---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/27/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:18 AM - bladder (Barry Hancock) 2. 03:24 PM - Was this commander mod every successful? (Nico van Niekerk) 3. 03:42 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Stephen Crow) 4. 03:51 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Bill Bow) 5. 03:54 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Nico van Niekerk) 6. 04:01 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Nico van Niekerk) 7. 04:09 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (Bill Bow) 8. 06:11 PM - Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa (Stephen Crow) 9. 06:27 PM - Fw: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa (Stephen Crow) 10. 06:32 PM - Re: Was this commander mod every successful? (CloudCraft@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:32 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: bladder From: Barry Hancock --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > -> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" > > > In case anyone is interested, there's a new 680/680 fuel bladder on e > bay > closing in 45 minutes. Bid amount is $450.00 right now. It's in e bay > motors, aviation, parts. Crap, I could have used that! Looks like I'm a day late.... Barry Hancock Director of Operations Red Stars, Inc. 949.300.5510 www.allredstar.com "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes" ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:02 PM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" Was this mod ever successful? Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod, what type of engines were used, and how did it perform? What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles, but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to this. I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have checked it for virusses and it's clean. Thanks Nico CommanderMod ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:18 PM PST US From: Stephen Crow Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow What mod? What server? What Link? Steve C. ============================================ Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" Was this mod ever successful? Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod, what type of engines were used, and how did it perform? What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles, but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to this. I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have checked it for virusses and it's clean. Thanks Nico CommanderMod ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:47 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" I didn't see anything. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Crow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow > > What mod? What server? What Link? > Steve C. > > ============================================ > > > Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > Was this mod ever successful? > Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod, what type of engines were used, and how did it perform? > What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles, but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to this. > > I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have checked it for virusses and it's clean. > Thanks > Nico > > CommanderMod > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:21 PM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" Hmmm. Just like me. A senior moment, I guess. I forgot that the list strips off all hyperlinks and attachments because of virusses. If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into your web browser. http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > Was this mod ever successful? > Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod, what type of engines were used, and how did it perform? > What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles, but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to this. > > I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have checked it for virusses and it's clean. > Thanks > Nico > > CommanderMod > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:23 PM PST US From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" Now the link works. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > Hmmm. Just like me. A senior moment, I guess. I forgot that the list strips > off all hyperlinks and attachments because of virusses. > > If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into your > web browser. > > http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg > > Thanks > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nico van Niekerk" > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > > > > Was this mod ever successful? > > Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the mod, > what type of engines were used, and how did it perform? > > What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the > undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the nacelles, > but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to > this. > > > > I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I have > checked it for virusses and it's clean. > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > CommanderMod > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:12 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" That's pretty neat. I'll bet it will really "smoke the tires" on gear retraction. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nico van Niekerk" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > Now the link works. > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nico van Niekerk" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > > > > Hmmm. Just like me. A senior moment, I guess. I forgot that the list > strips > > off all hyperlinks and attachments because of virusses. > > > > If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into your > > web browser. > > > > http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg > > > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nico van Niekerk" > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Nico van Niekerk" > > > > > > > > Was this mod ever successful? > > > Does anybody have any information on this such as what lead up to the > mod, > > what type of engines were used, and how did it perform? > > > What troubles me is the affect that the exhaust gasses would have on the > > undercarraige. It appears if the pylons are mounted inboard of the > nacelles, > > but the oleos look inboard of the engines, so there is no clear answer to > > this. > > > > > > I uploaded the image to my server, so just click on the link below. I > have > > checked it for virusses and it's clean. > > > Thanks > > > Nico > > > > > > CommanderMod > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:02 PM PST US From: Stephen Crow Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow More damn restrictions! Steve C. ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: JERRYROOKS@aol.com Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003 A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area ==> ATTENTION PILOTS <== FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish 30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30. AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the president's security. The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa International Airport). Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000 feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress. Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic control may authorize transient operations. The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48), Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46), Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4), Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive (FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark (PMP). The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International (TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International (PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted (SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM), Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal (ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and Hernando County (BKV). Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam ( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam ( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ). ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:02 PM PST US From: Stephen Crow Subject: Fw: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what tremendous inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight restrictions. Just look at the list of airports, large and small that are effected. He reminds me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to be shutdown while he had a leisurely haircut in a parked A/F One. This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties he causes. Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules". BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!". The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I don't think he's totally deaf. Steve C. ==================================================================== Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa --> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow More damn restrictions! Steve C. ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: JERRYROOKS@aol.com Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003 A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area ==> ATTENTION PILOTS <== FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish 30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30. AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the president's security. The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa International Airport). Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000 feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress. Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic control may authorize transient operations. The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48), Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46), Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4), Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive (FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark (PMP). The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International (TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International (PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted (SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM), Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal (ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and Hernando County (BKV). Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam ( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam ( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ). ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:20 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Was this commander mod every successful? --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 06/27/03 15:55:33 Pacific Daylight Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: > If you want to view the commander please copy and paste the url into your > web browser. > > http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg > Nico, Sir Barry brought this up some time ago and we bantered about it a bit. He'll have the details. As for me, I saw this, or similar conversion in 1979 at the Aerospaciale facility in Toulouse, France. It was being used as a corporate shuttle and I never found out if it was Aerospeciale or a vendor / subcontractor that did the conversion and operated it. (There were lots of one-off aircraft conversions at Toulouse to support the Airbus production, such as the "guppy" DC-7 and others.) I was kind of busy at the time so did not look very closely, but remember seeing lots of exhaust soot on the MLG struts. The core of the jet was not blowing on them, however. I bet it only had about 600 nm range, given the fuel load of a Turbo Commander and the fuel flow of a small turbofan about this size. Great for a shuttle, dismal for the general market. Especially in large countries such as the U.S. and Australia. Wing Commander Gordon