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1. 01:22 PM - PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
2. 03:02 PM - Autopilot (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
3. 07:02 PM - Re: Autopilot (CloudCraft@aol.com)
4. 07:09 PM - Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE (CloudCraft@aol.com)
5. 08:09 PM - Re: Autopilot (Jim Addington)
6. 09:18 PM - Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
HI KIDS..
Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for the
holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air. I have bought a
couple of "0" engines. I am looking them over to make certain they are in
good shape after sitting for years. I think they will be just fine. I am
detailing them now.
I have been delivering a bunch of airplanes, but no Commanders :-( The
last two have been the new American Aviation Scout. Great little airplane!! I
have a UPF-7 Waco to deliver if it makes it out of annual. Then a 680 to
Canada. Hope all is well in your Commanderland!! jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Commander drivers,
I need advice.
My M4 autopilot has pretty much died recently after having minor "band aid"
repairs done which has kept it somewhat operating for the last few hundred
hours. Should I have it completely rebuilt or should I wait for S-TEC ?
Obviously the autopilot is pretty important to me as all of my flying is single
pilot
and most of it is in very crowded conditions (Los Angeles Basin based).
Within reason, at this time I am more concerned with a good autopilot with
dependability and longevity than the initial price.
Below are some numbered questions which I would greatly appreciate anyone
with experience answering.
1. How many flight hours can a primary servo be expected to live after a good
competent rebuild?
2. How many flight hours can a trim servo be expected to live after a good
competent rebuild?
3. How many flight hours can a flight computer be expected to live after a
good competent rebuild?
4. How many flight hours can an altitude control can be expected to live
after a good competent rebuild?
5. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to rebuild the
individual components of this system?
6. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to overhaul the
entire system on the plane....in less than a month?
Thanks,
Moe Mills
N680RR
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--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
Moe,
I cannot answer your question(s) as to MTBF on overhauled autopilot
components -- especially on a system of the M4 vintage.
Autopilot Central in Tulsa, OK, was the last place I took an M4 system and
they were willing and able to test and repair the computer boards down to an
individual capacitor or resistor rather than swap out entire boards.
One thing that Bob Ferguson pointed out to me re: autopilot longevity was
that "everyone has a maintenance program for the airframe and engines but nobody
has scheduled maintenance for autopilots and servos."
Good point ....
Give them a call and see if you can get a handle on their inventory of spares
for the M4 and if there's any technicians left who are old enough to
understand the system. I think they'll be honest with you if it's time to gut
your
FP and go with an STEC.
Autopilot Central
3112 N. 74th East Avenue
Tulsa OK 74115
tel 918-836-6418
fax 918-835-3534
attn: Barry Sparks or Robert Ferguson
Good luck.
I agree with you, by the way. Given your operating environment, a
functioning a/p is a must.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 12/18/03 13:23:15 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com
writes:
Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for the
holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air.
Capt. JimBob,
That's great news about 3 Twos. Where did you dig up a pair of engines?
As for me, I'm too busy with the biz jet thing. Just in from 6 back-to-back
days and launching on Friday for 9 days. Not all of it will be flying ... a
bit of sitting on my tail in New York but a nice variety of places like
Durango, CO; Truckee, CA; Redding, CA; some upstate NY and the Big City as I said.
As always, I will be listening for Commanders on the ATC frequencies. It
always makes me pleased to hear you guys in the air.
Happy Holidays to all, (Even to our Mates in Oz who have Christmas in the
middle of summer, of all things)
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Moe,
I can't speak for S-TEC now but they used my plane for the STC for
Commanders. This was in 1988 and I have not had any problems with it that
was not my error. I wish every thing else on the plane was that good. If you
have any questions I would be glad to answer them. I have a 500-A and had
them put in the S-TEC 65 with FD and all the bells except yaw damper which
we did not think was necessary. I really do like it.
jtaddington@charter.net
Jim Addington
N444BD
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Subject: Commander-List: Autopilot
--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Commander drivers,
I need advice.
My M4 autopilot has pretty much died recently after having minor "band aid"
repairs done which has kept it somewhat operating for the last few hundred
hours. Should I have it completely rebuilt or should I wait for S-TEC ?
Obviously the autopilot is pretty important to me as all of my flying is
single pilot
and most of it is in very crowded conditions (Los Angeles Basin based).
Within reason, at this time I am more concerned with a good autopilot with
dependability and longevity than the initial price.
Below are some numbered questions which I would greatly appreciate anyone
with experience answering.
1. How many flight hours can a primary servo be expected to live after a
good
competent rebuild?
2. How many flight hours can a trim servo be expected to live after a good
competent rebuild?
3. How many flight hours can a flight computer be expected to live after a
good competent rebuild?
4. How many flight hours can an altitude control can be expected to live
after a good competent rebuild?
5. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to rebuild the
individual components of this system?
6. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to overhaul the
entire system on the plane....in less than a month?
Thanks,
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| Subject: | Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 12/18/2003 7:10:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft@aol.com writes:
Where did you dig up a pair of engines?
Great to hear from you WCG. Believe it or don't, they were only 100 miles
from here. Overhauled a long time ago (Back when there were lots of new parts
lying about), but properly stored. I will remove the cyls to check for any
signs of deterioration from age, install all new overhead gaskets and do some
detailing to improve the cosmetics to look like the engines done now (Gold cad
plating etc.). It is still a big job, but oh well. I also plan to instal new
oil cells, and new brake disc and linings and............... You get the idea!!
Hope you have a great Christmas!! jb
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