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1. 04:15 AM - Re: props (Harry Merritt)
2. 08:07 AM - 500A Props (Dan Dominguez)
3. 09:57 AM - June 2003 IN FLIGHT USA (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
4. 02:12 PM - Re: Was this commander mod ever successful? (Derek Monk)
5. 10:21 PM - Re: props (Bill Hamilton)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
I Have a Brand new set Hartzell props for a 560E, Never
Installed on a Aircraft. It Is my Understanding talking to
Hartzell that there is no 500Hr Hub.
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Girod
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: props
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
Bill;
I am coming up on my hub (not the prop) 250 hrs. inspection this year.
What is involved in changing hubs and does it apply to the 560E, 3 blade
props? I know Capt. Jimbob, has an STP to change the whole thing out for a
'heavy Hartzell', but will this also change both to a 2000 hr. prop? Where
do I find out the detail and who can do this?
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/29/2003 5:41:51 AM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: props
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton
<fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
>
> All,
> The problems with Hartzell V shank blades and the AD limitations, 1000
hour
> OH etc can be addresses by re machining the V shank hubs ( provided the
> blades are within OH limits) to fit later hubs. This eliminated the
limited
> life and inspections and the hub problems, and gives you a 2000 hour
prop.
> And the later hubs ( I think they are referred to as M hubs, but don't
> quote me) do not have the sting of ADs of the V hubs.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
> PS Fortunately I have four blades almost full section, and two hubs that
> are no where near the minimum limits, thank goodness, the old hubs are
> almost no existent new, and good used about the same.
> Beware some of the "paper STC's" from McCauley, a conversion on later
> C-3120s has been withdrawn for early models, there is some weird
resonance
> interaction, feels like you have lost a few inches off the tip of a blade.
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dan Dominguez" <dan@worldflight2000.com>
Bilbo-
We would be very interested. SN1258 N152K
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| Subject: | June 2003 IN FLIGHT USA |
--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Sir Barry:
Did you get a copy of the June 2003 issue of IN FLIGHT USA (the tabloid)? It
has a pretty good article about Ted Smith and the early development of the
Aero Commander.
If you did not receive a copy, I will mail you one.
Best regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| Subject: | Re: Was this commander mod ever successful? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Derek Monk <britmonk@adelphia.net>
I'm sure that Sir Barry will prepare a detailed history of this
aircraft, so I'll just give you an introduction.
The origin of this mod began in March 1967 when a UK distributor, Miles
Aviation, agreed to certify for Aero Commander the Turbomeca Astazou
XIIM turboprop engines using 680T s/n 1540-6 N6300/G-AWXK.
Turbomeca subsequently did not certify the XIIM and Aero Commander, in
Oct. 1970, sold (traded) the aircraft to Miles in return for work
already done. Miles immediately sold, by prearrangement, the aircraft to
Turbomeca who wanted it as a flying test bed for its new Astafan program
which they wanted to fly at the 1971 Paris Aero Show. Miles had done
some preliminary design work to convince Turbomeca that the 680T would
be viable and the deal was done. It was delivered to Turbomeca Nov. 1970.
Now over to Sir Barry....
Derek Monk
Nico van Niekerk wrote:
>http://www.cybersuperstore.com/images/17.jpg
>
>Thanks
>Nico
>
>
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
Lowell,
My remarks were directed at the standard 500A two blade props, as far as I
know without some research, the "heavy Hartzell" is the only way to go with
the early three blade props.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 02:01 PM 29/06/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod@earthlink.net>
>
>Bill;
> I am coming up on my hub (not the prop) 250 hrs. inspection this
> year.
>What is involved in changing hubs and does it apply to the 560E, 3 blade
>props? I know Capt. Jimbob, has an STP to change the whole thing out for a
>'heavy Hartzell', but will this also change both to a 2000 hr. prop? Where
>do I find out the detail and who can do this?
>Don
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 6/29/2003 5:41:51 AM
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: props
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton
><fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
> >
> > All,
> > The problems with Hartzell V shank blades and the AD limitations, 1000
>hour
> > OH etc can be addresses by re machining the V shank hubs ( provided the
> > blades are within OH limits) to fit later hubs. This eliminated the
>limited
> > life and inspections and the hub problems, and gives you a 2000 hour
>prop.
> > And the later hubs ( I think they are referred to as M hubs, but don't
> > quote me) do not have the sting of ADs of the V hubs.
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> > PS Fortunately I have four blades almost full section, and two hubs that
> > are no where near the minimum limits, thank goodness, the old hubs are
> > almost no existent new, and good used about the same.
> > Beware some of the "paper STC's" from McCauley, a conversion on later
> > C-3120s has been withdrawn for early models, there is some weird
>resonance
> > interaction, feels like you have lost a few inches off the tip of a blade.
> >
> >
>
>
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