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1. 11:18 AM - bladder (Barry Hancock)
2. 03:24 PM - Was this commander mod every successful? (Nico van Niekerk)
3. 03:42 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Stephen Crow)
4. 03:51 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Bill Bow)
5. 03:54 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Nico van Niekerk)
6. 04:01 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Nico van Niekerk)
7. 04:09 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Bill Bow)
8. 06:11 PM - Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa (Stephen Crow)
9. 06:27 PM - Fw: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa (Stephen Crow)
10. 06:32 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (CloudCraft@aol.com)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> -> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson"
> <kerry@kvelectric.com>
>
> In case anyone is interested, there's a new 680/680 fuel bladder on e
> bay
> closing in 45 minutes. Bid amount is $450.00 right now. It's in e bay
> motors, aviation, parts.
Crap, I could have used that! Looks like I'm a day late....
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Was this commander mod every successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Was this mod ever successful?
Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod, what
type of engines were used, and how did it perform?
What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the undercarraige.
It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles, but the
oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to this.
I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have checked
it for virusses and it's clean.
Thanks
Nico
CommanderMod
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| Subject: | Re: Was this commander mod every successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
What mod? What server? What Link?
Steve C.
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Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Was this mod ever successful?
Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod, what
type of engines were used, and how did it perform?
What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the undercarraige.
It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles, but the
oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to this.
I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have checked
it for virusses and it's clean.
Thanks
Nico
CommanderMod
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| Subject: | Re: Was this commander mod every successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I didn't see anything.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Crow" <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
> What mod? What server? What Link?
> Steve C.
>
> ============================================
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Was this mod ever successful?
> Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the
mod, what type of engines were used, and how did it perform?
> What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the
undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles,
but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to
this.
>
> I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I
have checked it for virusses and it's clean.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
> CommanderMod
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was this commander mod every successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Hmmm. Just like me. A senior moment, I guess. I forgot that the list strips
off all hyperlinks and attachments because of virusses.
If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into your
web browser.
http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Was this mod ever successful?
> Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod,
what type of engines were used, and how did it perform?
> What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the
undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles,
but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to
this.
>
> I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have
checked it for virusses and it's clean.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
> CommanderMod
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was this commander mod every successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Now the link works.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Hmmm. Just like me. A senior moment, I guess. I forgot that the list
strips
> off all hyperlinks and attachments because of virusses.
>
> If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into your
> web browser.
>
> http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Was this mod ever successful?
> > Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the
mod,
> what type of engines were used, and how did it perform?
> > What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the
> undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the
nacelles,
> but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to
> this.
> >
> > I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I
have
> checked it for virusses and it's clean.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> > CommanderMod
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was this commander mod every successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
That's pretty neat. I'll bet it will really "smoke the tires" on gear
retraction.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Now the link works.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Hmmm. Just like me. A senior moment, I guess. I forgot that the list
> strips
> > off all hyperlinks and attachments because of virusses.
> >
> > If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into
your
> > web browser.
> >
> > http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg
> >
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful?
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > Was this mod ever successful?
> > > Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the
> mod,
> > what type of engines were used, and how did it perform?
> > > What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on
the
> > undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the
> nacelles,
> > but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer
to
> > this.
> > >
> > > I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I
> have
> > checked it for virusses and it's clean.
> > > Thanks
> > > Nico
> > >
> > > CommanderMod
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
More damn restrictions!
Steve C.
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----- Original Message -----
From: JERRYROOKS@aol.com
Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003
A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area
==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==
FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA
AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish
30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and
Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30.
AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential
movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association
maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the
president's security.
The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local
on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP
vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The
Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and
prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE
vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa
International Airport).
Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000
feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress.
Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete
transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain
two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic
control may authorize transient operations.
The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48),
Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North
Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46),
Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort
Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4),
Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive
(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark
(PMP).
The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International
(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted
(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM),
Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal
(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and
Hernando County (BKV).
Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights
as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See
AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ).
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| Subject: | Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what tremendous
inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight restrictions. Just
look at the list of airports, large and small that are effected. He reminds
me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to be shutdown while he had a
leisurely haircut in a parked A/F One.
This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties he causes.
Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules".
BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!".
The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I don't think he's totally
deaf.
Steve C.
====================================================================
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
More damn restrictions!
Steve C.
====================================
----- Original Message -----
From: JERRYROOKS@aol.com
Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003
A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area
==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==
FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA
AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish
30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and
Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30.
AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential
movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association
maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the
president's security.
The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local
on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP
vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The
Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and
prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE
vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa
International Airport).
Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000
feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress.
Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete
transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain
two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic
control may authorize transient operations.
The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48),
Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North
Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46),
Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort
Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4),
Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive
(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark
(PMP).
The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International
(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted
(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM),
Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal
(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and
Hernando County (BKV).
Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights
as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See
AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ).
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| Subject: | Re: Was this commander mod every successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 06/27/03 15:55:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
> If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into your
> web browser.
>
> http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg
>
Nico,
Sir Barry brought this up some time ago and we bantered about it a bit.
He'll have the details. As for me, I saw this, or similar conversion in 1979
at the Aerospaciale facility in Toulouse, France.
It was being used as a corporate shuttle and I never found out if it was
Aerospeciale or a vendor / subcontractor that did the conversion and operated it.
(There were lots of one-off aircraft conversions at Toulouse to support the
Airbus production, such as the "guppy" DC-7 and others.)
I was kind of busy at the time so did not look very closely, but remember
seeing lots of exhaust soot on the MLG struts. The core of the jet was not
blowing on them, however.
I bet it only had about 600 nm range, given the fuel load of a Turbo
Commander and the fuel flow of a small turbofan about this size.
Great for a shuttle, dismal for the general market. Especially in large
countries such as the U.S. and Australia.
Wing Commander Gordon
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