---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/10/03: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:27 AM - ebay - Zippo lighter (Barry Collman) 2. 09:34 AM - Approach Speeds (Dan Dominguez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:36 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: ebay - Zippo lighter --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi again gang, As well as my ebay bid for the photo, I thought I'd try for the 1950's Zippo lighter, with the Aero Commander logo on it. I've been outbid!! Is there someone on the list bidding against me? If not, I'll re-bid a tad higher. Barry C. UK CommanderLand rep ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:08 AM PST US From: "Dan Dominguez" Subject: Commander-List: Approach Speeds --> Commander-List message posted by: "Dan Dominguez" Bruce- When Chris and I flew our 560E around the world, we were sequenced into some quite interesting approaches, some simmilar to BFI. Sequencing at 160kts or 180kts before the FAF isn't uncommon and the Commander will handle it fine, both airframe and engines. The delicate part comes in slowing to 120kts without shock cooling the 480's or making metal in the gearboxes. What typically worked well for us at busy airports was to accept 'max forward speed' vectors to final and begin pulling the power back slowly in the descent to maintain 160kts (smooth air of course). As you approach 5mi from the FAF begin to slow even more by dropping the gear. We used 22" 26R for cruise and as you descend, be at 14-18" 5 mi from the FAF. No clanking will occur till around 12-13" 26R. As you get your final turn you'll be slowing through 140kts. When you intercept the LOC you'll be at 120, works like a charm. As the aircraft slows through flap speeds, deploy slowly and by the FAF you can comfortably be at 120kts with your wheels down and 1/2 flap. This works great for precision approaches in the 560E. Crossing the FAF you'll just need one power reduction to descend on the GS. In regards to the small runways, you won't be doing these type of high speed approaches into small runways sequenced between jet traffic. You can do every approach at 90kts, 100kts, 110kts or 120kts but remember only the times for 90/120 are published. At 120kts you'll have 30% less time to find the lights at 200 1/2. Crunk's right though, wheels down, flaps down and tow hitch on your 560HP commander can still climb, assuming you're not landing with 2,000 pounds of people on board. Energy management, isn't that what the guy with the straw hat called it? Hope this helps in any way. Dan