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1. 07:41 AM - Re: NICE FLIGHT (COMMANDER560@cs.com)
2. 10:02 AM - HAPPE EASTER (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
3. 12:45 PM - Re: HAPPE EASTER (Nico van Niekerk)
4. 12:57 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (Jim Addington)
5. 01:28 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (N414C)
6. 01:33 PM - Re: Am I missing something. (JETPAUL@aol.com)
7. 02:29 PM - Re: GEARED ENGINE OH (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 02:33 PM - NICO...720 MANUAL (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
9. 04:05 PM - Re: Fuel cells (RnJThompson@aol.com)
10. 04:23 PM - Re: NICE FLIGHT (Tom Fisher)
11. 06:14 PM - Re: pugly piper pix (Chris Schuermann)
12. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Fuel cells (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
13. 07:48 PM - 680fl's (Dan Farmer)
14. 08:40 PM - Re: 680-FLs (CloudCraft@aol.com)
15. 09:32 PM - Re: pugly piper pix (Nico van Niekerk)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: COMMANDER560@cs.com
JB, I got in the air in my 195, does that count, it was great. Joe
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS.
I jus wanted to wish everyone a happy Easter and remind you
that this holiday has nothing to do with bunnies or eggs. It is to celebrate
our risen savior, Jesus Christ. happy Easter to all. jb
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| Subject: | Re: HAPPE EASTER |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Amen.
And with the merits of His sacrifice we have received the righteousness that
restores in us the eternal life we have lost.
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Subject: Commander-List: HAPPE EASTER
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
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> HI KIDS.
>
> I jus wanted to wish everyone a happy Easter and remind
you
> that this holiday has nothing to do with bunnies or eggs. It is to
celebrate
> our risen savior, Jesus Christ. happy Easter to all. jb
>
>
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| Subject: | GEARED ENGINE OH |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Happy Easter,
Would the J B Weld trick work on the pan gasket on my IO-470's? I have a
leak there and the engine has to be pulled to change it. I would not admit
doing it either but if it will work it may show up some day.
Jim
N444BD
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I will include them. Try this for you case halves. (I will never admit to
doing this, I just "heard" it works;-))
1Run engines and warm them to near operating temp.
2 .Using a wire "toothbrush" and acetone, clean the tar out of the case
split and wipe with clean cloth
3 Mix a small amount of JB weld and apply to the case split. The heat will
flow the material and make it look super smooth. It also makes the material
less viscous so it penetrates a ways into the split.
4 allow at least 24 hr before running the engines. Good of 500 - 600hr
(so
I am told) It will not have any adverse effect at OH since the case
cleaning
process will easily dispatch any remaining material. Repeat as nessecary.
Good luck jb
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| Subject: | Re: GEARED ENGINE OH |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N414C" <N414C@direcway.com>
Nope,
Tried it. Did not work. Pull the engine and do it right. It will be cheaper
in the long run.
Milt
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| Subject: | Re: Am I missing something. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: JETPAUL@aol.com
In a message dated 4/20/2003 2:55:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
commander-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> Am I missing something?
>
> bilbo
>
Am I missing something?
bilbo
YEP!!!! GEARS!!!!!!!!
JetPaul
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| Subject: | Re: GEARED ENGINE OH |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 4/20/2003 12:57:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jtaddington@charter.net writes:
> Happy Easter,
> Would the J B Weld trick work on the pan gasket on my IO-470's? I have a
> leak there and the engine has to be pulled to change it. I would not admit
> doing it either but if it will work it may show up some day.
> Jim
Nope, wont work on that, sorry. jb
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| Subject: | NICO...720 MANUAL |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI NICO.
There is a 720 maintenance manual on ebay for $15, so far
nobody has bid. Just thought you should know, jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com
Hi all,
Dumb question .
Are the fuel cells for a 500S the same as those in a 680E ?
Regards,
Richard
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I was not able to climb into a 680FLP this weekend but I did manage to get 8
crewed search aircraft up on an exercise.
They were not looking for Easter eggs.
Tom F.
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From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: NICE FLIGHT
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
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> HI KIDS..
>
> Flew triple 2 to Hoquium, WA today. Had a great trip.
Only
> 100 miles. There is a great restaurant there with a view of the ocean.
We
> went over low, 1500, up the Columbia River and back direct over the
> mountains. It was a great trip. Saw an old "T Bone" with a broken
rudder.
> It had been gust locked and during a 70mph storm it literally ripped it in
> half right at the gust lock!! Ugly.
> Anybody else fly this weekend?? jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: pugly piper pix |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Nico van Niekerk wrote:
> Not much, bilbo, Chris just posted some pics of an apache (looks like an
> aztech to me with the extra window; could be wrong though)
Good attention to detail Nico. Actually, this is an odd model. The
true Apaches had a round rudder and an elevator. Piper dropped that
line around 1959 and started building the Aztec which had a larger
fuselage, totally different tail with a stabilator, beefed up
wings/gear/etc and six cylinder engines. I'm guessing that this
airplane might have been a marketing decision to leverage the Apache
name loyalty. In 64 or 65 they build about 100 PA-23-235 Apaches. It's
an Aztec end-to-end, but with low-compression cylinders. It's not
listed in the Apache parts or service manuals, but is covered in the
Aztec books. They just called it an Apache for some reason.
Anyway, we're on the home stretch of putting this old gal back into
factory new condition. Like the Commanders, it suffered from Hartzel
syndrom, so she's now sporting a pair of brand new MV series props.
Sure looking forward to doing some flying!
>saw a '48 Buick in
> the background on the last pic and I mentioned that that Buick has a
> straight 8 engine that I remembered looking at as a kid.
That's another "todo" project. Would you believe I bought that car off
ebay?!?! It's a nice, undamaged, not rusty texas car. Actually runs
well enought to get it on/off a trailer :-) For now, it's a hangar
ornamant though.
(have I mentioned lately how great it is to have a father who's an
absolute aircraft artist as well as incredibly generous?! You should
see the sheet metal repairs on the Piper - you can't tell there was
every any damage!)
cheers,
Chris
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 4/20/2003 4:07:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
RnJThompson@aol.com writes:
> Are the fuel cells for a 500S the same as those in a 680E ?
HI RICHARD...YES, (and no) Of course you 680E will have the outboard tanks
that the 500S will not have. The center tank is the same p/n as are the LH -
RH aft, inboard tanks. The forward inboard tanks are a different p/n. I
suspect that the fuel injection system ties into those tanks and they have a
different nipple system?? good luck jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer@yahoo.com>
Hello Everyone: I am pretty new to TCFG and very new to TC's. I have emailed a
few of you and spoken to Jim. I am pretty ignorant about TC's but I would like
for as many of you who have knowledge to email me about the pros and cons of
the 680fl. Happy EasterChrist is Risen dan farmer
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 04/20/03 19:48:41 Pacific Daylight Time,
daniellfarmer@yahoo.com writes:
> I am pretty ignorant about TC's
I may be mistaken, but I think each of us was ignorant about Twin Commanders
before we started asking questions about them.
As to your question on the pros and cons of the 680FL:
PROs
Great cabin for the money
Very close to best useful load for the money (only the Cessna 404 will beat
it, I think)
It's a Commander, which means Commander systems and handling.
I'll back up that statement by keeping the comparison in the 8000 to 9000
pound, nonpressurized piston twin, category.
That puts you in the company of the Queen Air 80 and Cessna 404.
Compare landing gear systems, fuel systems and one engine inoperative
handling and you'll discover the basis of my opinion.
CONs
The Lycoming IGSO-540 uses a Simmonds Fuel Control unit. (So does the engine
on the Queen Air 80.) The Simmonds can be tricky to "dial in" for your
operating environment if you don't have someone handy that knows this unit.
There is only one place to get the Simmonds overhauled: Omaha, Nebraska.
Finding field expertise on the IGSO-540 and Simmonds is getting harder to do;
this engine was never used on any other aircraft besides the 680-F series
Commanders.
If you can overcome the rarity of the engine and fuel control unit where you
operate, go for it!
I operated an -FL in Pago Pago. We have members outside the U.S. who operate
this engine/fuel control unit combination and seem to manage just fine -- you
just have to deal with being very "unique" -- to say it in polite terms.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: pugly piper pix |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Having anybody knowing his way around sheet metal (esp aluminum) is a
blessing. It being your dad is an extra bonus.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: pugly piper pix
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Nico van Niekerk wrote:
> > Not much, bilbo, Chris just posted some pics of an apache (looks like an
> > aztech to me with the extra window; could be wrong though)
>
> Good attention to detail Nico. Actually, this is an odd model. The
> true Apaches had a round rudder and an elevator. Piper dropped that
> line around 1959 and started building the Aztec which had a larger
> fuselage, totally different tail with a stabilator, beefed up
> wings/gear/etc and six cylinder engines. I'm guessing that this
> airplane might have been a marketing decision to leverage the Apache
> name loyalty. In 64 or 65 they build about 100 PA-23-235 Apaches. It's
> an Aztec end-to-end, but with low-compression cylinders. It's not
> listed in the Apache parts or service manuals, but is covered in the
> Aztec books. They just called it an Apache for some reason.
> Anyway, we're on the home stretch of putting this old gal back into
> factory new condition. Like the Commanders, it suffered from Hartzel
> syndrom, so she's now sporting a pair of brand new MV series props.
> Sure looking forward to doing some flying!
>
>
> >saw a '48 Buick in
> > the background on the last pic and I mentioned that that Buick has a
> > straight 8 engine that I remembered looking at as a kid.
>
> That's another "todo" project. Would you believe I bought that car off
> ebay?!?! It's a nice, undamaged, not rusty texas car. Actually runs
> well enought to get it on/off a trailer :-) For now, it's a hangar
> ornamant though.
>
> (have I mentioned lately how great it is to have a father who's an
> absolute aircraft artist as well as incredibly generous?! You should
> see the sheet metal repairs on the Piper - you can't tell there was
> every any damage!)
>
>
> cheers,
> Chris
>
>
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