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1. 10:54 AM - ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
2. 11:57 AM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Bruce Campbell)
3. 12:14 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Jody and Susan Pillatzki)
4. 01:01 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Buddy Windham)
5. 02:38 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Chris Schuermann)
6. 03:06 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Buddy Windham)
7. 03:28 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Chris Schuermann)
8. 03:51 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Buddy Windham)
9. 05:06 PM - Re: Avionics (Chris Schuermann)
10. 05:23 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Tom Fisher)
11. 05:26 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Tom Fisher)
12. 06:04 PM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (css nico)
13. 10:16 PM - Checklists anyone? (Alan Kucheck)
14. 11:05 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Tom Fisher)
15. 11:22 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (css nico)
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| Subject: | ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS.
Pretty quite. I flew triple 2 to Mccminville Oregon (home of
the Spruce Goose) yesterday to take another look at a derelict 500 parked
there. Had a great trip. Wonderful weather the last couple of days. Flew up
the gorge and around Moultnoma falls. Had my neighbors along.
Sue has retired from her job (Yea!) Friday was her last day. We don't
know what the future holds for us, but we trust God. We will be through FL
next week briefly as we board a cruse ship for a week. The president of the
Navion Society and his wife will be going as well as another airport buddy. It
should really be fun.
Anybody else flying there Commander?? jb
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch@intelligentflight.com>
I have a friend that says every day your retired is a good day!
Bruce Campbell
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From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite. I flew triple 2 to Mccminville Oregon (home
of
> the Spruce Goose) yesterday to take another look at a derelict 500 parked
> there. Had a great trip. Wonderful weather the last couple of days.
Flew up
> the gorge and around Moultnoma falls. Had my neighbors along.
> Sue has retired from her job (Yea!) Friday was her last day. We
don't
> know what the future holds for us, but we trust God. We will be through
FL
> next week briefly as we board a cruse ship for a week. The president of
the
> Navion Society and his wife will be going as well as another airport
buddy. It
> should really be fun.
> Anybody else flying there Commander?? jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki@702com.net>
Been flying 411VV around the dakota's pheasant hunting. Probably 6-7 hours
this last week.
Jody
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From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite. I flew triple 2 to Mccminville Oregon (home
of
> the Spruce Goose) yesterday to take another look at a derelict 500 parked
> there. Had a great trip. Wonderful weather the last couple of days.
Flew up
> the gorge and around Moultnoma falls. Had my neighbors along.
> Sue has retired from her job (Yea!) Friday was her last day. We
don't
> know what the future holds for us, but we trust God. We will be through
FL
> next week briefly as we board a cruse ship for a week. The president of
the
> Navion Society and his wife will be going as well as another airport
buddy. It
> should really be fun.
> Anybody else flying there Commander?? jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Buddy Windham <bw_cycon@yahoo.com>
Hey, guys I flew my 560e from grand rapids michigan to mt. pleasant, texas (2.08
a gallon) to san antonio, stinson field, to david wayne hooks in houston, to
new iberia, la to look at a 206 jet ranger to jonesboun arkansas back home.
All in 3 days....The new cnx80 gps and stec 65 autopilot worked great. HAVE FUN
GUYS.
Jody and Susan Pillatzki <jpillatzki@702com.net> wrote:--> Commander-List message
posted by: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki"
Been flying 411VV around the dakota's pheasant hunting. Probably 6-7 hours
this last week.
Jody
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From:
Subject: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite. I flew triple 2 to Mccminville Oregon (home
of
> the Spruce Goose) yesterday to take another look at a derelict 500 parked
> there. Had a great trip. Wonderful weather the last couple of days.
Flew up
> the gorge and around Moultnoma falls. Had my neighbors along.
> Sue has retired from her job (Yea!) Friday was her last day. We
don't
> know what the future holds for us, but we trust God. We will be through
FL
> next week briefly as we board a cruse ship for a week. The president of
the
> Navion Society and his wife will be going as well as another airport
buddy. It
> should really be fun.
> Anybody else flying there Commander?? jb
>
>
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Buddy Windham wrote:
> The new cnx80 gps and stec 65 autopilot worked great.
You got a CNX80 eh Buddy? I was giving serious consideration to one of
those for my bird. Looks like quite a cool toy - how do you like it? I
finally decided to just put a GNS430 in for now since it's unlikely that
we'll get a WAAS approach into my home airport anytime soon and I have
grander plans for the future. I'm of the opinion that there will be
several very wild new products certified and on the market in the near
future now that Garmin and UPSAT have merged capabilities. I'm hoping
that the new Garmin 1000 "panel" may turn out to be pretty reasonably
priced (compared to existing options for a total panel replacement
anyway). Given the number of GA mfgrs that seem to have signed up to
offer it (such as a Cessna 182), I think it may not be much more than a
full panel of traditional instruments/radios.
Hey, does anyone around here currently have any weather uplink/downlink
stuff in their airplane? I'm definitly going to purchase _something_ to
get weather onboard in the near future, but I'm still carefully
evaluating the various technologies and options. I think I've
researched all of the potentials and have some opinions, but would
appreciate any feedback from someone who actually has used a system for
a while in the "real world".
Anybody have any firsthand experience with the WXWORX system?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Buddy Windham <bw_cycon@yahoo.com>
Hey Chis, good to hear from you. The CNX is a sweet system not that I'm getting
use to it. It is definately a hard IRF box with Airways, sids and stars, etc.
It is more like a FMS system the bid boys have than anything to date under
100K. Coupled with the MX20 and STEC 65 this ship will do a lot more than my
little mind can grasp. As far as weather on board I'm playing around with a serial
link on my sat phone coupled to a small lap top. I now can get live internet
feeds. The problem is of course the speed in which the maps are downloaded
on my laptop. Will let you know how it goes.
Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> wrote:--> Commander-List message posted by:
Chris Schuermann
Buddy Windham wrote:
> The new cnx80 gps and stec 65 autopilot worked great.
You got a CNX80 eh Buddy? I was giving serious consideration to one of
those for my bird. Looks like quite a cool toy - how do you like it? I
finally decided to just put a GNS430 in for now since it's unlikely that
we'll get a WAAS approach into my home airport anytime soon and I have
grander plans for the future. I'm of the opinion that there will be
several very wild new products certified and on the market in the near
future now that Garmin and UPSAT have merged capabilities. I'm hoping
that the new Garmin 1000 "panel" may turn out to be pretty reasonably
priced (compared to existing options for a total panel replacement
anyway). Given the number of GA mfgrs that seem to have signed up to
offer it (such as a Cessna 182), I think it may not be much more than a
full panel of traditional instruments/radios.
Hey, does anyone around here currently have any weather uplink/downlink
stuff in their airplane? I'm definitly going to purchase _something_ to
get weather onboard in the near future, but I'm still carefully
evaluating the various technologies and options. I think I've
researched all of the potentials and have some opinions, but would
appreciate any feedback from someone who actually has used a system for
a while in the "real world".
Anybody have any firsthand experience with the WXWORX system?
Chris
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Buddy Windham wrote:
> I'm playing around with a serial link on my sat phone coupled to a small lap
top.
Thanks for the update Buddy!
Yea, there are a couple of "portable" solutions available which are
somewhat interesting, but frankly, I have enough cables to get tangled
up in already :-) (not to mention that I loath the idea of trusting a
Windows-based system to keep me alive when I need it most). Sadly,
there are a number of start-up companies which have some pretty good
concept stuff out there. Each claims to have an "aviation certified"
product available "real soon". I'm not keen on spending many thousands
of dollars on a device which requires a monthly subscription to work if
I don't have faith that they'll be around to pipe the data to me. From
that standpoint, the bendix/king system is the most attractive, but it's
also the most expensive both initially and on-going. The
Echoflight/Orbcom stuff is now available (after how many years of
promises?) and will display on my Garmin, but I'm not that impressed
with the quality of the displayed data or the dollars/update pricing model.
Guess I'll keep hunting.
chris
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Buddy Windham <bw_cycon@yahoo.com>
Purchase of the system is one thing, the cheapest monthly fee is still around $50.00
per month. I agree with you that all promise soon but when will soon come
about? Your point on the cables is so true. My MX20 will take quite a few
of the exising systems, but monthly cost when I don't fly in the winter, hard
to swallow.
Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> wrote:--> Commander-List message posted by:
Chris Schuermann
Buddy Windham wrote:
> I'm playing around with a serial link on my sat phone coupled to a small lap
top.
Thanks for the update Buddy!
Yea, there are a couple of "portable" solutions available which are
somewhat interesting, but frankly, I have enough cables to get tangled
up in already :-) (not to mention that I loath the idea of trusting a
Windows-based system to keep me alive when I need it most). Sadly,
there are a number of start-up companies which have some pretty good
concept stuff out there. Each claims to have an "aviation certified"
product available "real soon". I'm not keen on spending many thousands
of dollars on a device which requires a monthly subscription to work if
I don't have faith that they'll be around to pipe the data to me. From
that standpoint, the bendix/king system is the most attractive, but it's
also the most expensive both initially and on-going. The
Echoflight/Orbcom stuff is now available (after how many years of
promises?) and will display on my Garmin, but I'm not that impressed
with the quality of the displayed data or the dollars/update pricing model.
Guess I'll keep hunting.
chris
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Buddy Windham wrote:
> Purchase of the system is one thing, the cheapest monthly fee is still around
$50.00 per month.
I look at it as just another re-occuring expense - like keeping the
GPS's database up to date or buying maps. It costs money to provide a
service. My main concern is will the "service provider" be around long
enough for me to get good value out of my hardware investment.
Echoflight has a plan which is probably interesting to the "light"
flyer. It's only $9.95/month, but there's an additional $1/update fee.
Garmin, UPS, and King seem to own the majority of the multi-function
display market. If a new <data receiving device> comes on the market,
they need to support at least those three to be viable IMO. Requiring
the end user to have a PC/laptop/PDA/etc just doesn't cut it for any
serious flying.
cs
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
While your in FLA area there might be a 680FL to report on.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite. I flew triple 2 to Mccminville Oregon (home
of
> the Spruce Goose) yesterday to take another look at a derelict 500 parked
> there. Had a great trip. Wonderful weather the last couple of days.
Flew up
> the gorge and around Moultnoma falls. Had my neighbors along.
> Sue has retired from her job (Yea!) Friday was her last day. We
don't
> know what the future holds for us, but we trust God. We will be through
FL
> next week briefly as we board a cruse ship for a week. The president of
the
> Navion Society and his wife will be going as well as another airport
buddy. It
> should really be fun.
> Anybody else flying there Commander?? jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I too would be interested in a weather connection to a pair of Garmin 430's.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> Buddy Windham wrote:
> > The new cnx80 gps and stec 65 autopilot worked great.
>
> You got a CNX80 eh Buddy? I was giving serious consideration to one of
> those for my bird. Looks like quite a cool toy - how do you like it? I
> finally decided to just put a GNS430 in for now since it's unlikely that
> we'll get a WAAS approach into my home airport anytime soon and I have
> grander plans for the future. I'm of the opinion that there will be
> several very wild new products certified and on the market in the near
> future now that Garmin and UPSAT have merged capabilities. I'm hoping
> that the new Garmin 1000 "panel" may turn out to be pretty reasonably
> priced (compared to existing options for a total panel replacement
> anyway). Given the number of GA mfgrs that seem to have signed up to
> offer it (such as a Cessna 182), I think it may not be much more than a
> full panel of traditional instruments/radios.
>
> Hey, does anyone around here currently have any weather uplink/downlink
> stuff in their airplane? I'm definitly going to purchase _something_ to
> get weather onboard in the near future, but I'm still carefully
> evaluating the various technologies and options. I think I've
> researched all of the potentials and have some opinions, but would
> appreciate any feedback from someone who actually has used a system for
> a while in the "real world".
> Anybody have any firsthand experience with the WXWORX system?
>
> Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Retirement introduces the bizarre period in which you wonder how you ever
had time to be employed.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch@intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell"
<baruch@intelligentflight.com>
>
> I have a friend that says every day your retired is a good day!
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > Pretty quite. I flew triple 2 to Mccminville Oregon
(home
> of
> > the Spruce Goose) yesterday to take another look at a derelict 500
parked
> > there. Had a great trip. Wonderful weather the last couple of days.
> Flew up
> > the gorge and around Moultnoma falls. Had my neighbors along.
> > Sue has retired from her job (Yea!) Friday was her last day. We
> don't
> > know what the future holds for us, but we trust God. We will be through
> FL
> > next week briefly as we board a cruse ship for a week. The president of
> the
> > Navion Society and his wife will be going as well as another airport
> buddy. It
> > should really be fun.
> > Anybody else flying there Commander?? jb
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Checklists anyone? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
I am sure most of the veterans on this list are well past checklist and
all. But I'm still just starting out and for me a checklist still
serves a purpose. I have created one for N811D, my 1962 500A Colemill
Twin Commander. I have pulled together information from the 500A flight
manual, the Colemill supplement to the AFM, and advice from several
folks I have flown with or spoken to.
It is available at http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Checklist.html.
Any feedback, corrections, suggestions wil be appreciated. Feel free to
take the doc and modify it to suit your needs.
Thanks in advance,
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Checklists anyone? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
The longer I am in the game (35 yrs.) the MORE I rely on check lists and
they always serve a purpose, that's why they exist.
Don't let familiarity with any aircraft stop the use of check lists....
please.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck"
<akucheck@hotmail.com>
>
> I am sure most of the veterans on this list are well past checklist and
> all. But I'm still just starting out and for me a checklist still
> serves a purpose. I have created one for N811D, my 1962 500A Colemill
> Twin Commander. I have pulled together information from the 500A flight
> manual, the Colemill supplement to the AFM, and advice from several
> folks I have flown with or spoken to.
>
> It is available at http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Checklist.html.
>
> Any feedback, corrections, suggestions wil be appreciated. Feel free to
> take the doc and modify it to suit your needs.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Alan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Checklists anyone? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I am a convert. Never used a checklist. Never wrote a clearance down either.
But I see the dangers in not doing it. Especially now that more brain cells
are on pension than on duty. The little bastards flirt with calcium, I
guess.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> The longer I am in the game (35 yrs.) the MORE I rely on check lists and
> they always serve a purpose, that's why they exist.
> Don't let familiarity with any aircraft stop the use of check lists....
> please.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck"
> <akucheck@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I am sure most of the veterans on this list are well past checklist and
> > all. But I'm still just starting out and for me a checklist still
> > serves a purpose. I have created one for N811D, my 1962 500A Colemill
> > Twin Commander. I have pulled together information from the 500A flight
> > manual, the Colemill supplement to the AFM, and advice from several
> > folks I have flown with or spoken to.
> >
> > It is available at http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Checklist.html.
> >
> > Any feedback, corrections, suggestions wil be appreciated. Feel free to
> > take the doc and modify it to suit your needs.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
>
>
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