---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/18/03: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Bill Bow) 2. 12:39 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Jim Addington) 3. 12:43 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Bill Bow) 4. 01:15 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (Jim Addington) 5. 03:20 PM - Re: Hydraulic Accumulator (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 6. 05:29 PM - clevelands (Phil Stubbs) 7. 08:57 PM - Re: clevelands (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:54 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle? bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid four > times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the approved > list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then we > thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we replaced > all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the > accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different > system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine with > the old type. > > Jim Addington (500A) > N444BD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > dongirod@earthlink.net writes: > > > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak > > HI DON. > > I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can > find > one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator and > it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow accumulators > for > extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a hard > line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant "bang" > of > the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of the > end > of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:00 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" The one I had to replace was the one in the left wheelwell. Jim N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle? bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid four > times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the approved > list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then we > thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we replaced > all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the > accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different > system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine with > the old type. > > Jim Addington (500A) > N444BD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > dongirod@earthlink.net writes: > > > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak > > HI DON. > > I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can > find > one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator and > it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow accumulators > for > extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a hard > line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant "bang" > of > the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of the > end > of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:34 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" I've seen it. What is supposed to be the charge of that one? bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > The one I had to replace was the one in the left wheelwell. > > Jim > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" > > Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage > compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle? > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Addington" > To: > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid four > > times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the > approved > > list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then we > > thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we > replaced > > all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the > > accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different > > system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine > with > > the old type. > > > > Jim Addington (500A) > > N444BD > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > > YOURTCFG@aol.com > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > dongirod@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak > > > > HI DON. > > > > I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can > > find > > one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator > and > > it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow accumulators > > for > > extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a > hard > > line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant "bang" > > of > > the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of the > > end > > of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:37 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" I looked in the book to make sure, it should be charged to 600 psi of dry air or nitrogen. There is not a gage you can check which I don't understand why not, so to get a true reading is hard. The turbine commanders had one and I am looking it to putting in my plane. This is an important item because it is the damper for the system and it taxies badly when the pressure is down. I bought a nitrogen regulator and put it in the plane because I have needed to service it when they had the bottle but no regulator that would fit my fittings. I did not talk about it when we talked with Al but you should get a copy of the service manual and the parts manual and put in the plane so if something happened at a place where no one is familiar with Commanders they have something to go by. It has saved me some headaches even on my own field when the regular person I use was not here. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" I've seen it. What is supposed to be the charge of that one? bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > The one I had to replace was the one in the left wheelwell. > > Jim > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" > > Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage > compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle? > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Addington" > To: > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > I don't know if the system is the same but I lost all hydraulic fluid four > > times before we finally discovered what it was. that is not on the > approved > > list of fun things to do. We thought it was a line the first time, then we > > thought we had overheated the pumps and had them resealed, then we > replaced > > all the lines in and out of the pumps, then finally settled on the > > accumulator and that stoped the fluid loss. I think there is a different > > system that will replace the old style but we had already replaced mine > with > > the old type. > > > > Jim Addington (500A) > > N444BD > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > > YOURTCFG@aol.com > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 7/17/2003 12:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > dongirod@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > My 560E has a hydraulic accumulator diaphragm leak > > > > HI DON. > > > > I would recommend fixing the diaphragm (assuming you can > > find > > one) It will cause the unloading valve to do the work of the accumulator > and > > it will be the next to go. I have flow Commanders with blow accumulators > > for > > extended time, not knowing any better. The airplane eventually broke a > hard > > line in the belly of the airplane that I attributed to the constant "bang" > > of > > the unloading valve. It caused the brake system to fail, and I ran of the > > end > > of the runway (no damage) "You can pay me now, or pay me latter" jb > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:40 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic Accumulator --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 7/18/2003 12:27:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, bowing74@earthlink.net writes: > Are we talking about the accumulator on the back wall of the baggage > compartment that is about the size of a 20 oz. Pepsi bottle Nope, that is the gear blowdown bottle. The accumulator is in the LH gear well, on the right side. Looks like a cylinder, about 3" in diameter. jb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:16 PM PST US From: "Phil Stubbs" Subject: Commander-List: clevelands --> Commander-List message posted by: "Phil Stubbs" Does anyone have a Cleveland conversion kit #199-88 (single caliper) or know a reasonably priced source for this? Phil Phil Stubbs br549phil@mindspring.com Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:31 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: clevelands --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 7/18/2003 5:29:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, br549phil@mindspring.com writes: > Does anyone have a Cleveland conversion kit #199-88 (single caliper) or > know a reasonably priced source for this? > Phil Bill Williams, Air Matrix just ordered a set for their 560A. Dont knw where he but it is 4 - 6 weeks. jb