---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/18/03: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:55 AM - GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 2. 10:07 AM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (CloudCraft@aol.com) 3. 11:40 AM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 4. 12:09 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (Maxime Gou) 5. 12:27 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (MOEMILLS@aol.com) 6. 12:38 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 7. 01:30 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 8. 01:31 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 9. 01:39 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 10. 01:49 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (Nico van Niekerk) 11. 01:57 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 12. 04:07 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (MOEMILLS@aol.com) 13. 06:37 PM - pugly piper pix (Chris Schuermann) 14. 09:06 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 15. 09:08 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:52 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS. Anybody have a good shop that will do O/H on geared engines?? I am putting the finishing touches on an article about geared O/H and would love to hear of any shops that might do them and do a good job. thanks. jb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:11 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com No article on geared engine O/H would be complete without: George Czarnecki Central Cylinder 6315 Lindbergh Dr Omaha NE 68110 tel. 402-451-6468 fax. 402-451-3202 Central Cylinder Service, Inc. ~ Aircraft Engine Rebuilders ~ centralcylinder.com And specifically, follow their link to their "specialties" page - geared Lycomings: Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:50 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/2003 10:07:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, CloudCraft@aol.com writes: > No article on geared engine O/H would be complete without: Will do!! jb ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US From: "Maxime Gou" Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" please remove me from your list >From: YOURTCFG@aol.com >Reply-To: commander-list@matronics.com >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:40:08 EDT > >--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > >In a message dated 4/18/2003 10:07:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, >CloudCraft@aol.com writes: > > > No article on geared engine O/H would be complete without: > >Will do!! jb > > MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:19 PM PST US From: MOEMILLS@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com J B I just had Ron at Performance Aero do both of my engines. I am very impressed with his shop, and general knowledge. I have put nine hours on one engine and one hour on the other just yesterday. The frequent flying starts this afternoon, so I will keep you updated. In dealing with in the past we have found Ron to be a very honest and fair person. His shop does many engines for acrobatic pilots, as well as Reno racer types, so a lot of his work is for "non certified" engines. See the April 2003 issue of "Custom Planes" for info. on his AEIO-580 stroker kits (600 cubic inches). The frequent flying starts this afternoon, so I should have some time on the engines soon. While I certainly do not wish to speak unkindly about Central Cylinder, they rebuilt a Simmonds pump a while back ($4,000.00) and within a few hours it had leaked so much fuel back into the crankcase, that oil pressure was lost, and this most likely caused premature wear to the engine. It just goes to show that we are all human, and anyone can make a mistake. Best regards, Moe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:02 PM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" I have always heard good things about Central Cylinder. They did the overhauls on my IGSO 540's (AC680F), which are running fine at 400 hours. However, they started leaking oil out the top of the case halves at about 150 hours (both engines), and now create a huge mess of oil blown all over the engines, cowls, tail, etc. I have to wipe everything down after flying for more than an hour or so to keep up with it...it's a real pain. Apparently, they didn't get a good seal at the case halves, didn't torque the bolts properly or ???. Morris Kernick will try to come up with a fix at my next annual. But short of pulling the engines and splitting the halves, I don't know what to do. Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH > --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com > > J B > > I just had Ron at Performance Aero do both of my engines. I am very > impressed with his shop, and general knowledge. I have put nine hours on one > engine and one hour on the other just yesterday. The frequent flying starts > this afternoon, so I will keep you updated. > > In dealing with in the past we have found Ron to be a very honest and fair > person. His shop does many engines for acrobatic pilots, as well as Reno > racer types, so a lot of his work is for "non certified" engines. See the > April 2003 issue of "Custom Planes" for info. on his AEIO-580 stroker kits > (600 cubic inches). > > The frequent flying starts this afternoon, so I should have some time on the > engines soon. > > While I certainly do not wish to speak unkindly about Central Cylinder, they > rebuilt a Simmonds pump a while back ($4,000.00) and within a few hours it > had leaked so much fuel back into the crankcase, that oil pressure was lost, > and this most likely caused premature wear to the engine. It just goes to > show that we are all human, and anyone can make a mistake. > > Best regards, > > Moe > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:09 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/2003 12:10:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, maximegou@hotmail.com writes: > please remove me from your list Go to Martonics. com and you can remove yourself. Bye jb ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:23 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/2003 12:27:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS@aol.com writes: > I just had Ron at Performance Aero do both of my engines. I am very > impressed with his shop, and general knowledge. I have put nine hours on > one > engine and one hour on the other just yesterday. The frequent flying starts > > this afternoon, so I will keep you updated. > Do you have contact information for him?? jb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:14 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/2003 12:38:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, rcdettmer@charter.net writes: > I have always heard good things about Central Cylinder. They did the > overhauls on my IGSO 540's (AC680F), which are running fine at 400 hours. > However, they started leaking oil out the top of the case halves at about > 150 hours (both engines), and now create a huge mess of oil blown all over > the engines, cowls, tail, etc. I have to wipe everything down after flying > for more than an hour or so to keep up with it...it's a real pain. > Apparently, they didn't get a good seal at the case halves, didn't torque > the bolts properly or ???. I will include them. Try this for you case halves. (I will never admit to doing this, I just "heard" it works;-)) 1Run engines and warm them to near operating temp. 2 .Using a wire "toothbrush" and acetone, clean the tar out of the case split and wipe with clean cloth 3 Mix a small amount of JB weld and apply to the case split. The heat will flow the material and make it look super smooth. It also makes the material less viscous so it penetrates a ways into the split. 4 allow at least 24 hr before running the engines. Good of 500 - 600hr (so I am told) It will not have any adverse effect at OH since the case cleaning process will easily dispatch any remaining material. Repeat as nessecary. Good luck jb ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:14 PM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" Is the JB weld from jb like a moonshine home brew? ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > In a message dated 4/18/2003 12:38:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rcdettmer@charter.net writes: > > > I have always heard good things about Central Cylinder. They did the > > overhauls on my IGSO 540's (AC680F), which are running fine at 400 hours. > > However, they started leaking oil out the top of the case halves at about > > 150 hours (both engines), and now create a huge mess of oil blown all over > > the engines, cowls, tail, etc. I have to wipe everything down after flying > > for more than an hour or so to keep up with it...it's a real pain. > > Apparently, they didn't get a good seal at the case halves, didn't torque > > the bolts properly or ???. > > I will include them. Try this for you case halves. (I will never admit to > doing this, I just "heard" it works;-)) > 1Run engines and warm them to near operating temp. > 2 .Using a wire "toothbrush" and acetone, clean the tar out of the case > split and wipe with clean cloth > 3 Mix a small amount of JB weld and apply to the case split. The heat will > flow the material and make it look super smooth. It also makes the material > less viscous so it penetrates a ways into the split. > 4 allow at least 24 hr before running the engines. Good of 500 - 600hr (so > I am told) It will not have any adverse effect at OH since the case cleaning > process will easily dispatch any remaining material. Repeat as nessecary. > Good luck jb > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:18 PM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Thanks JB...we'll give it a try. RD ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > In a message dated 4/18/2003 12:38:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rcdettmer@charter.net writes: > > > I have always heard good things about Central Cylinder. They did the > > overhauls on my IGSO 540's (AC680F), which are running fine at 400 hours. > > However, they started leaking oil out the top of the case halves at about > > 150 hours (both engines), and now create a huge mess of oil blown all over > > the engines, cowls, tail, etc. I have to wipe everything down after flying > > for more than an hour or so to keep up with it...it's a real pain. > > Apparently, they didn't get a good seal at the case halves, didn't torque > > the bolts properly or ???. > > I will include them. Try this for you case halves. (I will never admit to > doing this, I just "heard" it works;-)) > 1Run engines and warm them to near operating temp. > 2 .Using a wire "toothbrush" and acetone, clean the tar out of the case > split and wipe with clean cloth > 3 Mix a small amount of JB weld and apply to the case split. The heat will > flow the material and make it look super smooth. It also makes the material > less viscous so it penetrates a ways into the split. > 4 allow at least 24 hr before running the engines. Good of 500 - 600hr (so > I am told) It will not have any adverse effect at OH since the case cleaning > process will easily dispatch any remaining material. Repeat as nessecary. > Good luck jb > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:47 PM PST US From: MOEMILLS@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com Performance Aero Engines Bracket Airport 1935 McKinley Ave #C Laverne, CA 91750 Phone 909.593.5008 Fax 909.593.3774 www.performanceaeroengines.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:07 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Commander-List: pugly piper pix --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann have had several inquiries as to how our piper restoration is progressing so I've slapped up a few pictures in case anyone is interested: http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/ chris ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:46 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com THANKS MOE. jb ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:11 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: GEARED ENGINE OH --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 4/18/2003 1:49:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: > Is the JB weld from jb like a moonshine home brew? I wish I got a penny every time they sold some!! jb, or JB