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1. 12:26 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Bill Bow)
2. 12:39 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Jim Addington)
3. 12:43 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Bill Bow)
4. 01:15 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Jim Addington)
5. 03:20 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 05:29 PM - clevelands (Phil Stubbs)
7. 08:57 PM - Re: clevelands (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Accumulator |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage
compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid four
> times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the
approved
> list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then we
> thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we
replaced
> all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the
> accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different
> system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine
with
> the old type.
>
> Jim Addington (500A)
> N444BD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG@aol.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> dongirod@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak
>
> HI DON.
>
> I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can
> find
> one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator
and
> it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow accumulators
> for
> extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a
hard
> line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant "bang"
> of
> the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of the
> end
> of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Hydraulic Accumulator |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
The one I had to replace was the one in the left wheelwell.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage
compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid four
> times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the
approved
> list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then we
> thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we
replaced
> all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the
> accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different
> system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine
with
> the old type.
>
> Jim Addington (500A)
> N444BD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG@aol.com
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> dongirod@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak
>
> HI DON.
>
> I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can
> find
> one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator
and
> it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow accumulators
> for
> extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a
hard
> line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant "bang"
> of
> the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of the
> end
> of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Accumulator |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I've seen it. What is supposed to be the charge of that one?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> The one I had to replace was the one in the left wheelwell.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage
> compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle?
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> <jtaddington@charter.net>
> >
> > I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid
four
> > times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the
> approved
> > list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then
we
> > thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we
> replaced
> > all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the
> > accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different
> > system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine
> with
> > the old type.
> >
> > Jim Addington (500A)
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > YOURTCFG@aol.com
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
> >
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > dongirod@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak
> >
> > HI DON.
> >
> > I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can
> > find
> > one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator
> and
> > it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow
accumulators
> > for
> > extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a
> hard
> > line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant
"bang"
> > of
> > the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of
the
> > end
> > of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Hydraulic Accumulator |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I looked in the book to make sure, it should be charged to 600 psi of dry
air or nitrogen. There is not a gage you can check which I don't understand
why not, so to get a true reading is hard. The turbine commanders had one
and I am looking it to putting in my plane. This is an important item
because it is the damper for the system and it taxies badly when the
pressure is down. I bought a nitrogen regulator and put it in the plane
because I have needed to service it when they had the bottle but no
regulator that would fit my fittings. I did not talk about it when we talked
with Al but you should get a copy of the service manual and the parts manual
and put in the plane so if something happened at a place where no one is
familiar with Commanders they have something to go by. It has saved me some
headaches even on my own field when the regular person I use was not here.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I've seen it. What is supposed to be the charge of that one?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> The one I had to replace was the one in the left wheelwell.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage
> compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle?
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
> <jtaddington@charter.net>
> >
> > I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid
four
> > times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the
> approved
> > list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then
we
> > thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we
> replaced
> > all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the
> > accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different
> > system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine
> with
> > the old type.
> >
> > Jim Addington (500A)
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > YOURTCFG@aol.com
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator
> >
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > dongirod@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak
> >
> > HI DON.
> >
> > I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can
> > find
> > one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator
> and
> > it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow
accumulators
> > for
> > extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a
> hard
> > line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant
"bang"
> > of
> > the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of
the
> > end
> > of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Accumulator |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 7/18/2003 12:27:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74@earthlink.net writes:
> Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage
> compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle
Nope, that is the gear blowdown bottle. The accumulator is in the LH gear
well, on the right side. Looks like a cylinder, about 3" in diameter. jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
Does anyone have a Cleveland conversion kit #199-88 (single caliper) or
know a reasonably priced source for this?
Phil
Phil Stubbs
br549phil@mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:29:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
br549phil@mindspring.com writes:
> Does anyone have a Cleveland conversion kit #199-88 (single caliper) or
> know a reasonably priced source for this?
> Phil
Bill Williams, Air Matrix just ordered a set for their 560A. Dont knw where
he but it is 4 - 6 weeks. jb
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