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1. 04:04 AM - Re: a couple changes... (Bill Hamilton)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: a couple changes... (Andrew & Bridget Watson)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: a couple changes... (Nico van Niekerk)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: a couple changes... (CloudCraft@aol.com)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: a couple changes... (CloudCraft@aol.com)
6. 09:11 PM - Re: a couple changes... (Bill Hamilton)
7. 09:21 PM - Re: a couple changes... (Nico van Niekerk)
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| Subject: | Re: a couple changes... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
All,
"over" is a bit of a hangover, ICAO Annex X, Vol 11 now says use or not use
all the link words -- at--over ( as in place, and end of this part of the
transmission and expecting a reply) --estimating-- time etc, depending on
the quality of the transmissions, the standard of language, etc. and no
longer differentiates between HF and VHF.
The US AIP (and maybe the AIM) still include both "over" and "over and out".
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 10:03 PM 14/05/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
><tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
>My $.02 worth.
>In the words "a Shrike Commander" I would not say "a", I would just say
>"Shrike Commander".
>What about the "nine" word, as I do not know when or who is flying, what
>about "niner"?
>Are you using HF? If so ok on the "over" part.
>
>Tom F.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Crow" <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: a couple changes...
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
> >
> > "Pietersburg, Zulu Sierra Lima Mike Hotel, a Shrike Commander, off Sand
>River Ranch, Zimbabwe, at." Lee glanced at his watch, "at one nine three
>five Zulu, speed one six five knots, altitude nine point five, Johannesburg
>boundary at two zero four five, estimating Smuts at two one three zero. fuel
>on board four hours , and we are two souls on board. over."
> >
> > Steve C.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: a couple changes... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
Thanks, Nico, I'll try and get hold of Keith. I think you are right about
Pietersburg having its own TMA - last time I flew Beit Bridge Wonderboom was
in 1983, and now that you mention it I think I remember having to QSY to
Pietersburg - but I think they have a very small TMA.
One other thing about the flight plan - from what I remember in South
Africa, it is Flight Level 95, (9,500 feet with 1014 mb on the altimeter),
as opposed to Altitude 9.5, or am I totally confused?
Regards,
Andrew.
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| Subject: | Re: a couple changes... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I know that SA is one of the countries that have FL's at 3,000' above GL and
higher and not only above 18,000' as we have here in the US. I think it's
18k.
So, you will find someone cruising at FL45 at the coast and FL95 on the
Reef, with the same altimeter setting as someone cruising at FL310, for
instance.
FL's always have the standard altimeter setting of 1013.25 mb. (29.9213")
Below these levels you would set the altimeter according to the pressure
indicated by ATC and you would call your altitude in feet instead of a FL.
Hope this is helpful.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: a couple changes...
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson
<andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
>
> Thanks, Nico, I'll try and get hold of Keith. I think you are right about
> Pietersburg having its own TMA - last time I flew Beit Bridge Wonderboom
was
> in 1983, and now that you mention it I think I remember having to QSY to
> Pietersburg - but I think they have a very small TMA.
>
> One other thing about the flight plan - from what I remember in South
> Africa, it is Flight Level 95, (9,500 feet with 1014 mb on the altimeter),
> as opposed to Altitude 9.5, or am I totally confused?
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: a couple changes... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/14/03 20:56:22 Pacific Daylight Time, k4cpx@arrl.net
writes:
> Thanks, Steve - is this the US format for Flight Plans, or the South
> African
> format?
This is a standar position report format, world wide, with the exception that
this appears to be a "pop up" TMA (or other boundary) position report that
includes number of souls aboard.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: a couple changes... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 05/15/03 04:05:15 Pacific Daylight Time,
fighterf@ozemail.com.au writes:
> "over" is a bit of a hangover
I have to smile at this. I find "over" is making a come back, at least here
in the U.S., where many calls to ATC go unanswered because the controller is
"on the land line." (To whom? Wife? Bookie? Divorce attorney?)
I noticed a celebrity guest copilot end his transmission with "over" after 3
calls to check in at Flight Level and received an immediate response when
other crews did not.
So I've began an experiment ... and it works! If ATC doesn't respond to an
initial call and I hear other crews check in with no response, I'll call
again and end with "over," and get them to respond straight away.
Something about that antiquated word strikes a primal chord in all of us who
have memories (or at least have seen movies) with someone desperately calling
Saipan on HF amid static and squeals ...
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: a couple changes... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
All,
I guess this comes into the frame as part of the "decision making process"
of the pilot in command, the word are there to be used if necessary.
" If it works for you------ etc".
Listening to the RFSS operations around Australia, it sound like all the
training videos are black and white aviation movies of the '40's, to the
degree that they even say "over" on the phone.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 11:53 AM 15/05/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 05/15/03 04:05:15 Pacific Daylight Time,
>fighterf@ozemail.com.au writes:
>
>
> > "over" is a bit of a hangover
>
>I have to smile at this. I find "over" is making a come back, at least here
>in the U.S., where many calls to ATC go unanswered because the controller is
>"on the land line." (To whom? Wife? Bookie? Divorce attorney?)
>
>I noticed a celebrity guest copilot end his transmission with "over" after 3
>calls to check in at Flight Level and received an immediate response when
>other crews did not.
>
>So I've began an experiment ... and it works! If ATC doesn't respond to an
>initial call and I hear other crews check in with no response, I'll call
>again and end with "over," and get them to respond straight away.
>
>Something about that antiquated word strikes a primal chord in all of us who
>have memories (or at least have seen movies) with someone desperately calling
>Saipan on HF amid static and squeals ...
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: a couple changes... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Especially if you hear 'roger' and 'over and out'.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: a couple changes...
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton
<fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
>
> All,
> I guess this comes into the frame as part of the "decision making
process"
> of the pilot in command, the word are there to be used if necessary.
> " If it works for you------ etc".
> Listening to the RFSS operations around Australia, it sound like all the
> training videos are black and white aviation movies of the '40's, to the
> degree that they even say "over" on the phone.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> At 11:53 AM 15/05/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 05/15/03 04:05:15 Pacific Daylight Time,
> >fighterf@ozemail.com.au writes:
> >
> >
> > > "over" is a bit of a hangover
> >
> >I have to smile at this. I find "over" is making a come back, at least
here
> >in the U.S., where many calls to ATC go unanswered because the controller
is
> >"on the land line." (To whom? Wife? Bookie? Divorce attorney?)
> >
> >I noticed a celebrity guest copilot end his transmission with "over"
after 3
> >calls to check in at Flight Level and received an immediate response when
> >other crews did not.
> >
> >So I've began an experiment ... and it works! If ATC doesn't respond to
an
> >initial call and I hear other crews check in with no response, I'll call
> >again and end with "over," and get them to respond straight away.
> >
> >Something about that antiquated word strikes a primal chord in all of us
who
> >have memories (or at least have seen movies) with someone desperately
calling
> >Saipan on HF amid static and squeals ...
> >
> >Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> >
>
>
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