---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/04/03: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:40 AM - Re: Fuel Pumps (W J R HAMILTON) 2. 06:42 AM - Re: Congratulations TCFG! (Chris Schuermann) 3. 08:00 AM - Re: Congratulations TCFG! (Buddy Windham) 4. 05:02 PM - 560 BRAKES (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:35 AM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Bill, Thanks for the tip, I usually use Thunder Aviation in Sun Valley, California, but in part I am taking their advice, which is to go to modern pumps. I always carry a spare pump in the T-28, but I can still buy those new old stock, Thunder just check them over, new seals etc, and give me an 8130.3. For my 500A, I need a spare, everywhere is a long way from anywhere in Australia, and the quotes for a spare, OHC, and Thunder's advice, have pointed me in this direction. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 23:17 3/09/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" > >This is probably no help, but http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com/ will >overhaul it. They have done 2 of mine and they work. > >Having said that you are going the RIGHT WAY with externally mounted pumps. >If you get a bad overhaul you don't need to de-fuel the tanks. There are >places on this airplane where there was "too much colledge and not enough >high school" > >bilbo >----- Original Message ----- >From: "W J R HAMILTON" >To: >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > > > > All, > > Thank you all for the replies, it does look like the Lycoming aircraft are > > well covered, and I will contact Central Air. > > I must re-look at the FAA STC database, I have missed that one. > > > > However, the problem remains for the very few aircraft like the 500A with > > IO-470 TCM engines, so I am still searching for specifications for the >Adel > > 55895-1 pump, AC P/N 626062-3-A6, which is only on the 500A. > > > > Can anyone tell me the fate of Adel, the only hits on various search > > engines are all Adel-Wiggins, and we all know and love "Adel Clamps", >where > > would we be without them. > > > > Regards, > > Bill Hamilton. > > > > > > At 11:15 3/09/03 -0300, you wrote: > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jimmy Rodriguez" > > > > > > >Bill, > > > > > >I've heard that John Towner at Central Air might have done this already. >I > > >would also like to know for the future. Contact him at > > >johntowner@centralairsouthwest.com > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Jimmy Rodriguez > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R > > >HAMILTON > > >To: commander-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps > > > > > > > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > > > > > > > >All, > > >It's become rather clear to me that the electric fuel pumps in early > > >Commanders are getting close to extinction, the quality of overhauls is >not > > >improving, the parts are becoming harder and harder to find. Had a look >for > > >an armature recently?? > > > > > >For my 500A, I am considering a mod to substitute more modern and easily > > >available pumps, external to the tanks, as on many aircraft. > > > > > >Here in Australia we have what we call a Reg.35 or CAR 35 ( Civil >Aviation > > >Regulation) Engineer, a bit like a Part 183 DER, but not quite, and a > > >system equivalent to a field approval, where the design for a >modification > > >is both developed and certified by the "CAR 35" Engineer. This is the >route > > >I will go, and given the basic recognition FAA accords our local >standards, > > >this will be a good starting point for anybody wanting to do similar mod. > > >to a US registered aircraft. > > > > > >Once the mod package is done, I will be quite happy to make the details > > >available to anybody considering the same modification. > > > > > >I have not noticed any STC's on the list, does anybody know of any >existing > > >similar mods., to save me reinventing the wheel ?? > > > > > >Does anybody out there have the performance specifications for the >various > > >Adel pumps used ?? This is the starting point. > > > > > >For the 500A the Aero Commander Part No. is # 626062-3-A6, the Adel Part > > >No. is #55895-1 > > > > > >Regards, > > >Bill hamilton. > > > > > > > > > COMMUNICATIONS > > >CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note. > > >The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton, > > >Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is: > > > > > > and > > > all remain valid. > > >All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about > > >three months, the date will be notified. > > > > > > > > > > > > COMMUNICATIONS > > CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note. > > The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton, > > Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is: > > > > and > > all remain valid. > > All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about > > three months, the date will be notified. > > > > > > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note. The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton, Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is: and all remain valid. All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about three months, the date will be notified. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:03 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Congratulations TCFG! --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann css nico wrote: > Thanks for the note, Chris. Nice to hear from you again. > I hope your business is getting some decent traction. Thanks Nico! Business is finally starting to pick back up a bit. There was so much red ink over the last two years the balance sheet looked like a prop from the "Texas chainsaw massacre"! Sadly, aviation was one of the first things impacted. I'm finally back in the air and have really been enjoying my Aztruck. What a sweet little twin to fly on a tight budget. > You may or may not know that I owned a straight > 500 for a long time and never even bothered to look at the trusses. I actually did not know that. I definitly didn't intend to frighten anyone, but I do feel strongly that this is an issue to be dealt with proactivly rather than waiting for the eventual trauma to occur. An inspection of this part should fall under normal inspection proceedures except that the critical area is hidden and a lot of folks just don't know to look there. Right now, it's a simple issue of identifying a damaged part and repairing or replacing as required. If someone does have an inflight failure, it could end up being a blemish on the perception of Commanders and we don't need another one of those! We all know that the FAA would issue some draconian AD requiring a total rebuild of the wing structure or something like that. There's also a side brace in the nacelle that attaches to the wing spar at the extreme forward/outboard edge that seems to need inspection as well. The attach point in my 520 was 90% rotted through and probably would have failed if I'd have made a crossed-up landing. Fortunatly, the FAA is looking to "type clubs" for assistance in assuring that all the old airplanes are being maintained in a safe condition. The TCFG is just going to become more and more valuable in protecting the value of these airplanes and the safety of the owners as time goes on. > Stay healthy and write more often! Thanks again Nico. I'll endevor to do both! Take care. Chris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:32 AM PST US From: Buddy Windham Subject: Re: Commander-List: Congratulations TCFG! --> Commander-List message posted by: Buddy Windham Hey guys, this problem existed on my 560e. I got it fixed with a 8110 from Fred Gates out of Oklahoma, basically by using doubler plates after removing all corrision and an eddie current test. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH OUR FLEET. THE CORRISON SEEM BY THE EYE IS LESS THAN 50% OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY PRESENT. Chris Schuermann wrote:--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann css nico wrote: > Thanks for the note, Chris. Nice to hear from you again. > I hope your business is getting some decent traction. Thanks Nico! Business is finally starting to pick back up a bit. There was so much red ink over the last two years the balance sheet looked like a prop from the "Texas chainsaw massacre"! Sadly, aviation was one of the first things impacted. I'm finally back in the air and have really been enjoying my Aztruck. What a sweet little twin to fly on a tight budget. > You may or may not know that I owned a straight > 500 for a long time and never even bothered to look at the trusses. I actually did not know that. I definitly didn't intend to frighten anyone, but I do feel strongly that this is an issue to be dealt with proactivly rather than waiting for the eventual trauma to occur. An inspection of this part should fall under normal inspection proceedures except that the critical area is hidden and a lot of folks just don't know to look there. Right now, it's a simple issue of identifying a damaged part and repairing or replacing as required. If someone does have an inflight failure, it could end up being a blemish on the perception of Commanders and we don't need another one of those! We all know that the FAA would issue some draconian AD requiring a total rebuild of the wing structure or something like that. There's also a side brace in the nacelle that attaches to the wing spar at the extreme forward/outboard edge that seems to need inspection as well. The attach point in my 520 was 90% rotted through and probably would have failed if I'd have made a crossed-up landing. Fortunatly, the FAA is looking to "type clubs" for assistance in assuring that all the old airplanes are being maintained in a safe condition. The TCFG is just going to become more and more valuable in protecting the value of these airplanes and the safety of the owners as time goes on. > Stay healthy and write more often! Thanks again Nico. I'll endevor to do both! Take care. Chris Buddy Windham, President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services 0-608 Quincy Street S.W. Grandville, Michigan 49418 616 896-6488 office 616 896-6490 fax ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:10 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 560 BRAKES --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com HI KIDS.. I have been contacted by a Service Center who is trying to install a set of Cleveland's on a straight 560 (no STC) I know we have addressed this before, does anybody have the name of a 560 owner who has done this who might share their 337 form?? Thanks. jb