commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > > > Could there possibly be an advantage to NOT HAVING GEARS???????? :>) > > > > bilbo > > > > Nope, Sorry Bilbo!!!! You were already slower, took more runway, climbed > less, used the same fuel, and had less single engine performance. Therefore > paying someone thousands to make your airplane even more quiet would make it > even slower, take even more runway, climb even less, use more fuel, and > etc....... > > Sorry but since nobody has said the word "SUMP!!" lately I thought I would > stir things up a bit. When was the last time somebody bought a Commander > because it was Quiet anyway!!! Get some ANR headsets, and spend the rest on > AVGAS!!!!!!!! > > Jet(Been morning the sell of my Commander, but back to my old self)Paul > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:42 AM PST US From: Stephen Crow Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow I've left the commander stage, but I'll be back! (sans gears of course) I have 2000hr. TBO and no gears for now. Stephen C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" THANKS, Stephen, I was beginning to feel a little lonesome out here. I am reminded of how outdated my engines are every time I hear about all the new geared engines coming out of Continental and Lycoming. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Crow" To: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Feedback > --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow > > > Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK Bilbo! Steve C. > _______________________________________________ > > --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/25/2003 2:55:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, > commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > > > Could there possibly be an advantage to NOT HAVING GEARS???????? :>) > > > > bilbo > > > > Nope, Sorry Bilbo!!!! You were already slower, took more runway, climbed > less, used the same fuel, and had less single engine performance. Therefore > paying someone thousands to make your airplane even more quiet would make it > even slower, take even more runway, climb even less, use more fuel, and > etc....... > > Sorry but since nobody has said the word "SUMP!!" lately I thought I would > stir things up a bit. When was the last time somebody bought a Commander > because it was Quiet anyway!!! Get some ANR headsets, and spend the rest on > AVGAS!!!!!!!! > > Jet(Been morning the sell of my Commander, but back to my old self)Paul > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:51 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Gears From: Barry Hancock --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > A doctor friend of mine who has been a 310 man is now > seeing the error of his ways after 20 minutes in my GEARED commander. He must have an early model 310, because as much as I love Commanders, they cannot keep up with the higher performance 310's in cruise. > Shorter takeoff, better cruise, and that lovely sound. If you want > something > quiet buy something that burns Kerosene. > Jody Not just "something", buy a Turbo Commander! :) Actually, have you guys (and gals) taken a gander at the Lancair PropJet? Yikes! 340kt cruise on 45 gph, 4000 fpm through 20K, and a 36:1 glide ratio of the thing quits! Those are not marketing numbers, those are real numbers. Talk about swift and efficient personal transportation. "We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming" Barry Hancock Red Stars, Inc. 949.300.5510 www.allredstar.com "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:11 PM PST US From: JETPAUL@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Re: Gears and Such --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com In a message dated 3/27/2003 2:55:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK > Bilbo! > Steve C. > Jody is the proud new owner of 411V V. Although you have a point in the price of gears, I think Jody is still trying to wipe the grin off his face. I kept trying to tell ya'll that our 520 was for sale, AND IT CAME WITH 3 SPARE ENGINES, 1 of which is a part 135 TBO runout, but it's complete QEC (Quick Engine Change), right down to the engine cradle, Lord mounts, Mags, Wiring Harness, Plugs, etc. With the cowl already off you could trade engines in an afternoon. So let's recap here, 1 520 Commander, 3 spare engines, 2 spare carbs, NEW JANITROL, New panel, New interior, Shrike seats, etc., etc. Price? Priceless. Or read less than half of any other non geared won't climb on one engine at gross weight NON-COMMANDER (310, B-55,Aztruck, etc.) Gears??? Jody's got em times 5. JetPaul ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:15 PM PST US From: Stephen Crow Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gears --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow Bilbo ; Send me a valid E/M address. Steve C. k4cpx@arrl.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:31 PM PST US From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Gears and Such --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" Can I get a YEAH BABY!!!!. Jody(Still Grinning)Pillatzki ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: Re: Gears and Such > --> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com > > In a message dated 3/27/2003 2:55:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > > > Whoa! Wait 'till you have to PAY for those ggggggggears! Your bird's OK > > Bilbo! > > Steve C. > > > > Jody is the proud new owner of 411V V. Although you have a point in the > price of gears, I think Jody is still trying to wipe the grin off his face. > I kept trying to tell ya'll that our 520 was for sale, AND IT CAME WITH 3 > SPARE ENGINES, 1 of which is a part 135 TBO runout, but it's complete QEC > (Quick Engine Change), right down to the engine cradle, Lord mounts, Mags, > Wiring Harness, Plugs, etc. With the cowl already off you could trade > engines in an afternoon. > > So let's recap here, 1 520 Commander, 3 spare engines, 2 spare carbs, NEW > JANITROL, New panel, New interior, Shrike seats, etc., etc. Price? > Priceless. > > Or read less than half of any other non geared won't climb on one engine at > gross weight NON-COMMANDER (310, B-55,Aztruck, etc.) > > Gears??? Jody's got em times 5. > > JetPaul > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:19 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER U --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. Barry C and I arrived today in trusty old triple 2. Had a minor (OK, not so minor) exhaust problem but worked it out (long story). We were gear up at 11;15 and touched down 4+30 later in SDL. Spent most of the time at 14.5 with great tail winds. Was able to maintain 31 inches at 14. 2600 netted 165kts indicated. We landed and taxied in and were the only "bathtub" Commander there (no surprise) We had no sooner commented that there would probably not be any others that and drop dead gorgeous 680E can taxing in from Guatemala!!!! The airplane is owned by the guy who bought it new in 1960!!! He sold it after 15 years, then bought it back and completely restored it, repainting and upholstering it just as it was in 1960. It now has clevelands, a garman 530 etc, but is otherwise stock. Only 2800TT!!!! (He spent as much to OH the engines as he paid for the airplane new!!) What a wonderful site. There are about 25 other Commanders, all turbines except one 500S from Canada. We had a reception tonight and I had dinner with John Bosch and Gary Kromer from Commander Aero. We had a great planing meeting on the flyin in Sept. John has done a wonderful job of planing what will be the best TCFG gathering ever!! Everybody needs to plan on attending. Got to go. Will write more tomorrow. jb