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1. 06:20 AM - Sir Barry (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
2. 07:47 AM - Re: Sir Barry (css nico)
3. 08:17 AM - North Atlantic Crossing Trip In Your Commander Summer 2004 (ProgSearch@aol.com)
4. 08:19 AM - Re: A Few Commanders in Mexico (CloudCraft@aol.com)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Sir Barry (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 09:08 AM - TRIP TO EUROPE (MOEMILLS@aol.com)
7. 06:59 PM - Re: Sir Barry (W J R HAMILTON)
8. 11:49 PM - Re: Sir Barry (Bill Bow)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great good
fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us to
lunch at a local English Pub.
Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should
be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the
Commanders and their history.
Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
Best wishes,
Moe and Linn
N680RR
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Great people, those Britons, huh?
We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over in
London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse, White
something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS@aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
>
> Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
>
> My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great
good
> fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us
to
> lunch at a local English Pub.
>
> Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members
should
> be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with
the
> Commanders and their history.
>
> Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Moe and Linn
> N680RR
>
>
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| Subject: | North Atlantic Crossing Trip In Your Commander Summer |
2004
--> Commander-List message posted by: ProgSearch@aol.com
Hello Twin Commander Flight Group Members and list subscribers!
For those of you who attended the 2003 TCFG fly-in at Wright Brothers Airport
this summer you will know what I am talking about. For those who didn't a
quick recap.
I am an aircraft delivery pilot and have flown Twin Commanders across the
North Atlantic. During the fly-in at KMGY I made a presentation on crossing the
North Atlantic in a Shrike Commander.
My friend Ed Carlson who has crossed the North Atlantic 269 times and I are
putting together a guided tour across the North Atlantic during the summer of
2004 for Twin Commander aircraft owners. Several of you expressed interest in
participating during the fly-in. So now is the time for you to express your
interest again and let us know where the final European destination should be.
Do
you want to go to Scotland and see the lochness monster or will it be all the
way to London to visit Sir Barry and the Farnborough air show, or would you
prefer to cross the English Channel and storm the beaches of Normandy?
Our goal is to have ten Twin Commanders make the crossing together. More than
ten would be a logistical nightmare. We will be flying the North Route which
consists of flying into the Northeast territory of Canada now know as Nunavik,
Baffin Island, onto the west coast of Greenland to the town of Sondre
Stromfjord a former US Air Force Base where we'll drink Greenland Coffee, eat dried
fish, and reindeer steak, over the frozen polar icecap past the lost squadron's
resting place to the East coast of Greenland to the town of Kulusuk, which
has a 3900 foot hard packed gravel runway, to Reykjavik, Iceland for a bath at
the famous volcanic thermal spring The Blue Lagoon. From Reykjavik we'll set
out over Iceland to do a fly by of Iceland's most active volcano and make our
way down to the Northern tip of Scotland to the Isle of Lewis. From this point
on we can anywhere in Europe, it is really up to you as a group or individual.
The following is a rough schedule.
Deposit Due mid to late April
Mandatory North Atlantic Crossing Safety Course taught by Ed Carlson (269
North Atlantic Crossings, Sporty's Pilot Shop has his video and workbook on
Crossing the North Atlantic) in May at Commander Aero in Dayton, Ohio. You'll also
hear from Doctor Jeff Justice of Memphis, Tennessee. He'll speak about his
accident in 1986 on the Polar Icecap of Greenland in his Twin Comanche. He and
his wife both survived the crash.
If a number of West Coast participants sign up to go we'll conduct a second
training course on the West coast for you guys. You'll learn the do's and
don'ts of crossing the North Atlantic in a GA aircraft. Navigation, Communication,
Ditching procedures, and survival. Your insurance carrier will not provide you
with the necessary hull, liability, and SAR insurance without completing this
course.
While attending the training course it would be a good time for Gary Kromer's
crew to give your aircraft a pre-crossing inspection. If you don't bring your
aircraft to Dayton, we'll provide you with the recommended inspection and you
will have to have it performed at a facility of your choice.
The month of June will be devoted to processing paperwork, obtaining the
necessary insurance, shipping survival gear to you, and reviewing crossing safety
information, and weather tutorials.
Approximately, the second week in July we'll all meet in Maine for a pre
launch meeting, aircraft and equipment inspection, dinner, a guest speaker who
has
flown the North Atlantic more than 570 times will provide you with more
insight on crossing, and a good nights rest before we leave.
For planning purposes you should allow two to three weeks to complete the
trip to Europe and back. I have made it round trip in four days, but that was on
an aircraft with three pilots and actual flight time of 14 to 20 hours per day
and near perfect weather.
It is difficult to give you a hard number on the costs because a few things
are variable. The biggest is the weather and bad weather can add days to a trip
which means more hotel cost and food cost. I can tell you that avgas exceeds
$7 per gallon in Greenland and in some places we must stop in Canada. If we
have to fly in Greenland after 5PM or on Sunday we will have to pay $800 more
for keeping the airport open after hours or for opening on Sunday. All that
being said you should plan on the entire event costing you around $23,000 to
$25,000 per aircraft.
All the logistics involved from training, hotel accommodations, customs and
general declaration forms, handling fees, parking fees, negotiated fuel prices,
ground transportation, sightseeing, safety and survival gear, charts and
approach plates, weather briefing, flight planning and filing, will be handled
by
us. You will need to fly the airplane and enjoy the trip.
In addition, an experienced Commander mechanic and rated pilot who has flown
the North Atlantic will be joining us should your aircraft need assistance
during the trip. We will also carry a small inventory of common spare parts. And
much much more.
We will be filming a documentary of crossing the North Atlantic during the
trip, naturally each participant will receive a copy.
So, thanks for your indulgence and if you are interested please send me an
email or you can call me to discuss the trip in greater detail at 859-689-9046.
I need to have a rough aircraft and head count by the end of February to
negotiate fuel, handling fees, parking fees, and hotel prices.
Thank You,
Kevin Coons and Ed Carlson
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| Subject: | Re: A Few Commanders in Mexico |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 01/15/04 23:53:58 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG@aol.com
writes:
I too saw the 690B when I was ferrying the 560F to Panama. Really
sad to see her rotting away. The shop guy told me in broken English that it
could be bought but had no idea what the price might be. Thanks for the
commander spotting!! jb
Cap't JimBob,
I thought it might be on the market if someone wanted to pursue a project
airplane.
Since it's hangared at Aerotron, I'm sure they could put anyone that was
interested in touch with the owner.
While the plane is accumulating a bit of bird dung -- and who knows what the
status of the spar is -- it's not so far gone as to be written off yet.
http://www.aerotron.com.mx/
Hangar # 1, Aeropuerto Internacional G.D.O.
Puerto Vallarta Jalisco, M=E9xico
Zip Code: 48311
Tel: 52 (322) 221 19 21 Fax: 52 (322) 221 17 93
aerotroninfo@aerotron.com.mx
Somebody with too much time and money and love for Commanders should go
retrieve this one!
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/2004 6:21:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS@aol.com writes:
Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should
be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the
Commanders and their history.
AMEN!! AMEN!! Thank you Barry for all you do for all of us in
"Commanderland"!! jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
Dear Kevin and Ed,
I am very interested in making the trip with the group, however, what is the
longest leg of the flight. Two IGSO540B1A engines are pretty thirsty, and my
fuel capacity is only 223 gals.
Please advise.
Best regards,
Moe Mills
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--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
All,
Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy.
To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because they
have Lucas refrigerators".
Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system will
know what I mean.
Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true, that's
the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther p---
that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste cold.
An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10 return,
go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had been
to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding pattern
alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I was
working for BMA.
For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near
Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the road
to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>Great people, those Britons, huh?
>We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over in
>London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse, White
>something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
>Nico
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <MOEMILLS@aol.com>
>To: <COMMANDER-LIST@matronics.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
> >
> > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
> >
> > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great
>good
> > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us
>to
> > lunch at a local English Pub.
> >
> > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members
>should
> > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with
>the
> > Commanders and their history.
> >
> > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Moe and Linn
> > N680RR
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
re: Lucas refrigerators/AKA Lucas Electric
I have been told that Lucas is "The Prince of Darkness"
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON
<wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
>
> All,
> Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy.
>
> To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because they
> have Lucas refrigerators".
> Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system
will
> know what I mean.
>
> Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true, that's
> the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther p---
> that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste cold.
>
> An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10
return,
> go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had been
> to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding pattern
> alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I was
> working for BMA.
>
> For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near
> Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the
road
> to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> >Great people, those Britons, huh?
> >We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over
in
> >London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse,
White
> >something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
> >Nico
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <MOEMILLS@aol.com>
> >To: <COMMANDER-LIST@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: MOEMILLS@aol.com
> > >
> > > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
> > >
> > > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the
great
> >good
> > > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated
us
> >to
> > > lunch at a local English Pub.
> > >
> > > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members
> >should
> > > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up
with
> >the
> > > Commanders and their history.
> > >
> > > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Moe and Linn
> > > N680RR
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton,
> Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
> <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
> <fighterf@ozemail.com.au> will remain valid for about three months.
> All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
> three months, the date will be notified.
>
>
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