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                           Commander-List Digest Archive
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                     Total Messages Posted Tue 05/27/03: 2
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Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:40 AM - Congrats Air Matrix..!!  (Randy Dettmer)
     2. 09:28 PM - Fw: Cheap ships  (Nico van Niekerk)
 
 
 
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Time: 06:40:17 AM PST US
From: Randy Dettmer <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Congrats Air Matrix..!!

--> Commander-List message posted by: Randy Dettmer <rcdettmer@charter.net>

Congratulations to the Air Matrix gang in Arlington..!!  I enjoyed seeing
the incredible work being done to the Air Matrix Commander when at AWO last
Month. 
It's great to hear that she is flying again.

Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X






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Time: 09:28:32 PM PST US
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Fw: Commander-List: Cheap ships

--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>


 Nico;
 I've been out of town for the Holiday, so this may be redundant.  On heavy
 iron commercial airliners, if you get an electrical 'run away trim' you
 apply opposite control force which applies a break to the trim motor, then
 pull the circuit breaker and manually trim (if able).  That's it quick and
 dirty.
 Don

I thought I'd share it with the folks, Don. Good stuff. Thanks.
It sounds as if that opposite control would slide one's scotch and peanuts
sideways off the fold-out table.
Nico


 --- Lowell Girod
 --- dongirod@earthlink.net
 --- Twin Commander 560 E


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cheap ships


>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Nico van Niekerk <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>  > Date: 5/25/03 3:32:53 AM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Cheap ships
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Thanks, Chief, for the education on these engines. Your explanation was
> > clear and well done.
> >
> > Got a couple of questions that bug me.
> >
> > Why would a Sabreliner 60SC Raisbeck 9 paz Jet be sold for $299K? Or an
> > HS125-400 for under $500K? I can imagine that there could be time-out
> > engines and other problems, such as non-compliance with noise (because
> those
> > pods look awfully small in the pics) etc., but these birds hardly have
> 2000
> > hrs SMOH. It looks like good value for money but, one cannot help but
> > wonder.
> >
> > Then, there are the MU's. An acquaintance got killed many years ago in
an
> > MU, supposedly a runaway trim caused it to pull up into a stall after
> > takeoff and it crashed. Rumors are not my stock-in-trade but bad stories
> > about the MU's keep filtering through the hanger talk. What's your take
on
> > it?
> >
> > Finally, what should one do when a trim runs away, pulling up all the
> time?
> > If the circuit breaker doesn't pop (the ones that are flat and only pops
> > when there's an overload on the circuit) should the pilot rather put the
> > plane in a steep turn and deal with a high speed stall rather the one
that
> > brings the plane down?  There should be a point in a steep turn where
full
> > up trim balanced with a certain amount of power would sustain flight in
a
> > continuous turn, even if it's just to give the pilot time to get a
mental
> > hold on the problem. How would you handle that?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >