---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/20/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:31 AM - Consolation prize (Barry Hancock) 2. 07:51 AM - pan (Bill Bow) 3. 07:56 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Nico van Niekerk) 4. 08:12 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Stephen Crow) 5. 08:16 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Chris Schuermann) 6. 08:21 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Chris Schuermann) 7. 08:25 AM - Re: Consolation prize (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 8. 08:34 AM - Re: pan (Chris Schuermann) 9. 08:50 AM - Re: Consolation prize (Chris Schuermann) 10. 08:54 AM - JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? (MOEMILLS@aol.com) 11. 09:28 AM - Re: pan (Bill Bow) 12. 09:38 AM - Re: pan (Stephen Crow) 13. 11:40 AM - Re: pan (Bill Bow) 14. 08:07 PM - Re: JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:26 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Consolation prize From: Barry Hancock --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > I will tell you what is "not uncommon", my Hobbs meter that is wired > through > a circuit breaker. It is also less than 4 inches from the meter. > Handy......for those pesky Hobbs meter fires that are so frequent. Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses and engine mounts on my rig due to innergrannular corrosion. It will be one sweet 680E when done...and also the most upside down. Unfortunately, I have little recourse. The IA that has signed off the plane for the last couple of years should be quaking in his boots though - that stuff doesn't just show up over night. Live and learn. I wasn't educated enough to know where to look. Somehow it strikes me as just slightly more dishonest than a Hobbs wired to a CB... So now not only do I have my Masters degree in airplane partnerships, I also have it in aircraft research and inspections. anyone want a project 680E.... Barry Barry Hancock Director of Operations Red Stars, Inc. 949.300.5510 www.allredstar.com "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes" ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:52 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Commander-List: pan --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)? Spare me the "Call Morris" response. bilbo ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:24 AM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" I looked at a 2003 Seneca V the other day with only a few hours on the Hobbs, not to buy, just kicking tires, and I couldn't help thinking that everything is new in this bird. No corrosion, no cracked hoses, no hidden "stretch marks" due to some idiot trying to barrel roll her in a fit of grand standing. It crossed my mind wondering whether the $700K for a lesser rig is perhaps a better investment than 1/3 of that in something that would one day tap you on the shoulder in flight and tell you 'I got to go'. Naaah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Hancock" Subject: Commander-List: Consolation prize > --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock > > > On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > > > I will tell you what is "not uncommon", my Hobbs meter that is wired > > through > > a circuit breaker. It is also less than 4 inches from the meter. > > Handy......for those pesky Hobbs meter fires that are so frequent. > > Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been > discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses and engine mounts > on my rig due to innergrannular corrosion. > It will be one sweet 680E when done...and also the most upside down. > Unfortunately, I have little recourse. The IA that has signed off the > plane for the last couple of years should be quaking in his boots > though - that stuff doesn't just show up over night. Live and learn. I > wasn't educated enough to know where to look. Somehow it strikes me as > just slightly more dishonest than a Hobbs wired to a CB... > > So now not only do I have my Masters degree in airplane partnerships, I > also have it in aircraft research and inspections. > > anyone want a project 680E.... > > Barry > Barry Hancock > Director of Operations > Red Stars, Inc. > 949.300.5510 > www.allredstar.com > "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes" > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:34 AM PST US From: Stephen Crow Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow Compare a tinker toy Seneca to a Commander??? Ah, pshaaa..... Steve C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nico van Niekerk To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" I looked at a 2003 Seneca V the other day with only a few hours on the Hobbs, not to buy, just kicking tires, and I couldn't help thinking that everything is new in this bird. No corrosion, no cracked hoses, no hidden "stretch marks" due to some idiot trying to barrel roll her in a fit of grand standing. It crossed my mind wondering whether the $700K for a lesser rig is perhaps a better investment than 1/3 of that in something that would one day tap you on the shoulder in flight and tell you 'I got to go'. Naaah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Hancock" To: Subject: Commander-List: Consolation prize > --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock > > > On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > > > I will tell you what is "not uncommon", my Hobbs meter that is wired > > through > > a circuit breaker. It is also less than 4 inches from the meter. > > Handy......for those pesky Hobbs meter fires that are so frequent. > > Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been > discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses and engine mounts > on my rig due to innergrannular corrosion. > It will be one sweet 680E when done...and also the most upside down. > Unfortunately, I have little recourse. The IA that has signed off the > plane for the last couple of years should be quaking in his boots > though - that stuff doesn't just show up over night. Live and learn. I > wasn't educated enough to know where to look. Somehow it strikes me as > just slightly more dishonest than a Hobbs wired to a CB... > > So now not only do I have my Masters degree in airplane partnerships, I > also have it in aircraft research and inspections. > > anyone want a project 680E.... > > Barry > Barry Hancock > Director of Operations > Red Stars, Inc. > 949.300.5510 > www.allredstar.com > "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes" > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:12 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Barry Hancock wrote: > Well, if it's any consolation, Morris is doing my annual and it has been > discovered we need to replace the landing gear trusses Bummer Barry. Had to do those on my old Commander also. I am just totally amazed that there isn't an AD yet on that. Almost every older Commander I've ever seen has some serious damage in that area. Guess it'll take one coming apart in flight before we get an AD... If folks would just inspect and repair as needed, these things wouldn't turn into ADs, but that is a slightly difficult area to find if you don't know to look there. cs ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:32 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Nico van Niekerk wrote: >It crossed my mind wondering whether the $700K for a lesser > rig is perhaps a better investment ... Sadly, the "fleet" is getting pretty old. There was a new AD issued on the 400 series twin Cessnas this week requiring a "spar strap" (like the old Beech 18 fix) to deal with fatigue cracks. $50,000! Sure feel sorry for those folks who bought budget 414s thinking it was a lot of airplane for the money. The real bummer is that are just not any "manly" twins being built these days. The Diamond Twinstar is quite impressive in it's speed and fuel burn, but park it beside a Commander and just laugh at how silly it looks. We need Jimbob to get his 400hp V8 project done and certified, then start building new Commanders to hang 'em on. chris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:57 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 5/20/2003 8:16:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, cschuerm@cox.net writes: > Had to do those on my old Commander also. I am just > totally amazed that there isn't an AD yet on that. HEY, NO MORE TALK LIKE THAT. We have enough ADs on these old gals. jb ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:52 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Bill Bow wrote: > Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)? Bill, Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental pans... chris ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:44 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Consolation prize --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote: > HEY, NO MORE TALK LIKE THAT. We have enough ADs on these old gals. amen! JB, we all know that it's just a matter of time before a truss breaks on somebody. This seems like a great opportunity for you to take some pro-active actions to get folks to inspect and repair damage before it's too late. (in my humble opinion) Chris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:51 AM PST US From: MOEMILLS@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com JB How is the project going on the 680F(p) that you bought from Morris? Are you going to sell any unwanted/unused parts off the bird? If so, let me know. Thanx! Moe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:00 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" My engines had a previous life on a 310. My good/better engine has the correct oil pan. It lines up with the little door on the bottom of the nacelle. My soon to be rebuilt engine had a different oil pan that did not line up with the door. It required lining the nacelle with a garbage bag to cut down on the oil mess when changing oil. Zypher may add a drain in the right spot. I was just trying to have the original if feasible. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > Bill Bow wrote: > > Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)? > > Bill, > Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I > think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental pans... > > chris > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:01 AM PST US From: Stephen Crow Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow Hey Billbo: You already know the cheapest way out......drill another hole. The perfect fix. Steve C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" My engines had a previous life on a 310. My good/better engine has the correct oil pan. It lines up with the little door on the bottom of the nacelle. My soon to be rebuilt engine had a different oil pan that did not line up with the door. It required lining the nacelle with a garbage bag to cut down on the oil mess when changing oil. Zypher may add a drain in the right spot. I was just trying to have the original if feasible. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" To: Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > Bill Bow wrote: > > Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)? > > Bill, > Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I > think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental pans... > > chris > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:23 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" I know that is the cheapest, But, if someone had a pan they would part with for a "reasonable" price I would prefer that. There are only 12, 500A planes left with the IO-470 engines. The market is very small and the demand is even smaller. I wouldn't give much. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Crow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan > --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow > > Hey Billbo: You already know the cheapest way out......drill another hole. The perfect fix. > Steve C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bow > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" > > My engines had a previous life on a 310. My good/better engine has the > correct oil pan. It lines up with the little door on the bottom of the > nacelle. My soon to be rebuilt engine had a different oil pan that did not > line up with the door. It required lining the nacelle with a garbage bag to > cut down on the oil mess when changing oil. > > Zypher may add a drain in the right spot. I was just trying to have the > original if feasible. > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Schuermann" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: pan > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > > > > Bill Bow wrote: > > > Does anybody have an oil pan for an IO-470-M(found only on the 500A)? > > > > Bill, > > Is yours cracked or do you need a totally new one for some reason? I > > think there's a place here in Tulsa that repairs cracked continental > pans... > > > > chris > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:24 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: JB how goes the Chev. conversion project? --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 5/20/2003 8:55:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS@aol.com writes: > If so, let me know. > I will indeed let you know. thanks Me. jb