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1. 08:18 AM - Simmonds Fuel Calibration Units (Kerry Johnson)
2. 08:45 AM - Re: Simmonds Fuel Calibration Units (Kerry Johnson)
3. 01:40 PM - TED SCHAAL (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
4. 03:53 PM - Re: TED SCHAAL (Nico van Niekerk)
5. 04:00 PM - Re: TED SCHAAL (rlegg@austarnet.com.au)
6. 05:14 PM - Re: TED SCHAAL (CloudCraft@aol.com)
7. 05:26 PM - Ted Schaal story - FG News 1999 (CloudCraft@aol.com)
8. 05:33 PM - Re: TED SCHAAL (Nico van Niekerk)
9. 05:45 PM - Re: TED SCHAAL (CloudCraft@aol.com)
10. 05:51 PM - Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (Chris Schuermann)
11. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (CloudCraft@aol.com)
12. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (Chris Schuermann)
13. 06:24 PM - Re: TED SCHAAL (Stephen Crow)
14. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (Tylor)
15. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (Nico van Niekerk)
16. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (CloudCraft@aol.com)
17. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (CloudCraft@aol.com)
18. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (Chris Schuermann)
19. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind (Tylor)
20. 09:05 PM - Re: TED SCHAAL (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
21. 09:18 PM - Re: ebay - Zippo lighter (Dan Farmer)
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| Subject: | Simmonds Fuel Calibration Units |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
There are two Simmonds for sale of e bay, one is a field unit. The buy it
now price seems pretty cheap @ $376.00 & $676.00. Current bids are at
$200.00 & $225.00. Click on Parts are Acc. and Aviation, search for
Simmonds.
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| Subject: | Simmonds Fuel Calibration Units |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
I forgot to mention that if no one here is bidding, I will probably bid on
both of them, so speak up if you're bidding.
Kerry
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Subject: Commander-List: Simmonds Fuel Calibration Units
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
There are two Simmonds for sale of e bay, one is a field unit. The buy it
now price seems pretty cheap @ $376.00 & $676.00. Current bids are at
$200.00 & $225.00. Click on Parts are Acc. and Aviation, search for
Simmonds.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS.
I just got a nice note from Ted Schaal with his renewal
check. He is one of our most loyal TCFG members. I wanted to share a little
of what he is up to, it is truly inspirational. For those who don't know
Ted, he was featured some time back in the Flight Levels magazine, he fly's a
500S "Solo Lobo" with the really cool "lone Wolf" painted on it's tail.
Ted writes that he has sold his original "Solo Lobo" (The photo of the
camera installation in the last F.G.N. was his old airplane, at Aero Air in
Hillsboro OR) and bought the 3rd from the last 500S built, #3321. He really
loves his new airplane (It was purchased new by Alcoa Aluminum) He flew it
from his home in California to his winter digs in Tobago, Caribbean, as he
has done for years. He said he seldom got above 2000agl.
He said he has a new "Gal Pal" and had to ad a second wolf to the
tail!! He said they look great together.
Now all of this doesn't sound to amazing until you realize that Ted
turned 80 on March 7th! He reports that he had logged 20,236hr TT on his
birthday and plans to log at least 3000 more, in his new Shrike, by the time
he turns 90. GO GETUM TED!!!!! jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
What an amazing story!
I, for one, feel a lot better now knowing that I might make another couple
of years. Are there back copies of the article on Ted available somewhere?
About the Shrikes: Did they all come with the RayJay turbos or were some
normally aspirated? I saw one for sale somewhere that had normally aspirated
Mr. RPM engines. Is that a good match and how does that affect its
performance/payload? Anyone out there wishes to venture a comment?
Thanks
Nico
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From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: TED SCHAAL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I just got a nice note from Ted Schaal with his renewal
> check. He is one of our most loyal TCFG members. I wanted to share a
little
> of what he is up to, it is truly inspirational. For those who don't know
> Ted, he was featured some time back in the Flight Levels magazine, he
fly's a
> 500S "Solo Lobo" with the really cool "lone Wolf" painted on it's tail.
> Ted writes that he has sold his original "Solo Lobo" (The photo of
the
> camera installation in the last F.G.N. was his old airplane, at Aero Air
in
> Hillsboro OR) and bought the 3rd from the last 500S built, #3321. He
really
> loves his new airplane (It was purchased new by Alcoa Aluminum) He flew it
> from his home in California to his winter digs in Tobago, Caribbean, as he
> has done for years. He said he seldom got above 2000agl.
> He said he has a new "Gal Pal" and had to ad a second wolf to the
> tail!! He said they look great together.
> Now all of this doesn't sound to amazing until you realize that Ted
> turned 80 on March 7th! He reports that he had logged 20,236hr TT on his
> birthday and plans to log at least 3000 more, in his new Shrike, by the
time
> he turns 90. GO GETUM TED!!!!! jb
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: rlegg@austarnet.com.au
G'day Jimbob,
Thanks for sharing that truly amazing story re Ted. He is a really nice
guy!
Got the latest FGN last week here in Oz...fantastic effort as always.
Many thanks for the great efforts Jimbob and for keeping us up to date
on the goings on in Commanderland.
Long live the two wolves!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/12/03 15:54:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
> About the Shrikes: Did they all come with the RayJay turbos or were some
> normally aspirated? I saw one for sale somewhere that had normally
> aspirated
> Mr. RPM engines. Is that a good match and how does that affect its
> performance/payload? Anyone out there wishes to venture a comment?
Nico,
No -- Shrikes are normally aspirated. Turbo charging was (usually/always??)
after market.
The normally aspirated IO-720 powered Shrike you're referring to is quite an
airplane and I believe a one-off. It was at Commander-Aero's facility
several years ago and I hope Gary Kromer can shed some light on it.
Until recently, N611FA was owned by John McNulty in El Monte, California. He
parted company with it and is in N89PK, an AC-680FP now.
(John, if you're monitoring this email net, you may want to fill in some
details on the increased weights and performance.)
Dick MacCoon's MR RPM conversion with turbo charged IO-720s is available for
the Shrike and a few were done, bearing the name "Pursuit Commander."
The idea of 800 hp (sea level) on a Shrike always appealed to me, especially
without "hair dryers," as Dennis Polito calls turbos. Simplicity and power.
A rare combo.
As far as Ted Schaal goes, I had the pleasure and honor of interviewing him
for an early issue of the Flight Group News and if I can find the text file I
will send it to you.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Ted Schaal story - FG News 1999 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Nico,
This is for you -- but Ted Schaal is such a fine specimen of an aviator, I
thought others would want to read this, too. I wrote if for the November
1999 issue of the Flight Group News.
If only I had the photos of his Shrike to go with it ...
Wing Commander Gordon
Every Aero Commander you come across has led a storied life. Each of its
owners has led a storied life as well. One of the latest members to join the
ranks of the TCFG has had a fascinating career in the air and on the ground
and we'd like to introduce you to him. Meet Ted Schaal, owner of N9U, a 1968
500S Shrike, serial number 1784, based at Watsonville, on California's
Monterey Bay.
Ted's aviation career began in 1943 when he joined the Army Air Corps. A year
later, he was General Hornsby's pilot, transporting the Brass in a C-45,
C-47, B-24 and B-25.
At the close of the war, Schaal joined PanAm in its glory days and flew C-46s
and DC-3s (C-47s) on routes to Central and South America. An opportunity
appeared in the form of a start-up air carrier named Overseas National
Airways and Ted gambled on its success to put him on the fast track back to
the left seat. The career gamble paid off.
Worldwide experience was gained in DC-3, -4, -6, and -7 types and then in
1963, after 13 years of international flying, it was time to return to Terra
Firma to spend time with his young and growing family.
Ranching and real estate on California's central coast became Schaal's next
occupation and a partnership in a Beech Bonanza satisfied his flying needs
for a while. In 1996, sadly, Ted's wife passed away and, after a year of
mourning, he realized that he had lots of life to live yet and it was time to
get himself a twin to get back to the joy of transoceanic flight and island
hopping.
The urge for a twin sent him researching the market. Not finding anything to
his liking with the run-of-the-mill light twins, he set his sights on an Aero
Commander. It was Bob Hoover's act in the Shrike that Ted remembered from air
shows in years past and a bit of Internet research turned up what was to
become his own Commander.
"A few times around the pattern and I was sold!" Schaal states. "It flew and
handled as close to a DC-3 as anything."
While N9U has some of the more popular aerodynamic upgrades (flap gap seals
and Q-tip propellers), what sets this airplane apart is the unique nose and
tail art. "Solo Lobo" was a nickname Ted adopted when he was building a
Formula One racer. That project never flew, but the spirit remained alive.
The tail art attests to Ted's admiration of the wolf as a master of its
domain while the nose art attests to his boundless enthusiasm for =E2=80=A6=20well,
tail art of another kind. (Those of you who attended the recent fly-in know
exactly what we're talking about!)
This retired Big Iron captain migrates to the Caribbean each rainy season
(thus making him a rainbird rather than a snowbird) and hops cross-country
and island-to-island by tucking in behind cold fronts en route to his choice
of island paradises, Tobago. This strategy lets him fly in CAVU with his
companion who he reports has become, "A pretty darn good co-pilot."
Although his life stands alone as inspiration, it's Schaal's philosophy that
carries an especially encouraging message.
"My wife of 47 years died in 1996, and in 1998, I made a decision that
changed the shape of my life into one of complete happiness: It began in
mid-March with the purchase of my Shrike." Ted goes on to say, "At 77, I'm
not the oldest Shrike pilot around (reference Bob Hoover), but I have the age
problem fixed. After my 77th birthday, I am subtracting a year for each
birthday thereafter and am shooting to be 52 when I turn in my ATP
Certificate #260492.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Thanks, Chief.
Those RayJays' were always a beast to control, especially at take off
because they would overboost as the mph picks up, so one would have it an
inch or two below 29" starting the takeoff roll. They were aftermarket fits
to the Twin Comanche and the Aztecs also. The introduction of turbo
normalizers surely made life easier and the cost of ownership much less.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TED SCHAAL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 05/12/03 15:54:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
> nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
>
> > About the Shrikes: Did they all come with the RayJay turbos or were some
> > normally aspirated? I saw one for sale somewhere that had normally
> > aspirated
> > Mr. RPM engines. Is that a good match and how does that affect its
> > performance/payload? Anyone out there wishes to venture a comment?
>
> Nico,
>
> No -- Shrikes are normally aspirated. Turbo charging was
(usually/always??)
> after market.
>
> The normally aspirated IO-720 powered Shrike you're referring to is quite
an
> airplane and I believe a one-off. It was at Commander-Aero's facility
> several years ago and I hope Gary Kromer can shed some light on it.
>
> Until recently, N611FA was owned by John McNulty in El Monte, California.
He
> parted company with it and is in N89PK, an AC-680FP now.
>
> (John, if you're monitoring this email net, you may want to fill in some
> details on the increased weights and performance.)
>
> Dick MacCoon's MR RPM conversion with turbo charged IO-720s is available
for
> the Shrike and a few were done, bearing the name "Pursuit Commander."
>
> The idea of 800 hp (sea level) on a Shrike always appealed to me,
especially
> without "hair dryers," as Dennis Polito calls turbos. Simplicity and
power.
> A rare combo.
>
> As far as Ted Schaal goes, I had the pleasure and honor of interviewing
him
> for an early issue of the Flight Group News and if I can find the text
file I
> will send it to you.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/12/03 17:33:37 Pacific Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
> Those RayJays' were always a beast to control, especially at take off
> because they would overboost as the mph picks up,
So true! My first taste of that was on a TS-601A AeroStar at Lake Tahoe.
Went zig-zagging down the runway as one (electric waste gate) closed too much
and then the other, while backing the first one off.
Now that I look back on it, I was an idiot -- but at the time, thought I had
the situation well in hand.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
I know I've been pretty quiet lately, but I thought I'd supply a bit of
info on this turbo topic that might be helpful to someone...
There are two basic types of Rayjay installations: manual wastegate
control and auto wastegate control. In the manual installations, you
just have two additional knobs (or levers depending on the
configuration) to fiddle with. Both installations are
"turbo-normalized" - ie: they are not intended to boost the MAP above
the normal 29-ish inches. A properly set up automatic wastegate
installation should be virtually transparent in operation to the pilot
except that the MAP should stay exactly where you set it with the
throttles. For example, after takeoff, you can pull back to 24-squared,
then continue to climb without ever having to touch the throttle again.
With the manual wastegate control, when you "run out of throttle" and
the MAP begins to drop while climbing, you simply move the "boost lever"
to spool up the turbos and regain lost MAP. There are two TERRIBLY
important items to remember with the manual setup: 1) make DARN sure the
boost control is OFF before takeoff, and 2) make DARN sure to reduce the
boost while decending. There has been at least one fatal Commander
accident caused by the pilot taking off with the turbos at "full blast".
Both engines totally disentigrated not far off the end of the runway.
I've spent a lot of time behind an auto-wastegate Rayjay equiped
Lycoming and absolutely LOVE the setup. The manual setup requires a bit
more attention by the pilot, but has the advantage of being virtually
bullet-proof in it's simplicity. I truely miss the hair-dryers on my
current steed and might even consider adding them when the engines come
due for overhaul.
Chris Schuermann
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/12/03 17:52:43 Pacific Daylight Time, cschuerm@cox.net
writes:
> There are two TERRIBLY
> important items to remember with the manual setup: 1) make DARN sure the
> boost control is OFF before takeoff, and 2) make DARN sure to reduce the
> boost while decending.
Nice to hear from you, Chris!
I'm going to fiddle around with statement #2 as it pertains to operators of
the MR. RPM - FLP and FP models.
Pressurization is a by-product of turbo out-put in this conversion (as
opposed to the constant cabin supercharger of the original -FLP and -FP
configuration) and if the pilot opens the waste gates high up, the cabin will
dump.
Flying a MR RPM with manual waste gates is an art. On the way up, MAP is
increased via waste gate closure (manually done) and one the way down,
throttle is retarded to maintain cruise MAP, with waste gates being opened as
part of the final descent to landing cockpit flow.
Of course, this can get complicated on an IFR missed approach at a high
altitude airport; some boost is wanted so some degree of waste gate closure
is desired. One just has to monitor MAP on the missed.
But I guess that's what pilots are for: to figure this stuff out and adjust
accordingly.
Yes, auto waste gates are a pleasure ... but nearly every Commander I've
flown that has turbos has been manual. This is why Dick MacCoon has come up
with at rework of the RayJay turbo normalizing system.
Take a look at Tylor Hall's web site for more info.
<A HREF="http://www.winddancer.aero/">Identifier
or www.winddancer.aero
Wing Commander Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> I'm going to fiddle around with statement #2 as it pertains to operators of
> the MR. RPM - FLP and FP models.
Good points Keith. I had neglected the pressurization issue. (was
always a problem in my Turbo Viking. Kept ripping the fabric so just
had to get _tiny_ oxygen masks for the termites).
I do know that at least one Commander had the automatic controllers.
Used the exact same hardware that Bellanca (and probably many others) used.
cheers,
chris
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
The first "Riley Rocket" was, I beleve, a turbo-added 310 Cessna. It would true
out at just under 200 (mph) on one engine. I flew one over the magnet North
Pole and up the Amazon a number of years ago. The over boost you speak of was
easily adjusted with the vernier waste-gate controllers. Great plane. Steve
C.
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Thanks, Chief.
Those RayJays' were always a beast to control, especially at take off
because they would overboost as the mph picks up, so one would have it an
inch or two below 29" starting the takeoff roll. They were aftermarket fits
to the Twin Comanche and the Aztecs also. The introduction of turbo
normalizers surely made life easier and the cost of ownership much less.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TED SCHAAL
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 05/12/03 15:54:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
> nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
>
> > About the Shrikes: Did they all come with the RayJay turbos or were some
> > normally aspirated? I saw one for sale somewhere that had normally
> > aspirated
> > Mr. RPM engines. Is that a good match and how does that affect its
> > performance/payload? Anyone out there wishes to venture a comment?
>
> Nico,
>
> No -- Shrikes are normally aspirated. Turbo charging was
(usually/always??)
> after market.
>
> The normally aspirated IO-720 powered Shrike you're referring to is quite
an
> airplane and I believe a one-off. It was at Commander-Aero's facility
> several years ago and I hope Gary Kromer can shed some light on it.
>
> Until recently, N611FA was owned by John McNulty in El Monte, California.
He
> parted company with it and is in N89PK, an AC-680FP now.
>
> (John, if you're monitoring this email net, you may want to fill in some
> details on the increased weights and performance.)
>
> Dick MacCoon's MR RPM conversion with turbo charged IO-720s is available
for
> the Shrike and a few were done, bearing the name "Pursuit Commander."
>
> The idea of 800 hp (sea level) on a Shrike always appealed to me,
especially
> without "hair dryers," as Dennis Polito calls turbos. Simplicity and
power.
> A rare combo.
>
> As far as Ted Schaal goes, I had the pleasure and honor of interviewing
him
> for an early issue of the Flight Group News and if I can find the text
file I
> will send it to you.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor" <tylor@winddancer.aero>
We will have the Rajay turbo STC's here in the next few weeks.
It includes the Pipers, Cessna, Bonanzas and the Twin Commanders. Yes
Chris, I can put one on a PA-23-160.
We will be offering them in both Manual as well as automatic as we rework
each. Starting with the Twin Commanders that Dick MacCoon has already
reworked.
On the Twins, we will change from push/pull cables to electric manual system
using a rocker switch.
I am looking for the right switch and where to put it.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
www.winddancer.aero
970-731-2127
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
CloudCraft@aol.com wrote:
> I'm going to fiddle around with statement #2 as it pertains to operators
of
> the MR. RPM - FLP and FP models.
Good points Keith. I had neglected the pressurization issue. (was
always a problem in my Turbo Viking. Kept ripping the fabric so just
had to get _tiny_ oxygen masks for the termites).
I do know that at least one Commander had the automatic controllers.
Used the exact same hardware that Bellanca (and probably many others) used.
cheers,
chris
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I have only flown the 'knob variety' manual systems (not counting those
found on the Continentals, in the Senecas, Centurions, etc. which was a
sweet variation on the manual RayJays) which meant playing with the verniers
ad nauseum until all were in check. Ordinarily I would fly with the controls
pulled all the way out (to save the engines a bit and uncomplicate the
takeoff) and only trickle in the turbos in the climb. At high DA take offs,
I would wind the suckers up to about 27" before brake release and imagine
they were automatic.
When taking off without turbos I always mentally prepared to deal with an
engine out as a normally aspirated failure because I never tried to see what
would happen if I needed the extra power and suddenly floor the verniers.
Perhaps it would eject the cylinder heads. Perhaps it would give me a view
of the runway through the top window. Whoknows.
I have never flown the 800HP jobs - that ought to be some experience - and
turbo normalizing them big things surely sounds like a nice invention!
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
> I know I've been pretty quiet lately, but I thought I'd supply a bit of
> info on this turbo topic that might be helpful to someone...
>
> There are two basic types of Rayjay installations: manual wastegate
> control and auto wastegate control. In the manual installations, you
> just have two additional knobs (or levers depending on the
> configuration) to fiddle with. Both installations are
> "turbo-normalized" - ie: they are not intended to boost the MAP above
> the normal 29-ish inches. A properly set up automatic wastegate
> installation should be virtually transparent in operation to the pilot
> except that the MAP should stay exactly where you set it with the
> throttles. For example, after takeoff, you can pull back to 24-squared,
> then continue to climb without ever having to touch the throttle again.
> With the manual wastegate control, when you "run out of throttle" and
> the MAP begins to drop while climbing, you simply move the "boost lever"
> to spool up the turbos and regain lost MAP. There are two TERRIBLY
> important items to remember with the manual setup: 1) make DARN sure the
> boost control is OFF before takeoff, and 2) make DARN sure to reduce the
> boost while decending. There has been at least one fatal Commander
> accident caused by the pilot taking off with the turbos at "full blast".
> Both engines totally disentigrated not far off the end of the runway.
>
> I've spent a lot of time behind an auto-wastegate Rayjay equiped
> Lycoming and absolutely LOVE the setup. The manual setup requires a bit
> more attention by the pilot, but has the advantage of being virtually
> bullet-proof in it's simplicity. I truely miss the hair-dryers on my
> current steed and might even consider adding them when the engines come
> due for overhaul.
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
> Good points Keith. I had neglected the pressurization issue. (was
> always a problem in my Turbo Viking. Kept ripping the fabric so just
> had to get _tiny_ oxygen masks for the termites).
You know, Chris, had you switched to rubber instead of Ceconite, you could
have gone from Bellanca Viking to Bellanca Blimp while in flight.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/12/03 18:43:25 Pacific Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
> I have only flown the 'knob variety' manual systems (not counting those
> found on the Continentals,
Commanders I've known and loved have had electric (rocker switches) waste
gates, or, a set of levers below the prop levers to operate the waste gates.
Verniers on a twin are hard to do in concert.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Tylor wrote:
> Chris, I can put one on a PA-23-160.
Actually, mine's a 23-235, but yes, I'm interested
> On the Twins, we will change from push/pull cables to electric manual system
> using a rocker switch.
Sure wish I could develope a fully automatic digitally controled system
for y'all. There's SO much plumbing with the hydraulic controllers and
if the diaphrams fail, they dump oil. They also get a bit "out of
whack" with age. The electric drives you're using are an interesting
solution to that problem, but adding automatic control would be very
neat. The slick way to solve that would be to put an absolute pressure
transducer on the manifold pressure tap, then run a microprocessor
closed-loop control to the wastegates. It would be incredibly reliable
once tuned and you could even add a "HOLD MAP" button for the
pressurised guys so that they could dink with the throttles but still
keep the turbo's spooled up.
(not that I've given this any thought :-)
Chris
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| Subject: | RE: Hair Dryers of the RayJay kind |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor" <tylor@winddancer.aero>
We can do the Pa-23-235 and 250. Different STC number.
Sounds great about the microprocessor. Dick said the same thing.
Where do I get it that is FAA/PMA approved?
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
www.winddancer.aero
970-731-2127
The slick way to solve that would be to put an absolute pressure
transducer on the manifold pressure tap, then run a microprocessor
closed-loop control to the wastegates. It would be incredibly reliable
once tuned and you could even add a "HOLD MAP" button for the
pressurised guys so that they could dink with the throttles but still
keep the turbo's spooled up.
(not that I've given this any thought :-)
Chris
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
THANKS!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: ebay - Zippo lighter |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer@yahoo.com>
No I am not bidding but I will be arriving LHR on AA57 the 14th. We stay at the
Le Meridian right near LHR. If you will email me you phone number I will try
to get in touch with you. dan farmercommander wanna be
Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:--> Commander-List message
posted by: "Barry Collman"
Hi again gang,
As well as my ebay bid for the photo, I thought I'd try for the 1950's Zippo
lighter, with the Aero Commander logo on it.
I've been outbid!!
Is there someone on the list bidding against me?
If not, I'll re-bid a tad higher.
Barry C.
UK CommanderLand rep
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