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1. 05:45 AM - Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), corr... (Tom Bijou)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), corr... (css nico)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), corr... (Tom Bijou)
4. 11:10 AM - Oshkosh (Bill Williams)
5. 01:07 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Jody & Susan Pillatzki)
6. 01:20 PM - Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), corr... (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
7. 02:39 PM - Re: 680E Runs Down Under (RnJThompson@aol.com)
8. 03:52 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Tylor Hall)
9. 05:05 PM - Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), corr... (css nico)
10. 05:18 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Jody & Susan Pillatzki)
11. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: 680E Runs Down Under (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
12. 05:33 PM - Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), corr... (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
13. 06:37 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Buddy Windham)
14. 07:14 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Tom Fisher)
15. 08:05 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Jody and Susan Pillatzki)
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| Subject: | Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), |
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Bijou" <Tom@bhmassociates.com>
I buy and sell a lot of commanders and I have never seen one that cost more
than $135,000 and that was for an early 900. I also own 96207, which is the
second to last one made and the estimate for it is$20,000, which I will
probably have done next year before I get it painted.
In the several I have had done I have never seen any major problems that
made me think that the aircraft was about to fall out of the sky, it sure
looks to me like this SB was partly make work for the service centers, maybe
that is why it took years to turn into a AD. Also the compliance window is
fairly long ... which you would not see if the wings were about to fall off.
Most of the work is in the pressure vessel so I do not think you should have
any concern about it applying to the 690 a,b,c aircraft. These aircraft
have a totally different design. The A,B,C are only pressurized to the
floor, the D and 695A,B are pressurized to the outer skin. They also have
about 1.0 additional pounds of pressure, which is why the big picture window
went away, and they have very few parts in common with the earlier aircraft.
Tom Bijou
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models
(690D-695A), corr...
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2003 8:54:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> YOURTCFG@aol.com writes:
>
> > couple of thousand $$ or more.
> >
>
> That should be "a couple of HUNDRED THOUSAND $$ or more", sorry. jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), |
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Thanks, Tom. That answers my question about the big picture window.
If some were only pressurized to the floor, does it mean that they have a
pressure vessel inside the airframe? If so, how would one ever find a leak
that's in a hard to reach place?
I put a little time in a 680FP and the pressure would partly dump every
couple of minutes above about 12000', making it so uncomfortable that one
would rather fly it with the pressurization off. The owner said it was the
door seal but they never fixed it.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Bijou" <Tom@bhmassociates.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models
(690D-695A), corr...
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Bijou" <Tom@bhmassociates.com>
>
> I buy and sell a lot of commanders and I have never seen one that cost
more
> than $135,000 and that was for an early 900. I also own 96207, which is
the
> second to last one made and the estimate for it is$20,000, which I will
> probably have done next year before I get it painted.
>
> In the several I have had done I have never seen any major problems that
> made me think that the aircraft was about to fall out of the sky, it sure
> looks to me like this SB was partly make work for the service centers,
maybe
> that is why it took years to turn into a AD. Also the compliance window
is
> fairly long ... which you would not see if the wings were about to fall
off.
>
> Most of the work is in the pressure vessel so I do not think you should
have
> any concern about it applying to the 690 a,b,c aircraft. These aircraft
> have a totally different design. The A,B,C are only pressurized to the
> floor, the D and 695A,B are pressurized to the outer skin. They also have
> about 1.0 additional pounds of pressure, which is why the big picture
window
> went away, and they have very few parts in common with the earlier
aircraft.
>
> Tom Bijou
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models
> (690D-695A), corr...
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 7/13/2003 8:54:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > YOURTCFG@aol.com writes:
> >
> > > couple of thousand $$ or more.
> > >
> >
> > That should be "a couple of HUNDRED THOUSAND $$ or more", sorry. jb
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), |
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Bijou" <Tom@bhmassociates.com>
Nico
The 690 A,B,C have the floor as the bottom of the pressure vessel, the sides
are to the skin. Finding leaks is a bit of a pain and they are easy to
create when interiors are being installed ... also the boots at the rudder
pedals are frequent problem areas on the 690ABC, but on the D and 695 you
have sealing issues around the step so it all about the same. All of them
can be made to pressurize to max with only minor attention.
I fly my 840 to 290 all the time and my 1000 to 350 to top weather and 310
to top the Edwards airspace on my way from Dallas to Monterey CA all the
time. I never have a cabin above 8600 feet in either aircraft, except at FL
350 where the 1000 will creep above 9500 feet.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models
(690D-695A), corr...
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Thanks, Tom. That answers my question about the big picture window.
> If some were only pressurized to the floor, does it mean that they have a
> pressure vessel inside the airframe? If so, how would one ever find a leak
> that's in a hard to reach place?
> I put a little time in a 680FP and the pressure would partly dump every
> couple of minutes above about 12000', making it so uncomfortable that one
> would rather fly it with the pressurization off. The owner said it was the
> door seal but they never fixed it.
>
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Bijou" <Tom@bhmassociates.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models
> (690D-695A), corr...
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Bijou"
<Tom@bhmassociates.com>
> >
> > I buy and sell a lot of commanders and I have never seen one that cost
> more
> > than $135,000 and that was for an early 900. I also own 96207, which is
> the
> > second to last one made and the estimate for it is$20,000, which I will
> > probably have done next year before I get it painted.
> >
> > In the several I have had done I have never seen any major problems that
> > made me think that the aircraft was about to fall out of the sky, it
sure
> > looks to me like this SB was partly make work for the service centers,
> maybe
> > that is why it took years to turn into a AD. Also the compliance window
> is
> > fairly long ... which you would not see if the wings were about to fall
> off.
> >
> > Most of the work is in the pressure vessel so I do not think you should
> have
> > any concern about it applying to the 690 a,b,c aircraft. These aircraft
> > have a totally different design. The A,B,C are only pressurized to the
> > floor, the D and 695A,B are pressurized to the outer skin. They also
have
> > about 1.0 additional pounds of pressure, which is why the big picture
> window
> > went away, and they have very few parts in common with the earlier
> aircraft.
> >
> > Tom Bijou
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models
> > (690D-695A), corr...
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/13/2003 8:54:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > YOURTCFG@aol.com writes:
> > >
> > > > couple of thousand $$ or more.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That should be "a couple of HUNDRED THOUSAND $$ or more", sorry. jb
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Commander Fans:
Who's going to Oshkos this year? Is there a parking area set up for the Twin
Commanders. Has anyone made housing arrangements?
We are planning to bring our restored 560A to Oshkosh. We plan to arrive on
Monday 28 July and depart on Saturday 2 August. We'll have 4 open seats from
Seattle or any other airport along our route.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E.
KAWO Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223
360-435-7343
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki@702com.net>
Bill
I am going to be there with my 520. It was crunks. Haven't heard about
any Commander Parking but I will be there on Sunday afternoon and have an
ice cold beer ready if you want it.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams"
<billw@air-matrix.com>
>
> Commander Fans:
>
> Who's going to Oshkos this year? Is there a parking area set up for the
Twin
> Commanders. Has anyone made housing arrangements?
>
> We are planning to bring our restored 560A to Oshkosh. We plan to arrive
on
> Monday 28 July and depart on Saturday 2 August. We'll have 4 open seats
from
> Seattle or any other airport along our route.
>
> Bill Williams
> AirMatrix
> 17705 49th Place N.E.
> KAWO Hangar D
> Arlington, WA 98223
> 360-435-7343
> billw@air-matrix.com
> www.air-matrix.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), |
corr...
--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Gents,
Concerning the 680F(p), I have just began working on the pressurization
system on N680RR.
Finding leaks in the floor is relatively simple. Take both hoses that go
from the heater box to the cabin loose. Plug one of them and hook your leaf
blower up to the other. Next take the hose loose that is overhead in the baggage
compt. that goes to the over head "eye ball" vents in the top of the cabin and
block it off. Tape off the outflow valve at the front (accessible through
the avonics door on the top of the nose).
Fire up the weed blower and check for leaks on the floor with an old
stethoscope. Obviously the seats and carpets must be removed. We found the worst
leaks around the rudder pedals, the yolk seals (I had to make new ones and get
a
one time field approval), and inside the wing on either side. Yes, the
pressure vessel actually goes out into the wing faring for a short distance.
I feel that the problem of the system releasing pressure from time to time is
due to a door/valve in the temperature dept. When I run the airconditioner
on high, it tends to increase the cabin altitude about 1,000 feet, and the
pressure is more erratic. I just purchased a manometer to build a test rig to
check out the temperature equipped. Leaks around the door tend to be constant,
rather than erratic.
N680RR will now hold an approx. 10,500 cabin at 14,000. If anyone is
interested I will report in a few weeks when time permits further investigation
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| Subject: | Re: 680E Runs Down Under |
--> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com
Hi All,
680E Vh-CAX rran her LH engine for the first time in 10 years.
All is well,no smoke,no oil leaks.
Will run RH as soon as prop gets back from the shop.
3 1/2 years of hard work finally getting there.
Regards,
Richard
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" <tylor@winddancer.aero>
I will be arriving in Oshkosh on Sunday, July 27. Since 6369U is a 500B, it
was built before 1968 and I will be in the Vintage Aircraft Camping area. I
will be coming in from Kansas City area with lots of open seats.
Thank Bill for putting up with us at Arlington this past weekend. We missed
you Moe. Jim Bob went in and out. We stayed at Bill's hangar.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
<jpillatzki@702com.net>
Bill
I am going to be there with my 520. It was crunks. Haven't heard about
any Commander Parking but I will be there on Sunday afternoon and have an
ice cold beer ready if you want it.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams"
<billw@air-matrix.com>
>
> Commander Fans:
>
> Who's going to Oshkos this year? Is there a parking area set up for the
Twin
> Commanders. Has anyone made housing arrangements?
>
> We are planning to bring our restored 560A to Oshkosh. We plan to arrive
on
> Monday 28 July and depart on Saturday 2 August. We'll have 4 open seats
from
> Seattle or any other airport along our route.
>
> Bill Williams
> AirMatrix
> 17705 49th Place N.E.
> KAWO Hangar D
> Arlington, WA 98223
> 360-435-7343
> billw@air-matrix.com
> www.air-matrix.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), |
corr...
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Would something like a sealing compound not assist in seating properly? Or
investment in a pneumatic seal. 10.5 at 14 doesn't sound too great.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models
(690D-695A), corr...
> --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
>
> Gents,
>
> Concerning the 680F(p), I have just began working on the pressurization
> system on N680RR.
>
> Finding leaks in the floor is relatively simple. Take both hoses that go
> from the heater box to the cabin loose. Plug one of them and hook your
leaf
> blower up to the other. Next take the hose loose that is overhead in the
baggage
> compt. that goes to the over head "eye ball" vents in the top of the cabin
and
> block it off. Tape off the outflow valve at the front (accessible through
> the avonics door on the top of the nose).
>
> Fire up the weed blower and check for leaks on the floor with an old
> stethoscope. Obviously the seats and carpets must be removed. We found
the worst
> leaks around the rudder pedals, the yolk seals (I had to make new ones and
get a
> one time field approval), and inside the wing on either side. Yes, the
> pressure vessel actually goes out into the wing faring for a short
distance.
>
> I feel that the problem of the system releasing pressure from time to time
is
> due to a door/valve in the temperature dept. When I run the
airconditioner
> on high, it tends to increase the cabin altitude about 1,000 feet, and the
> pressure is more erratic. I just purchased a manometer to build a test
rig to
> check out the temperature equipped. Leaks around the door tend to be
constant,
> rather than erratic.
>
> N680RR will now hold an approx. 10,500 cabin at 14,000. If anyone is
> interested I will report in a few weeks when time permits further
investigation
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki@702com.net>
Should I be camping in the vintage section since 411VV is a 1952.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor@winddancer.aero>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall" <tylor@winddancer.aero>
>
> I will be arriving in Oshkosh on Sunday, July 27. Since 6369U is a 500B,
it
> was built before 1968 and I will be in the Vintage Aircraft Camping area.
I
> will be coming in from Kansas City area with lots of open seats.
>
> Thank Bill for putting up with us at Arlington this past weekend. We
missed
> you Moe. Jim Bob went in and out. We stayed at Bill's hangar.
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
> <jpillatzki@702com.net>
>
> Bill
> I am going to be there with my 520. It was crunks. Haven't heard about
> any Commander Parking but I will be there on Sunday afternoon and have an
> ice cold beer ready if you want it.
> Jody
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams"
> <billw@air-matrix.com>
> >
> > Commander Fans:
> >
> > Who's going to Oshkos this year? Is there a parking area set up for the
> Twin
> > Commanders. Has anyone made housing arrangements?
> >
> > We are planning to bring our restored 560A to Oshkosh. We plan to arrive
> on
> > Monday 28 July and depart on Saturday 2 August. We'll have 4 open seats
> from
> > Seattle or any other airport along our route.
> >
> > Bill Williams
> > AirMatrix
> > 17705 49th Place N.E.
> > KAWO Hangar D
> > Arlington, WA 98223
> > 360-435-7343
> > billw@air-matrix.com
> > www.air-matrix.com
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 7/14/2003 2:39:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
RnJThompson@aol.com writes:
> 680E Vh-CAX rran her LH engine for the first time in 10 years.
> All is well,no smoke,no oil leaks.
>
GREAT NEWS!! CONGRATULATIONS!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: SB214 - Applies ONLY to 900/1000 models (690D-695A), |
corr...
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 7/14/2003 1:21:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS@aol.com writes:
> If anyone is
> interested
We are interested. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Buddy Windham <bw_cycon@yahoo.com>
Hey Guys.........When you arrive in Osh they will park you in the Classic Area
all the way past the home builts, past chopper town and at the end of the south
runway. There are always at least a couple of commander each year. I will be
there again arriving on Sunday also and then departing the end of the first
day of the show. Hope to visit with each of you guys that make it.
Jody & Susan Pillatzki <jpillatzki@702com.net> wrote:--> Commander-List message
posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
Should I be camping in the vintage section since 411VV is a 1952.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall"
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall"
>
> I will be arriving in Oshkosh on Sunday, July 27. Since 6369U is a 500B,
it
> was built before 1968 and I will be in the Vintage Aircraft Camping area.
I
> will be coming in from Kansas City area with lots of open seats.
>
> Thank Bill for putting up with us at Arlington this past weekend. We
missed
> you Moe. Jim Bob went in and out. We stayed at Bill's hangar.
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
>
>
> Bill
> I am going to be there with my 520. It was crunks. Haven't heard about
> any Commander Parking but I will be there on Sunday afternoon and have an
> ice cold beer ready if you want it.
> Jody
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Williams"
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams"
>
> >
> > Commander Fans:
> >
> > Who's going to Oshkos this year? Is there a parking area set up for the
> Twin
> > Commanders. Has anyone made housing arrangements?
> >
> > We are planning to bring our restored 560A to Oshkosh. We plan to arrive
> on
> > Monday 28 July and depart on Saturday 2 August. We'll have 4 open seats
> from
> > Seattle or any other airport along our route.
> >
> > Bill Williams
> > AirMatrix
> > 17705 49th Place N.E.
> > KAWO Hangar D
> > Arlington, WA 98223
> > 360-435-7343
> > billw@air-matrix.com
> > www.air-matrix.com
> >
> >
>
>
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
---------------------------------
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
No, the stone age section...
Tom F. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki@702com.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
<jpillatzki@702com.net>
>
> Should I be camping in the vintage section since 411VV is a 1952.
> Jody
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor@winddancer.aero>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall"
<tylor@winddancer.aero>
> >
> > I will be arriving in Oshkosh on Sunday, July 27. Since 6369U is a
500B,
> it
> > was built before 1968 and I will be in the Vintage Aircraft Camping
area.
> I
> > will be coming in from Kansas City area with lots of open seats.
> >
> > Thank Bill for putting up with us at Arlington this past weekend. We
> missed
> > you Moe. Jim Bob went in and out. We stayed at Bill's hangar.
> > Regards,
> > Tylor Hall
> > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> > 970-731-2127
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
> > <jpillatzki@702com.net>
> >
> > Bill
> > I am going to be there with my 520. It was crunks. Haven't heard
about
> > any Commander Parking but I will be there on Sunday afternoon and have
an
> > ice cold beer ready if you want it.
> > Jody
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams"
> > <billw@air-matrix.com>
> > >
> > > Commander Fans:
> > >
> > > Who's going to Oshkos this year? Is there a parking area set up for
the
> > Twin
> > > Commanders. Has anyone made housing arrangements?
> > >
> > > We are planning to bring our restored 560A to Oshkosh. We plan to
arrive
> > on
> > > Monday 28 July and depart on Saturday 2 August. We'll have 4 open
seats
> > from
> > > Seattle or any other airport along our route.
> > >
> > > Bill Williams
> > > AirMatrix
> > > 17705 49th Place N.E.
> > > KAWO Hangar D
> > > Arlington, WA 98223
> > > 360-435-7343
> > > billw@air-matrix.com
> > > www.air-matrix.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki@702com.net>
They will let me park in the regular camping area right. I want to camp with
my plane. I don't remember there being showers on that end and that is a
long ways to carry beer and ice from the piggly wiggly.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> No, the stone age section...
> Tom F. :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki@702com.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Oshkosh
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
> <jpillatzki@702com.net>
> >
> > Should I be camping in the vintage section since 411VV is a 1952.
> > Jody
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor@winddancer.aero>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tylor Hall"
> <tylor@winddancer.aero>
> > >
> > > I will be arriving in Oshkosh on Sunday, July 27. Since 6369U is a
> 500B,
> > it
> > > was built before 1968 and I will be in the Vintage Aircraft Camping
> area.
> > I
> > > will be coming in from Kansas City area with lots of open seats.
> > >
> > > Thank Bill for putting up with us at Arlington this past weekend. We
> > missed
> > > you Moe. Jim Bob went in and out. We stayed at Bill's hangar.
> > > Regards,
> > > Tylor Hall
> > > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> > > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> > > 970-731-2127
> > >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki"
> > > <jpillatzki@702com.net>
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > I am going to be there with my 520. It was crunks. Haven't heard
> about
> > > any Commander Parking but I will be there on Sunday afternoon and have
> an
> > > ice cold beer ready if you want it.
> > > Jody
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Oshkosh
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Williams"
> > > <billw@air-matrix.com>
> > > >
> > > > Commander Fans:
> > > >
> > > > Who's going to Oshkos this year? Is there a parking area set up for
> the
> > > Twin
> > > > Commanders. Has anyone made housing arrangements?
> > > >
> > > > We are planning to bring our restored 560A to Oshkosh. We plan to
> arrive
> > > on
> > > > Monday 28 July and depart on Saturday 2 August. We'll have 4 open
> seats
> > > from
> > > > Seattle or any other airport along our route.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Williams
> > > > AirMatrix
> > > > 17705 49th Place N.E.
> > > > KAWO Hangar D
> > > > Arlington, WA 98223
> > > > 360-435-7343
> > > > billw@air-matrix.com
> > > > www.air-matrix.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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