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1. 07:02 AM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
2. 09:04 AM - Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
3. 04:34 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (W J R HAMILTON)
4. 05:41 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Bill Bow)
5. 06:53 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Chris Schuermann)
6. 07:29 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (W J R HAMILTON)
7. 08:50 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Tom Fisher)
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| Subject: | Re: ANYBODY OUT THERE?? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Great trip this weekend ..San Luis Obispo to SanDiego (Lindbergh Field...I
love that airport). Spent two days in Mexico visiting our daughter. Son
Todd flew in from Denver to meet us. Gorgeous flight home last
night...twinkling stars, lites of the LA basin. Ain't it great..!!
Randy Dettmer
N6253X/680F
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From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: ANYBODY OUT THERE??
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite. I flew triple 2 to Mccminville Oregon (home
of
> the Spruce Goose) yesterday to take another look at a derelict 500 parked
> there. Had a great trip. Wonderful weather the last couple of days.
Flew up
> the gorge and around Moultnoma falls. Had my neighbors along.
> Sue has retired from her job (Yea!) Friday was her last day. We
don't
> know what the future holds for us, but we trust God. We will be through
FL
> next week briefly as we board a cruse ship for a week. The president of
the
> Navion Society and his wife will be going as well as another airport
buddy. It
> should really be fun.
> Anybody else flying there Commander?? jb
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 10/20/2003 7:02:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer@charter.net writes:
> Ain't it great..!!
AMEN!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: Checklists anyone? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
All,
There is a nice little "official" 500A checklist, I have an original, nice
Rockwell blue cover and all, if anybody wants a copy, I guess I could scan
each page, and send it.
It would be a good start for anybody creating their own version.
Cheers,
Bill BIll Hamilton.
At 23:24 10/19/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>I am a convert. Never used a checklist. Never wrote a clearance down either.
>But I see the dangers in not doing it. Especially now that more brain cells
>are on pension than on duty. The little bastards flirt with calcium, I
>guess.
>Nico
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
><tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > The longer I am in the game (35 yrs.) the MORE I rely on check lists and
> > they always serve a purpose, that's why they exist.
> > Don't let familiarity with any aircraft stop the use of check lists....
> > please.
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck"
> > <akucheck@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > I am sure most of the veterans on this list are well past checklist and
> > > all. But I'm still just starting out and for me a checklist still
> > > serves a purpose. I have created one for N811D, my 1962 500A Colemill
> > > Twin Commander. I have pulled together information from the 500A flight
> > > manual, the Colemill supplement to the AFM, and advice from several
> > > folks I have flown with or spoken to.
> > >
> > > It is available at http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Checklist.html.
> > >
> > > Any feedback, corrections, suggestions wil be appreciated. Feel free to
> > > take the doc and modify it to suit your needs.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Checklists anyone? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
As someone who makes a living from this industry, I would say NEVER stop
using a checklist.
bilbo
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From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
All,
There is a nice little "official" 500A checklist, I have an original, nice
Rockwell blue cover and all, if anybody wants a copy, I guess I could scan
each page, and send it.
It would be a good start for anybody creating their own version.
Cheers,
Bill BIll Hamilton.
At 23:24 10/19/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>I am a convert. Never used a checklist. Never wrote a clearance down
either.
>But I see the dangers in not doing it. Especially now that more brain cells
>are on pension than on duty. The little bastards flirt with calcium, I
>guess.
>Nico
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
><tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > The longer I am in the game (35 yrs.) the MORE I rely on check lists and
> > they always serve a purpose, that's why they exist.
> > Don't let familiarity with any aircraft stop the use of check lists....
> > please.
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck@hotmail.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck"
> > <akucheck@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > I am sure most of the veterans on this list are well past checklist
and
> > > all. But I'm still just starting out and for me a checklist still
> > > serves a purpose. I have created one for N811D, my 1962 500A Colemill
> > > Twin Commander. I have pulled together information from the 500A
flight
> > > manual, the Colemill supplement to the AFM, and advice from several
> > > folks I have flown with or spoken to.
> > >
> > > It is available at http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Checklist.html.
> > >
> > > Any feedback, corrections, suggestions wil be appreciated. Feel free
to
> > > take the doc and modify it to suit your needs.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bill Bow wrote:
> As someone who makes a living from this industry, I would say NEVER stop
> using a checklist.
Amen brother Bow!
Okay, the topic does remind me of something, so I'll share in hopes of
providing some amusement...
A couple years ago, a relative came to town for a visit. Said in-law
had never been in a "little airplane" before and asked if I'd take him
for a ride. Anyway, we went out for a short sight-seeing jaunt around
the countryside, and as always, I tried to be as professional as
possible and tried to give a smooth, stress-free, enjoyable ride to this
newbie. Although I tried to inject a little conversation about the
scenery and explain some of the stuff about the airplane, I noticed that
my passenger remained mostly silent during the flight.
When we got back to the house, his wife asked him if he enjoyed the
ride. He just mumbled that it was "nice". After I left the room, he
explained further (my wife was also there) that he was pretty
uncomfortable that I was having to read the instructions all of the time
and thought that it would be better once I'd learned how to fly. My
wife literally fell off her chair laughing and eventually managed to
regain enough composure to explain the concept of checklists to the poor
fellow.....
Chris
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--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Chris and all,
This reminds me of many years ago, before there were virtually standard
rank insignia on civil uniforms, 4 bars for Captains etc.
British United Airlines ( now long gone) was a consolidation of a number of
smaller carriers, largely put together by the rightly famous/infamous
Freddy Laker, and based at Southend in UK.
Some bright spark decided to "rationalised" rankings.
Captains of "big" aeroplanes would carry 4 bars on their uniform, smaller
aircraft Captains 3 bars, and cross channel car freighters, the old Bristol
"Frightener" only 2 bars. First Officers would in each case wear 1 or 2 bars.
There was an alarming drop off in traffic, to the very great benefit of the
competition.
In an early example of a "public relations" survey, it was determined that
customers were reluctant to fly BUA cross channel services, because "their
pilots were not as experienced" as the competition.
So now everybody from the Seneca "Captain" up seems to wear 4 bars.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
PS After 40 years/25,000 or so hours, I need checklists. Beware the truism
"familiarity breeds contempt. You are only as good as your last sector. No
pilot who rigidly adheres to proper checklists and a proper checklist
attitude will land gear up, or take off with the fuel off.
Down here we had a most amazing accident a while ago. A hot house cadet
pilot graduate had an engine failure, it was quite recoverable by
switching on an electric boost pump. The pump was never turned on.
In the interviews the pilot described how she had been taught to "touch"
the various controls in a simulated emergency, and that is what she did,
"touch" them, and no more. Fortunately, there was no loss of life or
serious injuries, but what does this say about training ??
WH.
At 21:03 10/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
>Bill Bow wrote:
> > As someone who makes a living from this industry, I would say NEVER stop
> > using a checklist.
>
>Amen brother Bow!
>
>Okay, the topic does remind me of something, so I'll share in hopes of
>providing some amusement...
>
>A couple years ago, a relative came to town for a visit. Said in-law
>had never been in a "little airplane" before and asked if I'd take him
>for a ride. Anyway, we went out for a short sight-seeing jaunt around
>the countryside, and as always, I tried to be as professional as
>possible and tried to give a smooth, stress-free, enjoyable ride to this
>newbie. Although I tried to inject a little conversation about the
>scenery and explain some of the stuff about the airplane, I noticed that
>my passenger remained mostly silent during the flight.
>When we got back to the house, his wife asked him if he enjoyed the
>ride. He just mumbled that it was "nice". After I left the room, he
>explained further (my wife was also there) that he was pretty
>uncomfortable that I was having to read the instructions all of the time
>and thought that it would be better once I'd learned how to fly. My
>wife literally fell off her chair laughing and eventually managed to
>regain enough composure to explain the concept of checklists to the poor
>fellow.....
>
>
>Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Checklists anyone? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I have another two cents to add.
In Canada, if you go on a Transport Canada IFR check ride you better make
sure that your "personalized checklist" has everything on it and in the
order it is in the approved flight manual or your ride will never get to the
take-off stage.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Chris and all,
> This reminds me of many years ago, before there were virtually standard
> rank insignia on civil uniforms, 4 bars for Captains etc.
> British United Airlines ( now long gone) was a consolidation of a number
of
> smaller carriers, largely put together by the rightly famous/infamous
> Freddy Laker, and based at Southend in UK.
>
> Some bright spark decided to "rationalised" rankings.
>
> Captains of "big" aeroplanes would carry 4 bars on their uniform, smaller
> aircraft Captains 3 bars, and cross channel car freighters, the old
Bristol
> "Frightener" only 2 bars. First Officers would in each case wear 1 or 2
bars.
>
> There was an alarming drop off in traffic, to the very great benefit of
the
> competition.
>
> In an early example of a "public relations" survey, it was determined that
> customers were reluctant to fly BUA cross channel services, because "their
> pilots were not as experienced" as the competition.
>
> So now everybody from the Seneca "Captain" up seems to wear 4 bars.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
> PS After 40 years/25,000 or so hours, I need checklists. Beware the truism
> "familiarity breeds contempt. You are only as good as your last sector. No
> pilot who rigidly adheres to proper checklists and a proper checklist
> attitude will land gear up, or take off with the fuel off.
>
> Down here we had a most amazing accident a while ago. A hot house cadet
> pilot graduate had an engine failure, it was quite recoverable by
> switching on an electric boost pump. The pump was never turned on.
> In the interviews the pilot described how she had been taught to "touch"
> the various controls in a simulated emergency, and that is what she did,
> "touch" them, and no more. Fortunately, there was no loss of life or
> serious injuries, but what does this say about training ??
>
> WH.
>
>
> At 21:03 10/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
> >
> >
> >Bill Bow wrote:
> > > As someone who makes a living from this industry, I would say NEVER
stop
> > > using a checklist.
> >
> >Amen brother Bow!
> >
> >Okay, the topic does remind me of something, so I'll share in hopes of
> >providing some amusement...
> >
> >A couple years ago, a relative came to town for a visit. Said in-law
> >had never been in a "little airplane" before and asked if I'd take him
> >for a ride. Anyway, we went out for a short sight-seeing jaunt around
> >the countryside, and as always, I tried to be as professional as
> >possible and tried to give a smooth, stress-free, enjoyable ride to this
> >newbie. Although I tried to inject a little conversation about the
> >scenery and explain some of the stuff about the airplane, I noticed that
> >my passenger remained mostly silent during the flight.
> >When we got back to the house, his wife asked him if he enjoyed the
> >ride. He just mumbled that it was "nice". After I left the room, he
> >explained further (my wife was also there) that he was pretty
> >uncomfortable that I was having to read the instructions all of the time
> >and thought that it would be better once I'd learned how to fly. My
> >wife literally fell off her chair laughing and eventually managed to
> >regain enough composure to explain the concept of checklists to the poor
> >fellow.....
> >
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >
>
>
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> three months, the date will be notified.
>
>
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