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1. 03:35 PM - butt (Bill Bow)
2. 04:40 PM - Re: butt (Chris Schuermann)
3. 05:10 PM - Re: butt (Jim Addington)
4. 06:27 PM - Re: butt (Tom Fisher)
5. 07:05 PM - Re: butt (Jim Addington)
6. 07:32 PM - Re: butt (Tom Fisher)
7. 07:57 PM - Re: butt (Jim Addington)
8. 10:55 PM - Re: butt (CloudCraft@aol.com)
9. 11:15 PM - Re: butt (Tom Fisher)
10. 11:25 PM - Re: butt (CloudCraft@aol.com)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I am removing the right engine on my 500A. Is it going to sit on it's butt
when I do??
bilbo
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bill Bow wrote:
> I am removing the right engine on my 500A. Is it going to sit on it's butt
> when I do??
On the bathtub birds, they get a bit light on the nose, but won't fall
back. I'd assume yours will be about the same. If it's going to be
sitting outside, you'd be safer to put a tailstand under it "just in case".
chris
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Put a tail stand under it. If it falls on its tail it will do damage to the
bottom of the tail. I learned this the hard way from a snow storm we had
here in Denton. No need to take a chance when you can build one out of two
pieces of conduit and a big washer. Flatten the top, drill a hole the size
of a small bolt that will go through the tail skid. You can collapse it and
take it with you. I use it to push the rudder lock on when it is too high
for me to reach.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bill Bow wrote:
> I am removing the right engine on my 500A. Is it going to sit on it's
butt
> when I do??
On the bathtub birds, they get a bit light on the nose, but won't fall
back. I'd assume yours will be about the same. If it's going to be
sitting outside, you'd be safer to put a tailstand under it "just in case".
chris
Message 4
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
When my 500B sat on it's tail due to a snow storm it always gently rotated
as the snow built up, likewise when it melted it would slowly sit down on
the nose gear.
Just to be clear, I'm not advocating intentionally letting the snow sit on
the horizontal surfaces due to negative forces being applied on the
supporting structures.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: butt
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> Put a tail stand under it. If it falls on its tail it will do damage to
the
> bottom of the tail. I learned this the hard way from a snow storm we had
> here in Denton. No need to take a chance when you can build one out of two
> pieces of conduit and a big washer. Flatten the top, drill a hole the size
> of a small bolt that will go through the tail skid. You can collapse it
and
> take it with you. I use it to push the rudder lock on when it is too high
> for me to reach.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
> Schuermann
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
> > I am removing the right engine on my 500A. Is it going to sit on it's
> butt
> > when I do??
>
> On the bathtub birds, they get a bit light on the nose, but won't fall
> back. I'd assume yours will be about the same. If it's going to be
> sitting outside, you'd be safer to put a tailstand under it "just in
case".
>
> chris
>
>
Message 5
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
When my 500A sat on its tail from snow it hit hard enough to drive the tail
skid it to the fuselage. We don't get much snow here but it was enough.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
When my 500B sat on it's tail due to a snow storm it always gently rotated
as the snow built up, likewise when it melted it would slowly sit down on
the nose gear.
Just to be clear, I'm not advocating intentionally letting the snow sit on
the horizontal surfaces due to negative forces being applied on the
supporting structures.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: butt
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> Put a tail stand under it. If it falls on its tail it will do damage to
the
> bottom of the tail. I learned this the hard way from a snow storm we had
> here in Denton. No need to take a chance when you can build one out of two
> pieces of conduit and a big washer. Flatten the top, drill a hole the size
> of a small bolt that will go through the tail skid. You can collapse it
and
> take it with you. I use it to push the rudder lock on when it is too high
> for me to reach.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
> Schuermann
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
> > I am removing the right engine on my 500A. Is it going to sit on it's
> butt
> > when I do??
>
> On the bathtub birds, they get a bit light on the nose, but won't fall
> back. I'd assume yours will be about the same. If it's going to be
> sitting outside, you'd be safer to put a tailstand under it "just in
case".
>
> chris
>
>
Message 6
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Anybody have any dynamic reasons why an A or B would rotate differently?
Maybe I had a C of G (when loaded with my equipment) more forward because at
no time did the tail want to drop.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: butt
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> When my 500A sat on its tail from snow it hit hard enough to drive the
tail
> skid it to the fuselage. We don't get much snow here but it was enough.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
> Fisher
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> When my 500B sat on it's tail due to a snow storm it always gently rotated
> as the snow built up, likewise when it melted it would slowly sit down on
> the nose gear.
> Just to be clear, I'm not advocating intentionally letting the snow sit on
> the horizontal surfaces due to negative forces being applied on the
> supporting structures.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: butt
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> <jtaddington@charter.net>
> >
> > Put a tail stand under it. If it falls on its tail it will do damage to
> the
> > bottom of the tail. I learned this the hard way from a snow storm we had
> > here in Denton. No need to take a chance when you can build one out of
two
> > pieces of conduit and a big washer. Flatten the top, drill a hole the
size
> > of a small bolt that will go through the tail skid. You can collapse it
> and
> > take it with you. I use it to push the rudder lock on when it is too
high
> > for me to reach.
> >
> > Jim
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
> > Schuermann
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
> >
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<cschuerm@cox.net>
> >
> >
> > Bill Bow wrote:
> > > I am removing the right engine on my 500A. Is it going to sit on it's
> > butt
> > > when I do??
> >
> > On the bathtub birds, they get a bit light on the nose, but won't fall
> > back. I'd assume yours will be about the same. If it's going to be
> > sitting outside, you'd be safer to put a tailstand under it "just in
> case".
> >
> > chris
> >
> >
>
>
Message 7
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
It may have been the loading on it. I think this was when I still had the
old radios in the back. It so nose heavy now I need to add some weight to
the tail.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Anybody have any dynamic reasons why an A or B would rotate differently?
Maybe I had a C of G (when loaded with my equipment) more forward because at
no time did the tail want to drop.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: butt
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> When my 500A sat on its tail from snow it hit hard enough to drive the
tail
> skid it to the fuselage. We don't get much snow here but it was enough.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
> Fisher
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> When my 500B sat on it's tail due to a snow storm it always gently rotated
> as the snow built up, likewise when it melted it would slowly sit down on
> the nose gear.
> Just to be clear, I'm not advocating intentionally letting the snow sit on
> the horizontal surfaces due to negative forces being applied on the
> supporting structures.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: butt
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> <jtaddington@charter.net>
> >
> > Put a tail stand under it. If it falls on its tail it will do damage to
> the
> > bottom of the tail. I learned this the hard way from a snow storm we had
> > here in Denton. No need to take a chance when you can build one out of
two
> > pieces of conduit and a big washer. Flatten the top, drill a hole the
size
> > of a small bolt that will go through the tail skid. You can collapse it
> and
> > take it with you. I use it to push the rudder lock on when it is too
high
> > for me to reach.
> >
> > Jim
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
> > Schuermann
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
> >
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<cschuerm@cox.net>
> >
> >
> > Bill Bow wrote:
> > > I am removing the right engine on my 500A. Is it going to sit on it's
> > butt
> > > when I do??
> >
> > On the bathtub birds, they get a bit light on the nose, but won't fall
> > back. I'd assume yours will be about the same. If it's going to be
> > sitting outside, you'd be safer to put a tailstand under it "just in
> case".
> >
> > chris
> >
> >
>
>
Message 8
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/05/03 19:33:17 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Anybody have any dynamic reasons why an A or B would rotate differently?
> Maybe I had a C of G (when loaded with my equipment) more forward because
> at
> no time did the tail want to drop.
I'd look at the empty weight C of G. Panel mount avionics? Front door?
Low fuel load?
And of course, snow in Canada is lighter than in the U.S. because you have
metric snow.
Wing Commander Gordon
Message 9
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
My C of G was quite forward, all the equipment save the O2 was removed from
the radio racks.
And snow is heavier in Vancouver because it is laded with salt from the
ocean.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: butt
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 05/05/03 19:33:17 Pacific Daylight Time,
> tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
>
> > Anybody have any dynamic reasons why an A or B would rotate differently?
> > Maybe I had a C of G (when loaded with my equipment) more forward
because
> > at
> > no time did the tail want to drop.
>
> I'd look at the empty weight C of G. Panel mount avionics? Front door?
> Low fuel load?
>
> And of course, snow in Canada is lighter than in the U.S. because you have
> metric snow.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
Message 10
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/05/03 23:16:14 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> My C of G was quite forward, all the equipment save the O2 was removed from
> the radio racks.
> And snow is heavier in Vancouver because it is laded with salt from the
> ocean.
Ahhhh. There's the answers. The C of G forward, and salt in your snow
keeps it from freezing, so the snow in Vancouver is rain and thus doesn't
collect on the horizontal stabilizer.
Wing Commander Gordon
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