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1. 07:31 AM - Consolation prize (Barry Hancock)
2. 07:51 AM - pan (Bill Bow)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Nico van Niekerk)
4. 08:12 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Stephen Crow)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Chris Schuermann)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Chris Schuermann)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: Consolation prize (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: pan (Chris Schuermann)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Chris Schuermann)
10. 08:54 AM - JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: pan (Bill Bow)
12. 09:38 AM - Re: pan (Stephen Crow)
13. 11:40 AM - Re: pan (Bill Bow)
14. 08:07 PM - Re: JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Consolation prize |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
> I will tell you what is "not uncommon", my Hobbs meter that is wired
> through
> a circuit breaker. It is also less than 4 inches from the meter.
> Handy......for those pesky Hobbs meter fires that are so frequent.
Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been
discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses and engine mounts
on my rig due to innergrannular corrosion.
It will be one sweet 680E when done...and also the most upside down.
Unfortunately, I have little recourse. The IA that has signed off the
plane for the last couple of years should be quaking in his boots
though - that stuff doesn't just show up over night. Live and learn. I
wasn't educated enough to know where to look. Somehow it strikes me as
just slightly more dishonest than a Hobbs wired to a CB...
So now not only do I have my Masters degree in airplane partnerships, I
also have it in aircraft research and inspections.
<sigh> anyone want a project 680E....
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)?
Spare me the "Call Morris" response.
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: Consolation prize |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I looked at a 2003 Seneca V the other day with only a few hours on the
Hobbs, not to buy, just kicking tires, and I couldn't help thinking that
everything is new in this bird. No corrosion, no cracked hoses, no hidden
"stretch marks" due to some idiot trying to barrel roll her in a fit of
grand standing. It crossed my mind wondering whether the $700K for a lesser
rig is perhaps a better investment than 1/3 of that in something that would
one day tap you on the shoulder in flight and tell you 'I got to go'.
<thinking>
Naaah.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Consolation prize
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > I will tell you what is "not uncommon", my Hobbs meter that is wired
> > through
> > a circuit breaker. It is also less than 4 inches from the meter.
> > Handy......for those pesky Hobbs meter fires that are so frequent.
>
> Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been
> discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses and engine mounts
> on my rig due to innergrannular corrosion.
> It will be one sweet 680E when done...and also the most upside down.
> Unfortunately, I have little recourse. The IA that has signed off the
> plane for the last couple of years should be quaking in his boots
> though - that stuff doesn't just show up over night. Live and learn. I
> wasn't educated enough to know where to look. Somehow it strikes me as
> just slightly more dishonest than a Hobbs wired to a CB...
>
> So now not only do I have my Masters degree in airplane partnerships, I
> also have it in aircraft research and inspections.
>
> <sigh> anyone want a project 680E....
>
> Barry
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Consolation prize |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Compare a tinker toy Seneca to a Commander??? Ah, pshaaa.....
Steve C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico van Niekerk
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I looked at a 2003 Seneca V the other day with only a few hours on the
Hobbs, not to buy, just kicking tires, and I couldn't help thinking that
everything is new in this bird. No corrosion, no cracked hoses, no hidden
"stretch marks" due to some idiot trying to barrel roll her in a fit of
grand standing. It crossed my mind wondering whether the $700K for a lesser
rig is perhaps a better investment than 1/3 of that in something that would
one day tap you on the shoulder in flight and tell you 'I got to go'.
<thinking>
Naaah.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Consolation prize
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > I will tell you what is "not uncommon", my Hobbs meter that is wired
> > through
> > a circuit breaker. It is also less than 4 inches from the meter.
> > Handy......for those pesky Hobbs meter fires that are so frequent.
>
> Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been
> discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses and engine mounts
> on my rig due to innergrannular corrosion.
> It will be one sweet 680E when done...and also the most upside down.
> Unfortunately, I have little recourse. The IA that has signed off the
> plane for the last couple of years should be quaking in his boots
> though - that stuff doesn't just show up over night. Live and learn. I
> wasn't educated enough to know where to look. Somehow it strikes me as
> just slightly more dishonest than a Hobbs wired to a CB...
>
> So now not only do I have my Masters degree in airplane partnerships, I
> also have it in aircraft research and inspections.
>
> <sigh> anyone want a project 680E....
>
> Barry
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Consolation prize |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Barry Hancock wrote:
> Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been
> discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses
Bummer Barry. Had to do those on my old Commander also. I am just
totally amazed that there isn't an AD yet on that. Almost every older
Commander I've ever seen has some serious damage in that area. Guess
it'll take one coming apart in flight before we get an AD... If folks
would just inspect and repair as needed, these things wouldn't turn into
ADs, but that is a slightly difficult area to find if you don't know to
look there.
cs
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| Subject: | Re: Consolation prize |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Nico van Niekerk wrote:
>It crossed my mind wondering whether the $700K for a lesser
> rig is perhaps a better investment ...
Sadly, the "fleet" is getting pretty old. There was a new AD issued on
the 400 series twin Cessnas this week requiring a "spar strap" (like the
old Beech 18 fix) to deal with fatigue cracks. $50,000! Sure feel
sorry for those folks who bought budget 414s thinking it was a lot of
airplane for the money.
The real bummer is that are just not any "manly" twins being built these
days. The Diamond Twinstar is quite impressive in it's speed and fuel
burn, but park it beside a Commander and just laugh at how silly it
looks. We need Jimbob to get his 400hp V8 project done and certified,
then start building new Commanders to hang 'em on.
chris
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| Subject: | Re: Consolation prize |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 5/20/2003 8:16:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm@cox.net writes:
> Had to do those on my old Commander also. I am just
> totally amazed that there isn't an AD yet on that.
HEY, NO MORE TALK LIKE THAT. We have enough ADs on these old gals. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bill Bow wrote:
> Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)?
Bill,
Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I
think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental pans...
chris
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| Subject: | Re: Consolation prize |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> HEY, NO MORE TALK LIKE THAT. We have enough ADs on these old gals.
amen! JB, we all know that it's just a matter of time before a truss
breaks on somebody. This seems like a great opportunity for you to take
some pro-active actions to get folks to inspect and repair damage before
it's too late. (in my humble opinion)
Chris
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| Subject: | JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
JB
How is the project going on the 680F(p) that you bought from Morris? Are you
going to sell any unwanted/unused parts off the bird? If so, let me know.
Thanx!
Moe
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
My engines had a previous life on a 310. My good/better engine has the
correct oil pan. It lines up with the little door on the bottom of the
nacelle. My soon to be rebuilt engine had a different oil pan that did not
line up with the door. It required lining the nacelle with a garbage bag to
cut down on the oil mess when changing oil.
Zypher may add a drain in the right spot. I was just trying to have the
original if feasible.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
> > Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)?
>
> Bill,
> Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I
> think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental
pans...
>
> chris
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Hey Billbo: You already know the cheapest way out......drill another hole. The
perfect fix.
Steve C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
My engines had a previous life on a 310. My good/better engine has the
correct oil pan. It lines up with the little door on the bottom of the
nacelle. My soon to be rebuilt engine had a different oil pan that did not
line up with the door. It required lining the nacelle with a garbage bag to
cut down on the oil mess when changing oil.
Zypher may add a drain in the right spot. I was just trying to have the
original if feasible.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
> > Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)?
>
> Bill,
> Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I
> think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental
pans...
>
> chris
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I know that is the cheapest, But, if someone had a pan they would part with
for a "reasonable" price I would prefer that. There are only 12, 500A
planes left with the IO-470 engines. The market is very small and the
demand is even smaller. I wouldn't give much.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Crow" <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
> Hey Billbo: You already know the cheapest way out......drill another hole.
The perfect fix.
> Steve C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Bow
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow"
<bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> My engines had a previous life on a 310. My good/better engine has the
> correct oil pan. It lines up with the little door on the bottom of the
> nacelle. My soon to be rebuilt engine had a different oil pan that did
not
> line up with the door. It required lining the nacelle with a garbage
bag to
> cut down on the oil mess when changing oil.
>
> Zypher may add a drain in the right spot. I was just trying to have the
> original if feasible.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<cschuerm@cox.net>
> >
> >
> > Bill Bow wrote:
> > > Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the
500A)?
> >
> > Bill,
> > Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I
> > think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental
> pans...
> >
> > chris
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 5/20/2003 8:55:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS@aol.com writes:
> If so, let me know.
>
I will indeed let you know. thanks Me. jb
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