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1. 06:57 AM - Re: URGENT...part needed. (Ricardo A. Otaola)
2. 08:22 AM - Re: URGENT...part needed. (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
3. 01:43 PM - Vickers AA13010 on e bay. (Kerry Johnson)
4. 03:30 PM - 840 vs. Cessna Conquest II (w/ Dash-10 conversions) (Patrick Nickles)
5. 04:57 PM - Re: 840 vs. Cessna Conquest II (w/ Dash-10 conversions) (Tom Bijou)
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| Subject: | Re: URGENT...part needed. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
Harry:
I am waiting for you regarding the RG-9790-2 fuel electric pump and valve
for the AC-680F. Any news??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: URGENT...part needed.
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Harry Merritt"
<avtec2@bellsouth.net>
>
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ricardo A. Otaola
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: URGENT...part needed.
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola"
<otayca@telcel.net.ve>
>
> I have tried severla times to call you but I can not get through. Is
that
> the correct number??
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: URGENT...part needed.
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Harry Merritt"
> <avtec2@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > i Have a Servicable Enging and stand by Pump
> > Harry
> > 321 256-3141
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ricardo A. Otaola
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: URGENT...part needed.
> >
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola"
> <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
> >
> > Hi there:
> >
> > On the same token, on my 680F I need the fuel pump part #
RG-167857.
> > Randy, what are you lookin for. I will try and find it down here.
> >
> > Barry, I ran into N9382R downhere in Venezuela. Any news??
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Randy Dettmer" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: URGENT...part needed.
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Randy Dettmer
> > <rcdettmer@charter.net>
> > >
> > > Trying to get my 680F out of annual this week for a scheduled trip
> Friday.
> > > Morris tells me that I need a new structural channel on top of the
> Left
> > > Engine nacelle - Part #5260020-207, Left hand outboard channel,
for
> > > airplanes serial numbers 1031 and up ONLY. Parts Manual Vol 2
Chapter
> 10,
> > > page 31, item 105.
> > >
> > > Can anybody help...ASAP..??
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Randy Dettmer
> > > 680F/N6253X
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: URGENT...part needed. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 7/21/2003 6:57:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
otayca@telcel.net.ve writes:
> I am waiting for you regarding the RG-9790-2 fuel electric pump and valve
> for the AC-680F. Any news??
>
Contact Commander Aero 937-885-5580, ask for Gary or Jack Chappell
909-371-7513. jb
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| Subject: | Vickers AA13010 on e bay. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry@kvelectric.com>
A few posts back someone mentioned how hard it would be to get a replacement
Vickers something or other. Sorry I didn't catch the who story. Anyway,
there is a Vickers AA13010 for sale on e bay right now and so far no one has
bid on it. It's in e bay Motors, Parts & Accessories - Aviation - Parts.
Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=26439
&item=2424678161
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| Subject: | 840 vs. Cessna Conquest II (w/ Dash-10 conversions) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Patrick Nickles" <aerocommander@nickles.cc>
I've received a lot of good feedback but still have a few questions.
Does anyone have experience flying both an 840 and a Conquest? Can anyone
give me a firsthand opinion of which one they'd prefer OWN (financial) and
fly (safety)? (I realize the opinions I'm going to get might be biased
coming from the TCFG but I want to have some "ammo" to discuss the aircraft
w/ my partners. Please try to be objective.)
Specific questions:
#1 - Does Twin Commander Corp. have a tendency to price-gouge when it comes
to spare parts? We've heard grumbling from a few current owners. (I.e.
"They seem to work to make up AD's just to force us to spend money on the
plane.")
#2 - Spare parts support? I'm assuming the Conquest would have a big
advantage here.? I know piston owners are frequently scrambling, but what
about the turboprops? Same problem? (We want to buy a plane I can expect
99% utilization out of. I.e. When something breaks, we want to be able to
call the factory, order a spare and have it sent overnight so we can get
back in the air. Is this too much to ask?)
#3 - Maintenance support? We happen to live in Oklahoma City so there's no
better place to base a TC, but what happens when you're "out in the field".
Is there ample knowledge of the Twin Commander to have problems worked on
competently?
My preference is still leaning toward the TwinCommander but I am concerned
about whether or not the factory is going to be around to support the
product line 2-3 years from now. (I'm currently flying a single-engine
Commander (factory now bankrupt), so I learned this lesson the hard way.)
;-)
Thanks for any further input ---
Pat Nickles
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| Subject: | 840 vs. Cessna Conquest II (w/ Dash-10 conversions) |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Bijou" <tom@bhmassociates.com>
Patrick
I am an active dealer in the owner flown market, dealing in King Airs
,commanders, conquests, TBMs, and citations and feel qualified to answer
your question as I gamble my own money buying inventory for resale.
I believe Twin Commanders have the BEST service and support network of the
turbo prop brands, and that includes the King Air. When I pull into a Twin
Commander service center I get service, support and my aircraft fixed ...
are parts expensive... sure but that has more to do with it being an
aircraft than a commander, some king air parts are damn expensive and unless
for a current production 200 or 350 hard to get.
You talk about you commander single being a orphan without support, well I
think the conquest is about the same. When I get a Citation serviced a
great service center network is available ... but for the conquest the
service is down the street, Cessna does not work on them and you some times
get the feeling that they would like to forget they ever made them.
My advice may be biased, I have three commanders in inventory and one
brokered listing along with a Citation 1SP, (www.bhmassociates.com) so my
advice may be slanted by the investment I have ... but I selected this
investment mix because it represents the best value to the buyer and is more
likely to result in satisfied customers who will come back for a future
aircraft upgrade.
BTW to one of your earlier posts, high time commanders can be safe reliable
aircraft, but do not get confused, a low time aircraft is almost always a
better investment when it comes time to sell. I know of a 8000 hour 690
with good engine times that you could buy for $200,000 ... but it has been
for sale while $900,000 - $1,700,000 commanders have come on the market and
sold. It may not make perfect sense, but it is the way the market works.
Tom Bijou
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Patrick
Nickles
Subject: Commander-List: 840 vs. Cessna Conquest II (w/ Dash-10
conversions)
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Patrick Nickles"
<aerocommander@nickles.cc>
I've received a lot of good feedback but still have a few questions.
Does anyone have experience flying both an 840 and a Conquest? Can anyone
give me a firsthand opinion of which one they'd prefer OWN (financial) and
fly (safety)? (I realize the opinions I'm going to get might be biased
coming from the TCFG but I want to have some "ammo" to discuss the aircraft
w/ my partners. Please try to be objective.)
Specific questions:
#1 - Does Twin Commander Corp. have a tendency to price-gouge when it comes
to spare parts? We've heard grumbling from a few current owners. (I.e.
"They seem to work to make up AD's just to force us to spend money on the
plane.")
#2 - Spare parts support? I'm assuming the Conquest would have a big
advantage here.? I know piston owners are frequently scrambling, but what
about the turboprops? Same problem? (We want to buy a plane I can expect
99% utilization out of. I.e. When something breaks, we want to be able to
call the factory, order a spare and have it sent overnight so we can get
back in the air. Is this too much to ask?)
#3 - Maintenance support? We happen to live in Oklahoma City so there's no
better place to base a TC, but what happens when you're "out in the field".
Is there ample knowledge of the Twin Commander to have problems worked on
competently?
My preference is still leaning toward the TwinCommander but I am concerned
about whether or not the factory is going to be around to support the
product line 2-3 years from now. (I'm currently flying a single-engine
Commander (factory now bankrupt), so I learned this lesson the hard way.)
;-)
Thanks for any further input ---
Pat Nickles
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