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1. 11:57 AM - Re: Checklists anyone? (css nico)
2. 12:05 PM - Re: Maputo (css nico)
3. 12:07 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Robert Sather)
4. 12:52 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (css nico)
5. 01:51 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Robert Sather)
6. 04:03 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Ricardo A. Otaola)
7. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Maputo (W J R HAMILTON)
8. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Maputo (css nico)
9. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Maputo (Bill Bow)
10. 06:58 PM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Bill Bow)
11. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Maputo (Andrew & Bridget Watson)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been practicing
their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good to heed
their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the story.
Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if the pros
proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles, but they
preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and blast
off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel from left
to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain within
the reality realm.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have to be
> > conducted from memory
>
> How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry or
write
> about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable written
> checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential to
safety.
> Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not currently
found on
> the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd pump
after TO
> or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start. These
items
> are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in the
real
> world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly airplanes
that are
> to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is not one
of
> them. Just my thoughts. jb
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Well as they say in the classics, don't hold your breath. Africa is not much better
today, Bill, they are trying to practice western standards in business, but
as long as they believe that the rest of the world owes them a living, they
will take and take and take attributing their misguided approach as their right
to justice.
It's a miracle that your planes stayed aloft to get the job done. I once waited
at Maputo for taxi clearance and a 737 taxied past (Moz air, of course) with
a piece of rubber flapping off one of the wheels of the main undercarriage. I
called the tower to let the pilot know about the situation but the pilot reported
that he knew about the tread coming off the one wheel and that it's still
OK. He took off with pieces of rubber flying in all directions. Glad I sat in
my 500 and not in that ship.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: css nico
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: Maputo
I spent 30 days flying for Caladonian Airlines Inc. of Beruit, under contract
to Air Tanzania. We were hired to start service from Dar es Salem to London
in a Boeing 720. Instead we were flying troops, who had been in Rodesia, from
Biera to Maputo. I'm still waiting for my paycheck from that "job"
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: css nico
To: Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Maputo
Yeah, huge prawns and Portuguese beer, I think it was Cocos or something. Someone
remembers? We started flying in supplies to Inhaca soon after 1980.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: nico@cybersuperstore.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: Maputo
Nico,
I hadn't heard/seen that name in more than twenty years. I spent Christmas
1980 in Maputo. It was certainly a Christmas to remember.
Bilbo
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
The point being?????
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been practicing
> their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good to
heed
> their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the story.
> Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if the
pros
> proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles, but
they
> preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and blast
> off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel from
left
> to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain
within
> the reality realm.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> >
> > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have to be
> > > conducted from memory
> >
> > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry or
> write
> > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable
written
> > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential to
> safety.
> > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not currently
> found on
> > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd pump
> after TO
> > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start. These
> items
> > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in the
> real
> > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly airplanes
> that are
> > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is not one
> of
> > them. Just my thoughts. jb
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Oh, we are just talking about the practice of checklists versus memorized
drills. Some folks adhere more rigorously to checklists than others. I was a
total non-checklist pilot but has since converted, but the extent to which
one ought to follow a checklist is the question. Obviously checklists are
good verifiers, but the pilot should be able to complete all phases of the
flight from memory.
Otherwise, sorry, there's no point.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
>
>
> The point being?????
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been
practicing
> > their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good to
> heed
> > their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the story.
> > Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if the
> pros
> > proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles, but
> they
> > preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and
blast
> > off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel from
> left
> > to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain
> within
> > the reality realm.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > >
> > > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have to be
> > > > conducted from memory
> > >
> > > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry or
> > write
> > > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable
> written
> > > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential to
> > safety.
> > > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not
currently
> > found on
> > > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd pump
> > after TO
> > > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start. These
> > items
> > > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in the
> > real
> > > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly airplanes
> > that are
> > > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is not
one
> > of
> > > them. Just my thoughts. jb
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
I agree. I just got lost in the communication. Seems like more that a few
items and I forget. So I need a check list on everything I do anymore.
bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Oh, we are just talking about the practice of checklists versus memorized
> drills. Some folks adhere more rigorously to checklists than others. I was
a
> total non-checklist pilot but has since converted, but the extent to which
> one ought to follow a checklist is the question. Obviously checklists are
> good verifiers, but the pilot should be able to complete all phases of the
> flight from memory.
> Otherwise, sorry, there's no point.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Sather"
<sather@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > The point being?????
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been
> practicing
> > > their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good
to
> > heed
> > > their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the story.
> > > Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if the
> > pros
> > > proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles,
but
> > they
> > > preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and
> blast
> > > off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel
from
> > left
> > > to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain
> > within
> > > the reality realm.
> > > Thanks
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have to
be
> > > > > conducted from memory
> > > >
> > > > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry
or
> > > write
> > > > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable
> > written
> > > > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential to
> > > safety.
> > > > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not
> currently
> > > found on
> > > > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd
pump
> > > after TO
> > > > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start.
These
> > > items
> > > > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in
the
> > > real
> > > > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly
airplanes
> > > that are
> > > > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is not
> one
> > > of
> > > > them. Just my thoughts. jb
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca@telcel.net.ve>
My penny's worth of advice:
My instructor once asked me how many times I would go to the bathroom to
take a leak a day? Well, I said anything between 5-10 times a day depending
on the drinking. Then he says, That means you would do this at least 5 times
a day per thrity days that would mean about 150. Of those times ,how many
times have you forgotten to "Zip Up". ???
Think about it and read your checklist!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Oh, we are just talking about the practice of checklists versus memorized
> drills. Some folks adhere more rigorously to checklists than others. I was
a
> total non-checklist pilot but has since converted, but the extent to which
> one ought to follow a checklist is the question. Obviously checklists are
> good verifiers, but the pilot should be able to complete all phases of the
> flight from memory.
> Otherwise, sorry, there's no point.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Sather"
<sather@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > The point being?????
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been
> practicing
> > > their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good
to
> > heed
> > > their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the story.
> > > Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if the
> > pros
> > > proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles,
but
> > they
> > > preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and
> blast
> > > off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel
from
> > left
> > > to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain
> > within
> > > the reality realm.
> > > Thanks
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have to
be
> > > > > conducted from memory
> > > >
> > > > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry
or
> > > write
> > > > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable
> > written
> > > > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential to
> > > safety.
> > > > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not
> currently
> > > found on
> > > > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd
pump
> > > after TO
> > > > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start.
These
> > > items
> > > > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in
the
> > > real
> > > > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly
airplanes
> > > that are
> > > > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is not
> one
> > > of
> > > > them. Just my thoughts. jb
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
All,
Having operated a leased B707-338C, ex Qantas, for DETA out of Maputo, many
years ago, sounds like the only thing that has changed is that it has got
worse. At least we controlled our own maintenance. No problems with ATC,
there wasn't any. I remember doing a route qual. on a chap who hadn't
looked too closely at the charts, wanted to know where the VOR/DME
frequencies were shown. The answer, "What VOR/DME , and by the way, the NDB
is usually off, and don't ask about NOTAMs, there aren't any" elicited a
rather funny reaction. Having top look out the window in anything bigger
than a C-172 was obviously a new and unwelcome experience.
Re the ATC,you'r not going to have a mid air with yourself, and the only
other traffic in those days were the local eagles and the occasional high
flying scrub turkey, and you should see what they do to a JT3B-3D.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 12:11 10/22/03 -0700, css nico wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>Well as they say in the classics, don't hold your breath. Africa is not
>much better today, Bill, they are trying to practice western standards in
>business, but as long as they believe that the rest of the world owes them
>a living, they will take and take and take attributing their misguided
>approach as their right to justice.
>It's a miracle that your planes stayed aloft to get the job done. I once
>waited at Maputo for taxi clearance and a 737 taxied past (Moz air, of
>course) with a piece of rubber flapping off one of the wheels of the main
>undercarriage. I called the tower to let the pilot know about the
>situation but the pilot reported that he knew about the tread coming off
>the one wheel and that it's still OK. He took off with pieces of rubber
>flying in all directions. Glad I sat in my 500 and not in that ship.
>Thanks
>Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Bow
> To: css nico
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Maputo
>
>
> I spent 30 days flying for Caladonian Airlines Inc. of Beruit, under
> contract to Air Tanzania. We were hired to start service from Dar es
> Salem to London in a Boeing 720. Instead we were flying troops, who had
> been in Rodesia, from Biera to Maputo. I'm still waiting for my paycheck
> from that "job"
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: css nico
> To: Bill Bow
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Maputo
>
>
> Yeah, huge prawns and Portuguese beer, I think it was Cocos or
> something. Someone remembers? We started flying in supplies to Inhaca
> soon after 1980.
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Bow
> To: nico@cybersuperstore.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:02 PM
> Subject: Maputo
>
>
> Nico,
>
> I hadn't heard/seen that name in more than twenty years. I spent
> Christmas 1980 in Maputo. It was certainly a Christmas to remember.
>
> Bilbo
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Man, does this bring back memories. No wonder folks who have never flown
there think we are a danger to aviation. But in all fairness, folks, as Bill
said, there is no other traffic in the sky. I used to have a construction
company and I commuted to Botswana from Lanseria in my Seneca II. After
reaching TOC, I would set my alarm, the autopilot, my pillow and doze off
for the 55 minute flight and wake up promptly at TOD.
There was (is?) just nobody else in the sky. Here, especially in So CA, the
pilot and pax look like cranes as they wring their necks around to look
everywhere - and actually see stuff with wings. I remember the ATC at
Wonderboom (near Pretoria) one day clearing the cricuit because Hugh Stocks
flew in with his Lear. The only one in the county at the time, I believe.
Poor Dirk Munnik, he was just not going to have a Cherokee closer than 20
miles to that Lear on his watch.
Anyway.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Maputo
> --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
> All,
> Having operated a leased B707-338C, ex Qantas, for DETA out of Maputo,
many
> years ago, sounds like the only thing that has changed is that it has got
> worse. At least we controlled our own maintenance. No problems with ATC,
> there wasn't any. I remember doing a route qual. on a chap who hadn't
> looked too closely at the charts, wanted to know where the VOR/DME
> frequencies were shown. The answer, "What VOR/DME , and by the way, the
NDB
> is usually off, and don't ask about NOTAMs, there aren't any" elicited a
> rather funny reaction. Having top look out the window in anything bigger
> than a C-172 was obviously a new and unwelcome experience.
> Re the ATC,you'r not going to have a mid air with yourself, and the only
> other traffic in those days were the local eagles and the occasional high
> flying scrub turkey, and you should see what they do to a JT3B-3D.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 12:11 10/22/03 -0700, css nico wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> >Well as they say in the classics, don't hold your breath. Africa is not
> >much better today, Bill, they are trying to practice western standards in
> >business, but as long as they believe that the rest of the world owes
them
> >a living, they will take and take and take attributing their misguided
> >approach as their right to justice.
> >It's a miracle that your planes stayed aloft to get the job done. I once
> >waited at Maputo for taxi clearance and a 737 taxied past (Moz air, of
> >course) with a piece of rubber flapping off one of the wheels of the main
> >undercarriage. I called the tower to let the pilot know about the
> >situation but the pilot reported that he knew about the tread coming off
> >the one wheel and that it's still OK. He took off with pieces of rubber
> >flying in all directions. Glad I sat in my 500 and not in that ship.
> >Thanks
> >Nico
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Bow
> > To: css nico
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Maputo
> >
> >
> > I spent 30 days flying for Caladonian Airlines Inc. of Beruit, under
> > contract to Air Tanzania. We were hired to start service from Dar es
> > Salem to London in a Boeing 720. Instead we were flying troops, who had
> > been in Rodesia, from Biera to Maputo. I'm still waiting for my
paycheck
> > from that "job"
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: css nico
> > To: Bill Bow
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: Maputo
> >
> >
> > Yeah, huge prawns and Portuguese beer, I think it was Cocos or
> > something. Someone remembers? We started flying in supplies to Inhaca
> > soon after 1980.
> > Nico
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Bow
> > To: nico@cybersuperstore.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:02 PM
> > Subject: Maputo
> >
> >
> > Nico,
> >
> > I hadn't heard/seen that name in more than twenty years. I spent
> > Christmas 1980 in Maputo. It was certainly a Christmas to remember.
> >
> > Bilbo
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
We had a piece of a laminated panel on the wing come off. It was about 3
feet by 8 feet. I said something about they should be able to get it from
South African Airways and was shocked at their response. I wasn't very
aware of the politics involved of the day.
I can still remember Christmas dinner at the hotel. I opened the menu.
There was fish on one side of the menu and pork on the other. I didn't want
something looking back at me(the fish) so I ordered the pork. "Oh I'm sorry
sir we are out of the pork" the waiter said. That only left the fish. I'm
still confused why he gave us the menu. We had no choice.
Jambo Bwana,
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Maputo
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Well as they say in the classics, don't hold your breath. Africa is not
much better today, Bill, they are trying to practice western standards in
business, but as long as they believe that the rest of the world owes them a
living, they will take and take and take attributing their misguided
approach as their right to justice.
> It's a miracle that your planes stayed aloft to get the job done. I once
waited at Maputo for taxi clearance and a 737 taxied past (Moz air, of
course) with a piece of rubber flapping off one of the wheels of the main
undercarriage. I called the tower to let the pilot know about the situation
but the pilot reported that he knew about the tread coming off the one wheel
and that it's still OK. He took off with pieces of rubber flying in all
directions. Glad I sat in my 500 and not in that ship.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Bow
> To: css nico
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Maputo
>
>
> I spent 30 days flying for Caladonian Airlines Inc. of Beruit, under
contract to Air Tanzania. We were hired to start service from Dar es Salem
to London in a Boeing 720. Instead we were flying troops, who had been in
Rodesia, from Biera to Maputo. I'm still waiting for my paycheck from that
"job"
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: css nico
> To: Bill Bow
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Maputo
>
>
> Yeah, huge prawns and Portuguese beer, I think it was Cocos or
something. Someone remembers? We started flying in supplies to Inhaca soon
after 1980.
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Bow
> To: nico@cybersuperstore.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:02 PM
> Subject: Maputo
>
>
> Nico,
>
> I hadn't heard/seen that name in more than twenty years. I spent
Christmas 1980 in Maputo. It was certainly a Christmas to remember.
>
> Bilbo
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I think what people are missing in this thread is, priorities. Be it a
three man crew or solo. For emergencies there are "memory items" and then
there are checklist items. Memory item are the ones that can kill right
away. Check list items may kill you later. It isn't one or the other, but
a combination that has proven to be the most effective. Memory items when
the engine fails(throttle, prop, mixture). All the rest can probably wait
until later.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Oh, we are just talking about the practice of checklists versus memorized
> drills. Some folks adhere more rigorously to checklists than others. I was
a
> total non-checklist pilot but has since converted, but the extent to which
> one ought to follow a checklist is the question. Obviously checklists are
> good verifiers, but the pilot should be able to complete all phases of the
> flight from memory.
> Otherwise, sorry, there's no point.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Sather" <sather@charter.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Sather"
<sather@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > The point being?????
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been
> practicing
> > > their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good
to
> > heed
> > > their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the story.
> > > Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if the
> > pros
> > > proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles,
but
> > they
> > > preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and
> blast
> > > off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel
from
> > left
> > > to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain
> > within
> > > the reality realm.
> > > Thanks
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have to
be
> > > > > conducted from memory
> > > >
> > > > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry
or
> > > write
> > > > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable
> > written
> > > > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential to
> > > safety.
> > > > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not
> currently
> > > found on
> > > > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd
pump
> > > after TO
> > > > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start.
These
> > > items
> > > > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in
the
> > > real
> > > > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly
airplanes
> > > that are
> > > > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is not
> one
> > > of
> > > > them. Just my thoughts. jb
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget@shaw.ca>
> Jambo Bwana,
For that part of the world (Southern Africa) I believe the correct closing
greeting would be "Shala gahle, Nkosi" (literally "stay well, King"). "Jambo
Bwana" is a Swahili greeting.
:-)
God bless,
Andrew.
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