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1. 01:19 AM - Re: Piston spares (Bill Hamilton)
2. 01:31 AM - Re: New to group; Looking for first Commander (Bill Hamilton)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Piston spares (Barry Collman)
4. 10:08 AM - Re: New to group; Looking for first Commander (Bill Bow)
5. 11:13 AM - Re: New to group; Looking for first Commander (CloudCraft@aol.com)
6. 11:40 AM - Re: New to group; Looking for first Commander (Craig Lundborg)
7. 11:41 AM - Re: New to group; Looking for first Commander (Jim Addington)
8. 05:17 PM - Re: New to group; Looking for first Commander (Cy Galley)
9. 05:44 PM - Commanders as Automobiles (CloudCraft@aol.com)
10. 07:12 PM - Re: Commanders as Automobiles (Jim Addington)
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| Subject: | Re: Piston spares |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Barry,
Could you please advise the contact details, please.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton.
At 08:28 PM 12/06/03 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hi Guys!
>
>A stock of piston Commander spares is available for sale here in the UK.
>
>If anybody is interested, let me know and I'll put you in touch with the
>seller.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Barry
>
>
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| Subject: | New to group; Looking for first Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Jim,
I guess that's the penalty of that lovely high aspect ration, minimum
induced drag wing.
As for TCM versus Lycoming, take your pick, they all have their problems,
they all like being well looked after and no engine likes hamfisted handling.
I would love a few more horsepower in my 500A, then I look at the 22gph in
cruise and think, I would rather ( for a purely private aircraft) I would
rather spend the money on more flying, rather than more horsepower.
Cheers all,
Bill Hamilton.
At 06:43 PM 12/06/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
><jtaddington@charter.net>
>
>I have to agree with the head room and leg room. I am 5'10" and have to
>slide down about two inches to get full rudder through. The systems are
>about as simple as you can get. They are either on or off. If you lose and
>engine you don't have to think about fuel transfer it is automatic as there
>is basicly one tank. The biggest draw back I have is finding a hangar to put
>it in. I have had to move several times due to the hangars being sold.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
>
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 06/12/03 12:13:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
>Alan.Kucheck@borland.com writes:
>
>
> > Besides, it is so hard
> > to build that multi time when you are going so fast...
> >
>
>Good point!
>
>I had a client about the same dimensions that you have and he went Commander
>for the same reason -- 500-A Colemill, in fact.
>
>The harsh truth about the 520 sized Continentals is that they crack.
>Continental knows they crack and allows a certain amount of it. (We're
>talking cases
>here, not cylinders)
>
>Most of the "light case" IO-520s are gone, replaced with the heavy cases,
>but
>the client I mentioned had to do an engine replacement on his Commander.
>(1993)
>
>When you buy and then train in your Commander you'll not only get Max
>Headroom and higher useful load, but superior systems as well. But you
>won't really
>appreciate that until you start flying a Commander.
>
>Enough enticement. Start shopping.
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piston spares |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Bill,
I've passed your email on to Doug Jacob. Should you not hear from him within a
reasonable time, please let me know.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Piston spares
| --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
|
| Barry,
| Could you please advise the contact details, please.
| Regards,
| Bill Hamilton.
|
|
| At 08:28 PM 12/06/03 +0100, you wrote:
| >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
| ><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| >Hi Guys!
| >
| >A stock of piston Commander spares is available for sale here in the UK.
| >
| >If anybody is interested, let me know and I'll put you in touch with the
| >seller.
| >
| >Best Regards,
| >
| >Barry
| >
| >
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: New to group; Looking for first Commander |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
"asking the man who owns one."
I like the comparison made here to another fine American product of years
gone by. PACKARD.
bilbo
> Thanks for the hard numbers - very helpful. About what I would have
> expected but nice to get confirmation by "asking the man who owns one."
>
> I'm open to other models [everything doesn't come onto the market all at
> once], but I think the A would work just fine for what I want.
>
> Alan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Addington [mailto:jtaddington@charter.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:22 AM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
> >
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> > --> <jtaddington@charter.net>
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > I have a 500A that I bought April 1,1981 and have tried to
> > trade it several times and the wised up that I had a better
> > plane than I was looking at for my purposes. I have had up to
> > five large people in mine and just reduced the fuel load to
> > make up the difference. I still have the IO-470's (260 hp)and
> > usually burn around 22 to 25 gph and cruse at from 175 to 185
> > mph. The plane will land short and get out of a short field.
> > I regularly go in out of a 2600 foot grass field. The cockpit
> > is roomy and I had one large passenger say, it was the only
> > plane he had been in that he was comfortable. Some one else
> > stated that women could get in and still be a lady. I have
> > often wanted the larger engines but from a practical stand
> > point for my needs the plane does all I need. Any thing I can
> > help you with let me know. I guess you figured out I love my
> > plane. Jim Addington N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
> > Of Alan Kucheck
> > To: 'commander-list@matronics.com'
> > Subject: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
> >
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Alan Kucheck
> > <Alan.Kucheck@borland.com>
> >
> > All:
> >
> > I have been lurking for a while now, having joined TCFG a
> > couple of months ago. I am looking for my first Twin
> > Commander and I have to say, this group has been a real
> > education. I have begun to feel that I know a few of you
> > already; at least your email personas. ;>)
> >
> > I currently fly a 1964 Beech Debonair. I am still trying to
> > figure out how to convince my wife that it is really
> > essential to have TWO airplanes. I'm instrument rated and
> > current, a low-time guy [about 400 hours], just about to get
> > my multi. Without wanting to get into the whole "geared vs.
> > direct" war [I am open to either], I would be interested in
> > any thoughts about getting into one's first Commander:
> > particular things to watch out for, etc. Clearly a good
> > pre-buy is essential.
> >
> > I have been watching the ads, talking to a few owners. There
> > does not appear to be a lot of turnover right now - an
> > occasional 500A, always a few B models [though some very high
> > time] and a handful of Shrikes. The latter are clearly
> > outside my budget. The B's seem to command higher prices [I
> > suppose that Colemill-converted A's, with HP in the same
> > league as that of the Bs command the same prices]. In fact,
> > I have seen one B model [with ~13,000 hours TT] advertised
> > for exactly the same price an A that had 10,000 hours fewer TTAF.
> >
> > My interest has been piqued recently by a particular 500A.
> > So to you "A" drivers out there:
> >
> > * Are you happy with your decision? Or do you have
> > "B envy", and
> > are just biding your time until you can get into a B, S, or
> > maybe something geared?
> >
> > * Can you tell me what you typically cruise at and
> > what the fuel
> > burn is? My missions don't typically involve high
> > density-altitude departures; I will not be at max gross most
> > of the time. I love speed as much as the next guy but also
> > appreciate fuel economy when it can be had without
> > compromising safety.
> >
> > * Going into SNA I am forever being asked to "keep my
> > speed up" til
> > the FAF and the relatively high max gear extension speed of
> > the Deb [143Kts] helps quite a bit. Can you confirm max gear
> > extension speed on the 500A is 156Kts?
> >
> > * Is the fact that there are so few "original" 500A's
> > out there
> > starting to cause any parts availability problems?
> >
> > My intent is to first acquire the right airplane and then 2
> > or 3 partners. I am based in Orange County, CA [the Debonair
> > is hangared at SNA], so if there are potential partners out
> > there, let's talk.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
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> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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> >
> >
> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:Arial'>I have been lurking for a while now,
> > having joined TCFG a couple of months ago. I am looking for
> > my first Twin Commander and I have to say, this group has
> > been a real education. I have begun to feel that I know a few
> > of you already; at least your email personas. ;)
> >
> >
> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:Arial'>I currently fly a 1964 Beech Debonair. I
> > am still trying to figure out how to convince my wife that it
> > is really essential to have TWO airplanes. I'm instrument
> > rated and current, a low-time guy [about 400 hours], just
> > about to get my multi. Without wanting to get into the whole
> > "geared vs. direct" war [I am open to either], I would be
> > interested in any thoughts about getting into one's first
> > Commander: particular things to watch out for, etc. Clearly a
> > good pre-buy is essential.
> >
> >
> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:Arial'>I have been watching the ads, talking to a
> > few owners. There does not appear to be a lot of turnover
> > right now - an occasional 500A, always a few B models [though
> > some very high time] and a handful of Shrikes. The latter are
> > clearly outside my budget. The B's seem to command higher
> > prices [I suppose that Colemill-converted A's, with HP in the
> > same league as that of the Bs command the same prices]. In
> > fact, I have seen one B model [with ~13,000 hours TT]
> > advertised for exactly the same price an A that had 10,000
> > hours fewer TTAF.
> >
> >
> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:Arial'>My interest has been piqued recently by a
> > particular 500A. So to you "A" drivers out there:
> >
> >
> > <p class=MsoNormal
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> > face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
> > Roman"'> <span style='font-size:
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Are you happy with your decision?
> > Or do you have "B envy", and are just biding your time until
> > you can get into a B, S, or maybe something geared?
> >
> >
> > <p class=MsoNormal
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> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Can you tell me what you typically
> > cruise at and what the fuel burn is? My missions don't
> > typically involve high density-altitude departures; I will
> > not be at max gross most of the time. I love speed as much as
> > the next guy but also appreciate fuel economy when it can be
> > had without compromising safety.
> >
> >
> > <p class=MsoNormal
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> > face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New
> > Roman"'> <span style='font-size:
> > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Going into SNA I am forever being
> > asked to "keep my speed up" til the FAF and the relatively
> > high max gear extension speed of the Deb [143Kts] helps quite
> > a bit. Can you confirm max gear extension speed on the 500A is 156Kts?
> >
> >
> > <p class=MsoNormal
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> > Roman"'> <span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Is
> > the fact that there are so few "original" 500A's out there
> > starting to cause any parts availability problems?
> >
> >
> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> > font-family:Arial'>My intent is to first acquire the right
> > airplane and then 2 or 3 partners. I am based in <span
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> > style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [the Debonair is
> > hangared at SNA], so if there are potential partners out
> > there, let's talk.
> >
> >
> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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> >
> >
> > <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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> RE: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
>
>
> Jim:
>
>
> Thanks for the hard numbers - very helpful. About what I would have
expected but nice to get confirmation by asking the man who owns one.
>
>
> I'm open to other models [everything doesn't come onto the market all at
once], but I think the A would work just fine for what I want.
>
>
> Alan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Jim Addington [<A
HREF"mailto:jtaddington@charter.net">mailto:jtaddington@charter.net]
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:22 AM
>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
>
>
> -- Commander-List message posted by: Jim Addington
>
> -- jtaddington@charter.net
>
>
> Alan,
>
>
> I have a 500A that I bought April 1,1981 and have tried to
>
> trade it several times and the wised up that I had a better
>
> plane than I was looking at for my purposes. I have had up to
>
> five large people in mine and just reduced the fuel load to
>
> make up the difference. I still have the IO-470's (260 hp)and
>
> usually burn around 22 to 25 gph and cruse at from 175 to 185
>
> mph. The plane will land short and get out of a short field.
>
> I regularly go in out of a 2600 foot grass field. The cockpit
>
> is roomy and I had one large passenger say, it was the only
>
> plane he had been in that he was comfortable. Some one else
>
> stated that women could get in and still be a lady. I have
>
> often wanted the larger engines but from a practical stand
>
> point for my needs the plane does all I need. Any thing I can
>
> help you with let me know. I guess you figured out I love my
>
> plane. Jim Addington N444BD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>
> [<A
HREF"mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com">mailto:owner-commande
r-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
>
> Of Alan Kucheck
>
> To: 'commander-list@matronics.com'
>
> Subject: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
>
>
> -- Commander-List message posted by: Alan Kucheck
>
> Alan.Kucheck@borland.com
>
>
> All:
>
>
> I have been lurking for a while now, having joined TCFG a
>
> couple of months ago. I am looking for my first Twin
>
> Commander and I have to say, this group has been a real
>
> education. I have begun to feel that I know a few of you
>
> already; at least your email personas. ;)
>
>
> I currently fly a 1964 Beech Debonair. I am still trying to
>
> figure out how to convince my wife that it is really
>
> essential to have TWO airplanes. I'm instrument rated and
>
> current, a low-time guy [about 400 hours], just about to get
>
> my multi. Without wanting to get into the whole geared vs.
>
> direct war [I am open to either], I would be interested in
>
> any thoughts about getting into one's first Commander:
>
> particular things to watch out for, etc. Clearly a good
>
> pre-buy is essential.
>
>
> I have been watching the ads, talking to a few owners. There
>
> does not appear to be a lot of turnover right now - an
>
> occasional 500A, always a few B models [though some very high
>
> time] and a handful of Shrikes. The latter are clearly
>
> outside my budget. The B's seem to command higher prices [I
>
> suppose that Colemill-converted A's, with HP in the same
>
> league as that of the Bs command the same prices]. In fact,
>
> I have seen one B model [with ~13,000 hours TT] advertised
>
> for exactly the same price an A that had 10,000 hours fewer TTAF.
>
>
> My interest has been piqued recently by a particular 500A.
>
> So to you A drivers out there:
>
>
> * Are you happy with your decision? Or do you have
>
> B envy, and
>
> are just biding your time until you can get into a B, S, or
>
> maybe something geared?
>
>
> * Can you tell me what you typically cruise at and
>
> what the fuel
>
> burn is? My missions don't typically involve high
>
> density-altitude departures; I will not be at max gross most
>
> of the time. I love speed as much as the next guy but also
>
> appreciate fuel economy when it can be had without
>
> compromising safety.
>
>
> * Going into SNA I am forever being asked to keep my
>
> speed up til
>
> the FAF and the relatively high max gear extension speed of
>
> the Deb [143Kts] helps quite a bit. Can you confirm max gear
>
> extension speed on the 500A is 156Kts?
>
>
> * Is the fact that there are so few original 500A's
>
> out there
>
> starting to cause any parts availability problems?
>
>
> My intent is to first acquire the right airplane and then 2
>
> or 3 partners. I am based in Orange County, CA [the Debonair
>
> is hangared at SNA], so if there are potential partners out
>
> there, let's talk.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Alan
>
>
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> font-family:Arial'I have been lurking for a while now,
>
> having joined TCFG a couple of months ago. I am looking for
>
> my first Twin Commander and I have to say, this group has
>
> been a real education. I have begun to feel that I know a few
>
> of you already; at least your email personas. ;)
>
>
> span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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> font-family:Arial'I currently fly a 1964 Beech Debonair. I
>
> am still trying to figure out how to convince my wife that it
>
> is really essential to have TWO airplanes. I'm instrument
>
> rated and current, a low-time guy [about 400 hours], just
>
> about to get my multi. Without wanting to get into the whole
>
> geared vs. direct war [I am open to either], I would be
>
> interested in any thoughts about getting into one's first
>
> Commander: particular things to watch out for, etc. Clearly a
>
> good pre-buy is essential.
>
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> span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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> font-family:Arial'I have been watching the ads, talking to a
>
> few owners. There does not appear to be a lot of turnover
>
> right now - an occasional 500A, always a few B models [though
>
> some very high time] and a handful of Shrikes. The latter are
>
> clearly outside my budget. The B's seem to command higher
>
> prices [I suppose that Colemill-converted A's, with HP in the
>
> same league as that of the Bs command the same prices]. In
>
> fact, I have seen one B model [with ~13,000 hours TT]
>
> advertised for exactly the same price an A that had 10,000
>
> hours fewer TTAF.
>
>
> span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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> font-family:Arial'My interest has been piqued recently by a
>
> particular 500A. So to you A drivers out there:
>
>
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> Roman' span style'font-size:
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> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'Are you happy with your decision?
>
> Or do you have B envy, and are just biding your time until
>
> you can get into a B, S, or maybe something geared?
>
>
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> Roman' span style'font-size:
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> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'Can you tell me what you typically
>
> cruise at and what the fuel burn is? My missions don't
>
> typically involve high density-altitude departures; I will
>
> not be at max gross most of the time. I love speed as much as
>
> the next guy but also appreciate fuel economy when it can be
>
> had without compromising safety.
>
>
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> Roman' span style'font-size:
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> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'Going into SNA I am forever being
>
> asked to keep my speed up til the FAF and the relatively
>
> high max gear extension speed of the Deb [143Kts] helps quite
>
> a bit. Can you confirm max gear extension speed on the 500A is 156Kts?
>
>
> p classMsoNormal
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> Roman' span style'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'Is
>
> the fact that there are so few original 500A's out there
>
> starting to cause any parts availability problems?
>
>
> span style'font-size:10.0pt;
>
> font-family:Arial'My intent is to first acquire the right
>
> airplane and then 2 or 3 partners. I am based in span
>
> style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'Orange
>
> Countyfont size2 faceArialspan
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> size2 faceArialspan
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> style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial' [the Debonair is
>
> hangared at SNA], so if there are potential partners out
>
> there, let's talk.
>
>
> span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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> font-family:Arial'thanks,
>
>
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> font-family:Arial'
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> span style'font-size:10.0pt;
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> font-family:Arial'Alan
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> Matronics Forums.
>
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> List members.
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 06/15/03 10:09:37 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
> I like the comparison made here to another fine American product of years
> gone by. PACKARD.
>
Jeeeeezzzz Bilbo, you're really old. I've always thought of Commanders in
terms of the '57 Chevy.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Craig Lundborg" <dltafolk@inreach.com>
My grandparents told me about Packards!
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 06/15/03 10:09:37 Pacific Daylight Time,
> bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> > I like the comparison made here to another fine American product of
years
> > gone by. PACKARD.
> >
>
> Jeeeeezzzz Bilbo, you're really old. I've always thought of Commanders in
> terms of the '57 Chevy.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I have to agree because I really like the wing also. The plane lands and
takes off in a short field, it likes high altitude, stalls like a cub, plus
it just looks good. It looks a lot like the P-38 wing and of course the A-20
and A-26. I agree that for a private plane it does any thing I need.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton
<fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Jim,
I guess that's the penalty of that lovely high aspect ration, minimum
induced drag wing.
As for TCM versus Lycoming, take your pick, they all have their problems,
they all like being well looked after and no engine likes hamfisted
handling.
I would love a few more horsepower in my 500A, then I look at the 22gph in
cruise and think, I would rather ( for a purely private aircraft) I would
rather spend the money on more flying, rather than more horsepower.
Cheers all,
Bill Hamilton.
At 06:43 PM 12/06/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
><jtaddington@charter.net>
>
>I have to agree with the head room and leg room. I am 5'10" and have to
>slide down about two inches to get full rudder through. The systems are
>about as simple as you can get. They are either on or off. If you lose and
>engine you don't have to think about fuel transfer it is automatic as there
>is basicly one tank. The biggest draw back I have is finding a hangar to
put
>it in. I have had to move several times due to the hangars being sold.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
>
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 06/12/03 12:13:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
>Alan.Kucheck@borland.com writes:
>
>
> > Besides, it is so hard
> > to build that multi time when you are going so fast...
> >
>
>Good point!
>
>I had a client about the same dimensions that you have and he went
Commander
>for the same reason -- 500-A Colemill, in fact.
>
>The harsh truth about the 520 sized Continentals is that they crack.
>Continental knows they crack and allows a certain amount of it. (We're
>talking cases
>here, not cylinders)
>
>Most of the "light case" IO-520s are gone, replaced with the heavy cases,
>but
>the client I mentioned had to do an engine replacement on his Commander.
>(1993)
>
>When you buy and then train in your Commander you'll not only get Max
>Headroom and higher useful load, but superior systems as well. But you
>won't really
>appreciate that until you start flying a Commander.
>
>Enough enticement. Start shopping.
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
No, Commanders were Studebakers!
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to group; Looking for first Commander
> --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 06/15/03 10:09:37 Pacific Daylight Time,
> bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> > I like the comparison made here to another fine American product of
years
> > gone by. PACKARD.
> >
>
> Jeeeeezzzz Bilbo, you're really old. I've always thought of Commanders in
> terms of the '57 Chevy.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 06/15/03 17:19:51 Pacific Daylight Time, cgalley@qcbc.org
writes:
> No, Commanders were Studebakers!
That's true, isn't it, Cy?
About a year or more ago a thread ran on the first generation TCFG email net
about the Studebaker Commander logo and whether it was -- or at least
influenced -- the Aero Commander logo.
I wrote to the Studebaker museum but never got a response.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Commanders as Automobiles |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I guess that tells how some people think of their plane. I thought it was
more like a Rolls Royce.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commanders as Automobiles
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 06/15/03 17:19:51 Pacific Daylight Time, cgalley@qcbc.org
writes:
> No, Commanders were Studebakers!
That's true, isn't it, Cy?
About a year or more ago a thread ran on the first generation TCFG email net
about the Studebaker Commander logo and whether it was -- or at least
influenced -- the Aero Commander logo.
I wrote to the Studebaker museum but never got a response.
Wing Commander Gordon
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